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New information on Joe Pa and what he knew...and when
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I don’t really have much of a reaction to it. We already found out that they knew about at least one incident. It doesn’t really matter to me when it happened and when they knew. The fact is they knew, or at least suspected, what happened and didn’t do what they should have.
That's one of the problems with this case. Everybody looks at Paterno, and forgets about the administration. It's sort of like how everyone thought terrorism was over just because we killed bin Laden. If the administration at Penn St had done its job, they would have fired Paterno and reported Sandusky all the way back in 1998. The point of having presidents and chancellors at universities is to deal with problems like this. If administrators aren't going to deal with situations like this, then there isn't a reason to have them in the first place.
The issue is Paterno did let those administrators ABOVE him know. He should have gone to the cops when they didn't, but to pay blame squarely on him and then the nation collectively but it is the best sell job of a scape goat since Enron.
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My reactions are I really don't care.
The ONLY question I've ever had or even cared about is why did the victims report their story to Joe Paterno and not the police? That's the only thing that's ever interested me about this case.
If you understood how highly he was revered, you'd understand. He should have cleaned it up, and the administration should have. They were in authority for a reason.
The real question is why in that culture did they think it wasn't such a big deal? Suggests molestation was much more widespread than people want to admit, and since so many had dealt with it and gone on, that it was looked on as not such a big deal. Certainly not worth endangering the reputation of the storied football program. It's a little like the Catholic hierarchy that kept protecting pedophile priests. They seemed to think it was just a minor offense, something to overlook and not really deal with.
Did you go to the police when you heard the Micheal Jackson or Bill Cosby rumors? If not then you made the same decision as Paterno.
The Catholic Church had THOUSANDS of Sanduskys. They even had a special center to treat the perverts. Paterno was told a rumor and his misstate was he did not believe it.
I agree. I don't even believe some of them went to Paterno. One kid who has not said anything for 40 years now claims he told Paterno. Did he ride his bike 100 miles to PSU and walk into the coaches office? Doubt it. I am not saying he was not abused but stories change after 40 years.
The second point is it has come out that a few of the kids did go to the local police and some went to state police and the police investigated and found nothing. If Paterno had simply told McQueary to go to the police and tell them whatever you saw then PSU would have been totally in the clear. THe police would then investigate and most likely have found nothing because the victims would not want to come forward. At that point PSU would have been totally in the clear in my book.
Paterno really never should have been involved. He was a football coach. Why would any victim go to a football coach and not the police? The victims and McQueary should have gone to the police.
I think Paterno also F'ed up by not hiring a good lawyer and PR guy. He let his moron son Scott(looks like Chris Farley) do the talking. If a PR guy had simply said Paterno has always encouraged anyone who thinks they are a victim of any crime to go to the police then I doubt anyone could dispute it. Paterno was a football coach and he should not have been dealing with rumors of abuse. The victims should have gone to the police and let them deal with it.
Did anyone here go to the police when you heard the rumors about Micheal Jackson or Temple U Trustee Bill Cosby? Cosby had 40 women come forward and he was still a trustee and still working. It was not until an old deposition of Cosby admitting to drugging women that the masses turned on him.
There is still more to come out about OTHER team's coaches knowing. TWO current OSU coaches knew. Sandusky also did camps with Dick Vermeil and Andy REid who I think were both on his board at his charity.
I love how OSU fans are now saying third hand info is not reliable and we need to wait and see before we judge Schiano. The flaw is Schiano is named in the same documents that used third hand info that named Paterno. You did not hear any OSU fans say wait and see when it came to sanctions based on those same documents.
I love how OSU fans are now saying third hand info is not reliable and we need to wait and see before we judge Schiano. The flaw is Schiano is named in the same documents that used third hand info that named Paterno. You did not hear any OSU fans say wait and see when it came to sanctions based on those same documents.
Maybe. I don't know enough about it. Perhaps you are right and Paterno did not know and this is a media witch hunt. I thought it was established he did know, perhaps saw something even.
But if he did not, can't really hold him accountable unless it was willful ignorance and negligence. Either way, whomever was told needed to take it seriously.
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He knowledge was about the rumor. He did not know anything first hand. People then assume he was supposed to know if a rumor was true or false.
Do you take rumors seriously? Doubt it. Did you ever go to the police with ANY rumor. That is why the victims needed to go to the police. Until then it is just a rumor.
Paterno's mistake was he did not know if the rumor was true or false. He assumed it was false and he really was not in a position to know one way or the other. He needed to tell McQueary to tell his story to the police and then PSU would have been totally in the clear. The reality is the results probably would not have changed. It has come out that various police depts had investigated Sandusky over the years and never found anything because the victims never want to go public.
If a rumor like that was going around my house or the company that I was CEO of , then I would have damn well made it my mission to find out. I have probably never been in the same state at the same time as Cosby and Jackson of course people look the other way for them too , well for Jackson anyway. Terrible analogy.
REally? When have you gone to the police with a rumor? ARe we to believe you nave never heard a rumor about someone in your state? Do you only care about kids in the same state as you? YOu don't have to be in the same state to do the right thing. You can call the police long distance.
It is funny that people all say they would do the right thing. When did you actually go to the police with a rumor? I can give you a list of rumors that just about everyone knows. Micheal Jackson, Bill Cosby, Hollywood and Corey Feldman/Haim. Did YOU go to the police? Doubt it. Most people hear the rumors but you don't really know they are true until AFTER the actual victim goes to the police. Even then you still don't know for sure. Temple University Trustee Bill Cosby had 40 women come forward and it was not until a audio was released that he admitted drugging women that people turned on him.
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Yes ...Really. I care about kids every where but the first thing about going to the police on a rumor is having some valid first hand info and I have never had any or even heard it until it hit the news. I guess my circle of friends just tends to frown on child molestation. Soooo I have never gone to the police with a rumor. Paterno could have done so many other things besides going to the police. 1) Call Sandusky into his office and ask him point blank "are you some kind of pervert cause I been hearing things. 2) Take a grad assistant and say I got a job for you..follow Sandusky around....3) Call in all the other assistants and say I've been hearing some very disturbing rumors and I want to know what you know.. I mean Sandusky was doing it right on campus and in athletic facilities. Paterno had unlimited resources to look in to it but chose to protect his legacy and his perverted friend. If you think Paterno had no clue , then you are just being naive or a hero worshiper.
Your point about going to the police on a rumor is you need valid first hand info???? Sounds like a contradiction. Are you saying you don't go to the police if you do not have the valid first hand info? Let's test your premise. I saw one of YOUR coaches abusing kids. ARe you now going to go to the police or will you make the same decision as Paterno? The victims are in YOUR state. You will say my info is not valid first hand. That is probably the same thing Paterno said. That is why the victims need to go to the police. Their info is first hand.
1. May have been done.
2. A GA spy? Not likely.
3. They were not friends. Sandusky retired 10 years earlier and was not an employee.
I think you're spot on. A very sad situation that was mishandled all the way down the line. I've read enough to be sure that Joe knew definitively about Sandusky's crimes and chose to look the other way. I can't respect a man who would do that.
ahhh yeah if it was one of "my coaches" and anyone told me I would be all over it but you made an outrageous statement about "in my state" or even "Hollywood" and that I should report those rumors. WTF is your blind devotion to Paterno all about?. .
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