NBA DRAFT CHANGE

[northfan]

NBA DRAFT CHANGE

A lot of discussions conclude that the NCAA is somewhat helpless to effect the NBA age requirement (“one & done”) for the NBA draft. And since the NBA gains a year of scouting/maturity/coaching/skills/etc. from their rule, they are reluctant to change it.

So for discussion purposes:

The NCAA should allow any players to commit to the draft but withdraw after the draft and maintain their full eligibility. And also pay a reasonable amount of travel expenses to the “combines” (which would eliminate the necessity for a player to sign early with an agent).

Positives:

(1) A player would have full knowledge of his personal economics/earnings to make his best personal decision as to return to college or go pro. This would be a major factor for determining career decisions which are currently many times “guesses” for a lot of players.

(2) This would be additional support from the schools (& NCAA) to their players after the one or more seasons of the player’s “contributions” to the schools.

(3) The NBA might be more willing to review/revise the current one &
done if forced to scout/analyze a much larger group of players each year.
And with the uncertainty that late draft choices could choose to go back to
school – which would complicate the draft process.

(4) College basketball schools, players, coaches and fans would benefit greatly (understatement!).


Comments?

 

[RoseHeel]

NBA DRAFT CHANGE

A lot of discussions conclude that the NCAA is somewhat helpless to effect the NBA age requirement (“one & done”) for the NBA draft. And since the NBA gains a year of scouting/maturity/coaching/skills/etc. from their rule, they are reluctant to change it.

So for discussion purposes:

The NCAA should allow any players to commit to the draft but withdraw after the draft and maintain their full eligibility. And also pay a reasonable amount of travel expenses to the “combines” (which would eliminate the necessity for a player to sign early with an agent).

Positives:

(1) A player would have full knowledge of his personal economics/earnings to make his best personal decision as to return to college or go pro. This would be a major factor for determining career decisions which are currently many times “guesses” for a lot of players.

(2) This would be additional support from the schools (& NCAA) to their players after the one or more seasons of the player’s “contributions” to the schools.

(3) The NBA might be more willing to review/revise the current one &
done if forced to scout/analyze a much larger group of players each year.
And with the uncertainty that late draft choices could choose to go back to
school – which would complicate the draft process.

(4) College basketball schools, players, coaches and fans would benefit greatly (understatement!).


Comments?

First, I highly doubt the NCAA would willingly ever make a rule change that makes them lose money (i.e. covering the expenses)

Regarding maintaining full eligibility: By the time the NBA draft comes about, I believe most NLI have been signed and rosters have pretty much been finalized. So let's be generous to the idea and say you could decide the minute after the draft, "Only a second rounder? Guess I should go back to school". Their spot is likely already gone.

The only real choice they have is they could have to transfer to another school and sit, and if your name is in the draft, you probably don't want to wait 1 year to play, seeing that you were already trying to get drafted the year before. The more desperate coaches may be willing to pull a scholarship from one of their lower tier players, but that creates a different set of problems in this scenario.

Now, you could choose to move some dates around, like bring the date of the NBA to as early as May, but that's out of the NCAA's control. Incoming players could choose to not sign NLI just in case, but that only works for the top minority of the recruiting classes, those of which probably wouldn't need to worry about roster chaos.

Extending the date of signings would be the most plausible idea, but that would hurt the college system even more.

TL;DR: For this to actually work, you'd have to heavily tweak a lot of the systems already in place all at once. It'd be much easier to keep the current change now and build upon that, which gives you plenty of info for your decision and where you will likely be drafted than it did, say 5 years ago.

 

[northfan]

I still think it needs fixing!

 

[dadika13]

Glad you're not in charge of this.

 

[northfan]

Things would be better.

 

[dadika13]

Things would be better.

It's horribly unrealistic.

Things would be better if I were sleeping with Scarlett Johannson but that ain't happening either.

 

[HeelzLover]

It's horribly unrealistic.

Things would be better if I were sleeping with Scarlett Johannson but that ain't happening either.

She is quite LOVELY

 

[HeelFan58]

It's horribly unrealistic.

Things would be better if I were sleeping with Scarlett Johannson but that ain't happening either.

not for her.

 

[Tru Blu Tar Heel]

She is quite LOVELY

Understatement of the year!

 

[HeelzLover]

not for her.

She was/is dating Sean Penn. Her standards aren't too high.

 

[HeelFan58]

She was/is dating Sean Penn. Her standards aren't too high.

The mental is far exceeded by the physical. In other words she is a ding bat.

 

[gauchoheel]

No way the NCAA allows players to stay in the draft and come back. Too slippery of a slope to threatening their golden goose, "amateur" status.

 

[Green C14]

Really?
From what I've seen a player can play pro ball, then go to college and the NCAA only requires him to sit out 9 games.
Mooooo

 

[JimmyinVA]

your proposed change would be nice for the players, letting them hedge their bets with an even later decision deadline. and in some cases they could use the threat of returning to college as leverage for a better contract. but i disagree strongly with #4. i believe this would be very bad for college basketball, the coaches, and the fans. this last minute straddling the fence between nba and college would be a nightmare for coaches trying to figure out their roster and plan recruiting. and college basketball would become even more of a free farm league for the nba and i for one don't want my school to be nothing more than a pit stop.

 

[DSouthr]

This thing can be fixed but there are some things that would have to happen, primarily, the NCAA would have to approach the NBA and demand full partnership as equals. That is not the case right now, the NBA treats the NCAA like a red headed step child and the NCAA bends over and takes it up the wazoo. Demand equal partnership or threat to go back to freshman ineligibility, ban NBA scouts and agents from any NCAA associated event or program, no more NBA days for the dukies or the kitty kats. Any NBA scout, any agent or his rep seen having any contact with a kid would be deemed a severe violation and eligibility is gone...Yeah, hard ball but that is all the NBA can understand is hard ball.

Now, what I would like to see would be a partnership between the NCAA and NBA, where both side win as well as the fans and the kids. I would like to see a kid be drafted at any time and yet still play his full 4yrs in college.

How would that work you ask, kid is drafted, right out of high school maybe, kids rookie salary cap clock begins then, his rookie contract terms would be that he plays 4yrs of college ball, the NBA pays his scholly in full to the college he plays for. In addition the NBA drafting team pays for insurance in the event the kid is hurt and can never play again during his college playing days. The rest of the kids rookie salary earnings would be placed in a single premium annuity at the beginning of each season, except for a reasonable stipend amount, say $1,000 a month. Now hardship withdrawals could be made in the event of some family emergency, not for bling or tricked out Benzes.

IN addition, the NCAA and the NBA would work together on creating and making available to all athletes a college program that teaches kids all they need to understand about being a professional athlete and what to be on constant watch for. Something these kids may actually be interested in so they can realize some value, real value from their education rather than it just be a nessessary evil they have to endure.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

No way the NCAA allows players to stay in the draft and come back. Too slippery of a slope to threatening their golden goose, "amateur" status.

They already allow it in hockey though. Underclassmen in college (and HS seniors) can enter the NHL draft, get drafted, and then play for an additional 1, 2, 3 or 4 years in college before going onto the NHL. They just can't sign a contract with the NHL team until they're officially ready to give up amateur status, but the NHL team still holds their rights until 30 days after they graduate college.

The difference isn't the NCAA - it's that the NBA has a better situation (for themselves, but not for the players) than the NHL. If a NBA team drafts a player, they know they have him the following year. In the NHL they can draft a player and they might not get him for another couple years, or ever at all (if he waits until his rights are up and then signs with another team, which was the case with Jimmy Vesey who was drafted in the 3rd round by Nashville in 2012 but elected to play all 4 years at Harvard before having his pick of team to sign with this past winter, which ended up being the Rangers).

 

[tarheel0910]

They already allow it in hockey though. Underclassmen in college (and HS seniors) can enter the NHL draft, get drafted, and then play for an additional 1, 2, 3 or 4 years in college before going onto the NHL. They just can't sign a contract with the NHL team until they're officially ready to give up amateur status, but the NHL team still holds their rights until 30 days after they graduate college.

The difference isn't the NCAA - it's that the NBA has a better situation (for themselves, but not for the players) than the NHL. If a NBA team drafts a player, they know they have him the following year. In the NHL they can draft a player and they might not get him for another couple years, or ever at all (if he waits until his rights are up and then signs with another team, which was the case with Jimmy Vesey who was drafted in the 3rd round by Nashville in 2012 but elected to play all 4 years at Harvard before having his pick of team to sign with this past winter, which ended up being the Rangers).

What's hockey?

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

What's hockey?

I see the trolls are out. Go back to your board.

 

[gauchoheel]

They already allow it in hockey though. Underclassmen in college (and HS seniors) can enter the NHL draft, get drafted, and then play for an additional 1, 2, 3 or 4 years in college before going onto the NHL. They just can't sign a contract with the NHL team until they're officially ready to give up amateur status, but the NHL team still holds their rights until 30 days after they graduate college.

The difference isn't the NCAA - it's that the NBA has a better situation (for themselves, but not for the players) than the NHL. If a NBA team drafts a player, they know they have him the following year. In the NHL they can draft a player and they might not get him for another couple years, or ever at all (if he waits until his rights are up and then signs with another team, which was the case with Jimmy Vesey who was drafted in the 3rd round by Nashville in 2012 but elected to play all 4 years at Harvard before having his pick of team to sign with this past winter, which ended up being the Rangers).

Did not know that. Food for thought then. I think the rule makes sense in theory.