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NCAA investigation

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I admit I haven't been glued into this. This is something that seems to have many layers and I probably am only aware of the surface of this investigation. How does everyone think this will end? Seems like there will at least be some very significant penalties and UNC's recent history will never be looked at the same. Am I off? Or has the coverage just been extremely one sided?
 
When it comes to the NCAA, one can rarely predict what will come down. With that said, most are using the Syracuse penalties as a benchmark. I think anyone that thinks Carolina will skate through this unscathed then they are niave. While I think that this was purely an academic issue in that it wasn't solely benefiting athletes, the fact that athletes made up a good percentage of enrollees will force the NCAA's hand.

By dragging the investigation out, they have already enacted penalties passively on the recruiting circuit. They have loaded opposing coaches arsenal with all the negative recruiting that is being used. The sooner this ends, regardless of the outcome and penalties, the better it will be for the Heels.
 
The coverage has been blatantly one sided. That being said, there was some wrong doing going on, no doubt. However, unlike what all those idiots at the N&O and State fans think, it was an academic issue, not athletic. I am assume there is an ongoing NCAA investigation, but UNC has not received any notice of allegations. If so, the NCAA is taking its time on purpose because it knows its hurting UNC's recruiting. I am not sure the NCAA can even rule on a non athletic issue. It overstepped its boundaries at Penn State and from recent emails released, screwed USC. Then there was the Miami thing where 72 athletes got impermmisable benefits, but nothing. Who knows what the NCAA is going to do, but if they decide to bring the pain down on UNC, the pansies at UNC better decide to fight back this time. The NCAA is one of the most corrupt institutions in America.
 
^^^ This


There is a "media narrative" and there are the FACTS which are two totally different things

I agree we that we COULD get hit very hard and also agree we have been very heavily damaged in recruiting already

I am very pessimistic about all these kids that folks around here list as possible Carolina signees.. Ingram et al

NONE of then are coning here IMO and it is almost all due to the NCAA ,which as Seahawk points out is currently penalizing and will continue to penalize us on the recruiting front
 
Who knows? Maybe the NCAA drops the hammer and that coupled with what Syracuse got starts the cogs in motion where the Power 5 schools separate themselves from the NCAA. IMO, the semi pro model would be the best for all those involved.
 
If, and I repeat if the NCAA goes by their own guidelines, there is actually fairly little they can do to the basketball program, nor should they. Keep in mind that no ineligible players were used (unlike Syracuse), and there was no directing players into committing academic fraud per se, (taking easy classes is not fraud) nor involvement in creation of bogus academics.

"Failure to monitor" is about as egregious as they could logically reach and even that is mostly from the Doherty-era when things got loose. The report noted that Roy's regime took steps to address the red flags that were popping up and that will go a long way. Most importantly, there was no evidence that the basketball program was aware that there was actual fraud being committed within the AFAM dept., as opposed to merely offering easy paper classes (which are common).
 
I used to care what might happen. I no longer do. Even if they take down a banner (which isn't going to happen), they can't erase my memory. They still will have won the title. I can't go back and un-celebrate it.

Basically, it will mean next to nothing to me personally. IMO, the damage has been done. It hurt our recruiting and gave the ABCers what they were looking for. That can be changed either. So I'll continue to be the fan I've always been.
 
Originally posted by gunslingerdick:
I used to care what might happen. I no longer do. Even if they take down a banner (which isn't going to happen), they can't erase my memory. They still will have won the title. I can't go back and un-celebrate it.

Basically, it will mean next to nothing to me personally. IMO, the damage has been done. It hurt our recruiting and gave the ABCers what they were looking for. That can be changed either. So I'll continue to be the fan I've always been.
I recall Kenny Smith commenting on the vacated wins that Syracuse was recently hit with. He basically mocked it by saying "So, what are they going to do, add wins to records of the opposing teams who lost?" To me, that is one of the dumbest, hollow, done-for-effect moves. It's like sentencing a criminal to Life plus 99 years. It's illogical. It screams "Don't take what we did seriously because it is impossible."

This past week I found a professionally-framed Daily Tar Heel Special Edition of the 2005 Championship in a pawn shop... $20! I thought "This is a steal and if they try and pull the banner down, it's worth even more to me!" To me, if they try and "remove a banner" it will make those Championships even more cherished. I hate the NCAA. It's a totally useless, hypocritical, unchecked institution.
 
I could care less what happens. Everything happens for a reason. I used to be a negative person and poster but I changed my life around. Put your faith and trust in GOD and all will be fine, besides this is sports not real life.
 
Originally posted by TeamCarolina71:
I could care less what happens. Everything happens for a reason. I used to be a negative person and poster but I changed my life around. Put your faith and trust in GOD and all will be fine, besides this is sports not real life.
LOVE IT dude
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Originally posted by TeamCarolina71:
I could care less what happens. Everything happens for a reason. I used to be a negative person and poster but I changed my life around. Put your faith and trust in GOD and all will be fine, besides this is sports not real life.
Amen
 
nothing is going to happen...unless of course you get offended at the abc'ers saying carolina is the example of how to get away with everything.
 
There is an ongoing academic scandal (going on) at the present time. A lot of this entire situation will reach conclusions based on UNC research into the matter (jmho). The NCAA has let the Penn State issue basically end itself at this point in time. Whether or not the Rasheed Suliamon situation should be investigated by the NCAA is a matter of debate (imo). The reason being is because reportedly most all (if not ALL) of the Duke brass, had some knowledge of the two girls statements that they had indeed been raped, according to first hand accounts that have been told (imo). So, is redefining a course curriculum worse than rape and/or rape?? The students at UNC did what they were asked to do, to the very best of my understanding. The University as a whole did NOT take an active part in the process of changing the curriculum (jmho). Two people were and/or are mainly responsible, in my view. Futhermore, this is an academic issue. The NCAA has absolutely no business intervening in this matter (again, imo). I guess that time will tell...
 
Originally posted by ChapelHeeled:




There is an ongoing academic scandal (going on) at the present time. A lot of this entire situation will reach conclusions based on UNC research into the matter (jmho). The NCAA has let the Penn State issue basically end itself at this point in time. Whether or not the Rasheed Suliamon situation should be investigated by the NCAA is a matter of debate (imo). The reason being is because reportedly most all (if not ALL) of the Duke brass, had some knowledge of the two girls statements that they had indeed been raped, according to first hand accounts that have been told (imo). So, is redefining a course curriculum worse than rape and/or rape?? The students at UNC did what they were asked to do, to the very best of my understanding. The University as a whole did NOT take an active part in the process of changing the curriculum (jmho). Two people were and/or are mainly responsible, in my view. Futhermore, this is an academic issue. The NCAA has absolutely no business intervening in this matter (again, imo). I guess that time will tell...
Don't be naive. Student-athletes participating in fake classes (for TWENTY+ years) is most certainly an issue worthy of NCAA involvement. Punishment is coming sooner or later ...and if this had happened at dook we'd all be screaming just like them.
 
Originally posted by TeamCarolina71:
I could care less what happens. Everything happens for a reason. I used to be a negative person and poster but I changed my life around. Put your faith and trust in GOD and all will be fine, besides this is sports not real life.
BIG AMEN!!!
 
Originally posted by bleeduncblue: Don't be naive. Student-athletes participating in fake classes (for TWENTY+ years) is most certainly an issue worthy of NCAA involvement. Punishment is coming sooner or later ...and if this had happened at dook we'd all be screaming just like them.
Not me. I don't care if these kids get paid, or get special favors academically, or even attend class at all. I never have cared. To me, college sports is just like pro sports except the athletes can't get paid. It's an injustice from my view. There's no real emphasis on these kids' education! It's about their athletic skills, and the success of the teams, and the ticket sales, and the TV contracts, and merchandise revenue, and on and on. This whole "student-athlete" myth will finally end one day.

By the way, in the case of a one of these kids raping or committing a sexual crime getting covered-up because of what is at stake (see above), then THAT would have me screaming.
 
bleed I am not going to argue with you and while I disagree on some of your points, I respect your view and will point out that the dookies and the belief that....." if the shoe was on the other foot we would be screaming about it" for THEM to get punished. Well JHC man I ,along with precious few others ,HAVE been screaming bloody murder for FIVE FRICKIN YEARS about lance Thomas and the FACT not opinion FACT the he clearly got $70k worth of illegal benefits that clearly would have and should have resulted in the precious doochies VACATING the Natty they won in 2010 using an ILLEGAL PLAYER

THAT thing went exactly NOWHERE ,all we got was stonewalling. and cover up . NOTHING happened to dook. its ahole coach .or anything or anybody associated with that scam


The whole thing has been and continues to be completely glossed over and covered up ,Forgotten really except by a few who simply want the TRUTH and FACTS to come out

We as a university spent $ 3 million bucks of our $ to investigate everything and any thing regarding AF AM .We have given our enemies all kinds of ammo which they have gleefully used against us to try and DESTROY our athletic programs especially Bball

NOTHING remotely resembling that has come from dook into Thomas and his diamond heist .In fact just the opposite has occurred, yet no one really seems to care.

A fantastic job by the leader of men in Derm.
 
If they jump into "easy classes" "no show classes" "paper classes" they opening a can of worms they can't close.
 
Any chance this will be done before the start of next Season? That's all I'm concerned about at this point...
 
Bleed, fake would mean that there were not any classes nor curriculum. At least that is the way that I see it. The local media laid that title upon UNC and the AFAM Department( Fact; imo). There was work completed and submitted in many of those classes. The total amount that was learned by the various student athletes is an unknown (jmho). You seem to be all too happy to slice UNC to pieces. Yes, there was wrongdoing. Yes some learning DID occur. I feel confident that you missed this part of the equation as well. I also feel that neither Coach Smith nor Coach Guthridge knew anything about the inner-workings that may have occurred on a small level during their time at UNC. I feel that Coach Williams did not know the full scope of any of the things that were happening WHEN HE came back home! Therefore, I will NOT crucify our ENTIRE Academic Institution for the actions of a few (literally). Carry on 'big fella'...
 
Gonna upset the ABC crowd but womens basketball will be the ones to get hammered.
 
The resignation of Boxhill from the womens program is an indication that the womens program is in more jeopardy tan the mens IMO

So far no one from the mens program including and especially Wayne Weldan has resigned. Of course that could change but I do not think it will.
 
Originally posted by ChapelHeeled:

fake would mean that there were not any classes nor curriculum.... There was work completed and submitted in many of those classes.
Actually, work was completed and submitted in all those classes. Like you, I dislike the use of the word "fake" to describe them for that reason.

It could mean "fake" the same way a fake Rolex is an actual watch, just without the pedigree of its namesake. But "fake" also connotes something that doesn't exist at all, which wasn't the case. I have no doubt the media chose the word "fake" intentionally for its misleading but technically accurate definition. Even that hag Willingham calls them paper classes.

The questions that present gray areas for UNC are the possibility of plagiarism and the obviously lenient grading standards for the work that was submitted. Both of those would require the NCAA's judgment on what are essentially academic issues. The NCAA is obviously unpredictable so I have no idea how they'll address that.


Originally posted by keysersosay#1:

So far no one from the mens program including and especially Wayne Weldan has resigned. Of course that could change but I do not think it will.
Wayne Walden left UNC more than five years ago. Maybe I'm misunderstanding?
 
As much fire as the NCAA is already under with the USC emails being revealed and the Miami deal on top of the heat they're taking for the "student athlete" term being invented to avoid workers comp to avoid providing healthcare for athletes, Real Sports on HBO tearing them down and the DoJ calling them a cartel I dunno. They should find a foxhole and hide in it for a minute then institute reforms before even thinking about going after one of the premier basketball programs in the country in an official capacity. UNC should lawyer up the kids like Johnny Manzel at Texas A&M and tell the NCAA to kick rocks at this point. The result would probably be the same or better as the 2 quarter suspension they gave him.
 
Originally posted by SeaHawk98:

The coverage has been blatantly one sided. That being said, there was some wrong doing going on, no doubt. However, unlike what all those idiots at the N&O and State fans think, it was an academic issue, not athletic. I am assume there is an ongoing NCAA investigation, but UNC has not received any notice of allegations. If so, the NCAA is taking its time on purpose because it knows its hurting UNC's recruiting. I am not sure the NCAA can even rule on a non athletic issue. It overstepped its boundaries at Penn State and from recent emails released, screwed USC. Then there was the Miami thing where 72 athletes got impermmisable benefits, but nothing. Who knows what the NCAA is going to do, but if they decide to bring the pain down on UNC, the pansies at UNC better decide to fight back this time. The NCAA is one of the most corrupt institutions in America.



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