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More pressure full court?

DSouthr

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Just looking to get some discussion going, yeah, I am kinda bored! LOL

I think back to a couple of teams Roy had for us and it seems we did a lot more full court pressure than we do as of late. Specifically thinking back to the Brandan Wright team where as I recall we used our depth to put a ton of pressure all over the court and it wore a lot of teams down.

Now we did see more standard type of lineups then, more big men, we seer a lot of 3 guard line ups now day and we still prefer to play with a more traditional 4 and a longer 3. But I do think this team has 2-3 wings that could do a very good job with their length and wing spans and yet still have the quickness to handle the smaller ball handlers. I do think, especially at this point in the season that both 7th and Nate could give Joel more of a rest, earlier 7th was not able to but he has been playing well of late. Clearly we have the 2 guard depth to be able to roll fresh combinations out and very few teams can match our depth so I would think we could get in to teams legs so we can have them tired to end halves, maybe go on those classic UNC late half runs we used to get so often.

To me there are a couple real advantages, already spoke to the tired legs advantage but it tires big men out and tired big men tend to reach, when they reach they foul, getting the opponents in to foul trouble is a big time advantage. Next, it speeds the opponents up, most teams want to control tempo against us, it is a lot harder to do if they have to work hard to get the ball pass the mid court stripe. Clearly at some point they mentally wear down and are more likely to commit a TO, allow a steal, those things that get us out running and finishing easy ops.

It puts more pressure on all the opposing players, being mentally sped up not only tires you out physically quicker but many times it makes you take poor judgement shots that we rebound and get back out running yet again. Those kids that go white hot on us find that harder to do when mentally sped up and on tired legs resulting in even more rebounds and even more break ops for us. I always admired the 40mins of hell attack Nolan Richardson used to have his teams play with, felt it gave them a real advantage. It does force you to play a deeper bench but Roy develops a deeper bench any way. I would think taking a kid out to play your deeper bench by plan with be easier accepted by a kid that is tired from ball hawking full court than a kid not really wanting to come out because he is not all that winded.

Finally speeding it up gets our tempo and our tempo is what Roy wants because it allows us to get in to our offense both the primary and secondary breaks before the other team can get in to their preferred defense which now days is usually some form of zone.

What are your thoughts?
 
I'd be more interested to see more zone defense. We are built to play zone with our quickness and length on the wings. I'd also like to see Roy call TO's and defend the three better but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Just looking to get some discussion going, yeah, I am kinda bored! LOL

I think back to a couple of teams Roy had for us and it seems we did a lot more full court pressure than we do as of late. Specifically thinking back to the Brandan Wright team where as I recall we used our depth to put a ton of pressure all over the court and it wore a lot of teams down.

Now we did see more standard type of lineups then, more big men, we seer a lot of 3 guard line ups now day and we still prefer to play with a more traditional 4 and a longer 3. But I do think this team has 2-3 wings that could do a very good job with their length and wing spans and yet still have the quickness to handle the smaller ball handlers. I do think, especially at this point in the season that both 7th and Nate could give Joel more of a rest, earlier 7th was not able to but he has been playing well of late. Clearly we have the 2 guard depth to be able to roll fresh combinations out and very few teams can match our depth so I would think we could get in to teams legs so we can have them tired to end halves, maybe go on those classic UNC late half runs we used to get so often.

To me there are a couple real advantages, already spoke to the tired legs advantage but it tires big men out and tired big men tend to reach, when they reach they foul, getting the opponents in to foul trouble is a big time advantage. Next, it speeds the opponents up, most teams want to control tempo against us, it is a lot harder to do if they have to work hard to get the ball pass the mid court stripe. Clearly at some point they mentally wear down and are more likely to commit a TO, allow a steal, those things that get us out running and finishing easy ops.

It puts more pressure on all the opposing players, being mentally sped up not only tires you out physically quicker but many times it makes you take poor judgement shots that we rebound and get back out running yet again. Those kids that go white hot on us find that harder to do when mentally sped up and on tired legs resulting in even more rebounds and even more break ops for us. I always admired the 40mins of hell attack Nolan Richardson used to have his teams play with, felt it gave them a real advantage. It does force you to play a deeper bench but Roy develops a deeper bench any way. I would think taking a kid out to play your deeper bench by plan with be easier accepted by a kid that is tired from ball hawking full court than a kid not really wanting to come out because he is not all that winded.

Finally speeding it up gets our tempo and our tempo is what Roy wants because it allows us to get in to our offense both the primary and secondary breaks before the other team can get in to their preferred defense which now days is usually some form of zone.

What are your thoughts?

I see a lot of your points. I just think we're too slow. Meeks is limited athletically. Hicks is not exactly fleet of foot. If you take one of those out, then you're probably sacrificing offense, and that's all Roy cares about anyway. Justin is long (and he's my favorite player so I hate to knock him), but he's not fast either. I think we just have too many liabilities to cover all that open space. I'm sure this would work sparingly, but I'm just saying I don't think we could go to this consistently.
 
I see a lot of your points. I just think we're too slow. Meeks is limited athletically. Hicks is not exactly fleet of foot. If you take one of those out, then you're probably sacrificing offense, and that's all Roy cares about anyway. Justin is long (and he's my favorite player so I hate to knock him), but he's not fast either. I think we just have too many liabilities to cover all that open space. I'm sure this would work sparingly, but I'm just saying I don't think we could go to this consistently.

Agreed on Meeks foot speed, same I would suggest for Luke and Tony. But what I would look to do is pressure hard with my PG and 2 guard and force a wing or a 4 man to bring the ball up court, something that 3 & 4s are not typically comfortable doing.
 
Man to man yes. It's a waste to play 11 guys if you are not playing pressure defense.

Certain line ups full court traps. Right now we pressure people with our offense.

I would like to see us run more of the half court offenses of Dean and Guthridge times.

When was the last time we seen a backdoor cut for a layup or alley oop.
 
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Hard as it might be to believe, we simply don't have the foot speed to press full court for any length of time.
 
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