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Next years Roster

1heel4life

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Jan 28, 2022
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J Wash= portal
Cadeau= portal
Tyson=portal Jackson=NBA or portal Powell=Back Z High=Back Trimble= Back Denis=Fr Dixon=Fr Wilson=Fr J.Brown=Back Lubin=Back My hopes for next season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I'm expecting (and to some degree hoping) something like this:

Starters:
PG: Cadeau
SG: Transfer starter
SF: Powell
PF: Wilson
C: Transfer starter

Bench rotation:
Guard: Transfer depth shooter
Wing: Transfer depth big wing
Big: Lubin

Deep bench: Brown, Dixon, Denis

Copy/pasting my response for why I only expect us to keep one of Cadeau/Trimble from another thread:

Cadeau and Seth are both worth keeping in a vacuum, but Hubert (I'm assuming he stays?) needs to think very deeply about the construction of the team. This year's squad was plenty talented enough to be a top ~15 team on paper, but the pieces fit horribly together. Cadeau/RJ/Seth are way too small, and taking the only shooter out of that trio makes for an even worse offensive fit. We need to get bigger in both the backcourt and the frontcourt, and so far next year looks terribly light on shooting. A starting 5 including Cadeau, Trimble, Wilson, and a non-shooting center is a horrible offensive fit. And if Trimble isn't starting, he probably doesn't really deserve "big bucks". So I think it might be tough to make a team that includes both Cadeau and Trimble if we're trying to maximize winning games, which should be the point rather than just blindly retaining previous players.
 
I'm expecting (and to some degree hoping) something like this:

Starters:
PG: Cadeau
SG: Transfer starter
SF: Powell
PF: Wilson
C: Transfer starter

Bench rotation:
Guard: Transfer depth shooter
Wing: Transfer depth big wing
Big: Lubin

Deep bench: Brown, Dixon, Denis

Copy/pasting my response for why I only expect us to keep one of Cadeau/Trimble from another thread:

Cadeau and Seth are both worth keeping in a vacuum, but Hubert (I'm assuming he stays?) needs to think very deeply about the construction of the team. This year's squad was plenty talented enough to be a top ~15 team on paper, but the pieces fit horribly together. Cadeau/RJ/Seth are way too small, and taking the only shooter out of that trio makes for an even worse offensive fit. We need to get bigger in both the backcourt and the frontcourt, and so far next year looks terribly light on shooting. A starting 5 including Cadeau, Trimble, Wilson, and a non-shooting center is a horrible offensive fit. And if Trimble isn't starting, he probably doesn't really deserve "big bucks". So I think it might be tough to make a team that includes both Cadeau and Trimble if we're trying to maximize winning games, which should be the point rather than just blindly retaining previous players.
Add a stretch 4 who can make 3s
 
After this game and this season, the number one (maybe 2 behind a C1) are guys that play hard for 40 minutes. Guys that play hard from minute 1 to minute 40.

If it's Cadeau/Wilson/a good 5 but a non-shooting 5, then you must bring in a 2 that can shoot the 3. If it's Cadeau/Powell/Wilson/upgraded 5, then the 2 needs to be a complete offensive 3-level scorer. Cadeau and Wilson won't be offensive studs next season.

The bench needs a ton of work. Disappointing this season because I thought Ian Jackson would give them more consistent fire power off the bench. You probably need to bring in a portal guy who is used to coming off the bench more than relying on freshmen used to starting. Obviously, this team also needs more big bodies too. If you're starting Wilson and a non-shooting 5, you also need a 4 that can shoot it some.
 
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Starting tomorrow HD needs to get into the portal for TWO big men that can score from the paint and more importantly defend. There will be no excuses for another mediocre interior season from the center position
This disappointment of a season cannot be repeated.
 
After this game and this season, the number one (maybe 2 behind a C1) are guys that play hard for 40 minutes. Guys that play hard from minute 1 to minute 40.

If it's Cadeau/Wilson/a good 5 but a non-shooting 5, then you must bring in a 2 that can shoot the 3. If it's Cadeau/Powell/Wilson/upgraded 5, then the 2 needs to be a complete offensive 3-level scorer. Cadeau and Wilson won't be offensive studs next season.

The bench needs a ton of work. Disappointing this season because I thought Ian Jackson would give them more consistent fire power off the bench. You probably need to bring in a portal guy who is used to coming off the bench more than relying on freshmen used to starting. Obviously, this team also needs more big bodies too. If you're starting Wilson and a non-shooting 5, you also need a 4 that can shoot it some.
Yeah we need some major help with shooting, bc you can't expect any of the freshman to be consistent shooters.

Almost feels like we have to find a center who is a shotblocker and a 3pt threat. That's going to limit our options.
 
Yeah we need some major help with shooting, bc you can't expect any of the freshman to be consistent shooters.

Almost feels like we have to find a center who is a shotblocker and a 3pt threat. That's going to limit our options.
It depends on who they bring back. I'm one who doesn't think anyone is so indispensable that UNC absolutely needs them next season. Sure Cadeau/Wilson would be nice. But if they found more of a scoring and bigger PG that can shoot, along with an upgraded 5, that gives them flexibility at other positions.

I'm completely open to a very different roster next season. Nothing against this year's team. I just don't think any of them are all that great. The main players are all talented in some areas and lacking in other very important areas.
 
Yeah we need some major help with shooting, bc you can't expect any of the freshman to be consistent shooters.

Almost feels like we have to find a center who is a shotblocker and a 3pt threat. That's going to limit our options.
That'd be ideal, though I imagine that's unrealistic for the caliber of center we want to add. A guy with plus size, athleticism, and shooting as a big is likely an NBA player. Even given our roster, I'd sacrifice shooting over those other two qualities.

We need the SG transfer to be a stud shooter with plus size for the position. And then all the transfers for the bench need to be guys who can shoot a fair amount. If we're going to have 3 or 4 of Cadeau/Trimble/Wilson/non-shooting center in the rotation, the other 4-5 guys have to be able to shoot.
 
I don't mean to pile on Hubert. There are plenty of people that will do that here.

But how many times this season was UNC just horrendous and looked unprepared/unmotivated at the start of the game? They were so freaking passive and unenergetic to start today. Effort should never be a variable, but it especially shouldn't be a variable in the first 10 minutes of a game.
 
After this game and this season, the number one (maybe 2 behind a C1) are guys that play hard for 40 minutes. Guys that play hard from minute 1 to minute 40.

If it's Cadeau/Wilson/a good 5 but a non-shooting 5, then you must bring in a 2 that can shoot the 3. If it's Cadeau/Powell/Wilson/upgraded 5, then the 2 needs to be a complete offensive 3-level scorer. Cadeau and Wilson won't be offensive studs next season.

The bench needs a ton of work. Disappointing this season because I thought Ian Jackson would give them more consistent fire power off the bench. You probably need to bring in a portal guy who is used to coming off the bench more than relying on freshmen used to starting. Obviously, this team also needs more big bodies too. If you're starting Wilson and a non-shooting 5, you also need a 4 that can shoot it some.
McCants has a year of eligibility left, right?
 
We don't need another SG. Jackson faded enough that the pros will want him to play another year in college.
I'm not so sure about that. His numbers ended at 20 points per 40 minutes, over 50% from two, and 40% from three. Given his plus size and athleticism, there's surely a spot for him on an NBA roster if he wants it. He didn't do a lot beyond offense, and I'm not very rosy on his prospects, but I think he has enough upside to make a roster.

And honestly, I don't think he was so good that I'd prioritize him over a proven stud transfer SG if we could find him. Big upgrades on defense and bb IQ are attainable, and I'd take someone with a little less on-ball dynamism (provided we retain Cadeau) if they bring those things + shooting.
 
Better get used to another year of iso ball then.
Has Hubert shown the ability to coach anything else?

We're throwing money at the problem with a GM, his staff, and lots of NIL. Since Hubert is the coach, we need to get top level free lancers. Because we don't do much to set up our players other than pass the ball around hoping someone gets open (and that's on a good day).
 
I'm not so sure about that. His numbers ended at 20 points per 40 minutes, over 50% from two, and 40% from three. Given his plus size and athleticism, there's surely a spot for him on an NBA roster if he wants it. He didn't do a lot beyond offense, and I'm not very rosy on his prospects, but I think he has enough upside to make a roster.

And honestly, I don't think he was so good that I'd prioritize him over a proven stud transfer SG if we could find him. Big upgrades on defense and bb IQ are attainable, and I'd take someone with a little less on-ball dynamism (provided we retain Cadeau) if they bring those things + shooting.
Oh, I still expect him to be drafted. But the end of this season it almost looked like Hubert was trying to lower Ian's draft value. And might have succeeded.
 
I don't mean to pile on Hubert. There are plenty of people that will do that here.

But how many times this season was UNC just horrendous and looked unprepared/unmotivated at the start of the game? They were so freaking passive and unenergetic to start today. Effort should never be a variable, but it especially shouldn't be a variable in the first 10 minutes of a game.
You shouldn’t have to coach effort & I believe HD said he was having to do that and wasn’t use to it. Effort is up the players and having played a couple years of Juco no one will convince me otherwise.. This team desperately lacked leadership & toughness .. they needed someone like a Harrison Ingram or Cormac Ryan to lead by example
 
Has Hubert shown the ability to coach anything else?

We're throwing money at the problem with a GM, his staff, and lots of NIL. Since Hubert is the coach, we need to get top level free lancers. Because we don't do much to set up our players other than pass the ball around hoping someone gets open (and that's on a good day).
True! And answer me this - is this what we are paying many $mil per year at one of top coach jobs in country? Not to coach X’s and O’s, not to develop individual players? Or develop the team to be greater than sum of parts?

Instead be a freaking $ multi million rah rah cheerleader? wtf. I’m out on it.

If this seems harsh - I ask any hub supporter to point to one single player or aspect of the team that is better than last year or that got better over this year.

And if you say it’s portal failure well that is on hub too. Did he really think wash and Tyson was the answer? With Lubin and wit being reinforcement for front liner (weakest big starter ever at UNC$ Wash
 
An Assistant or 2 need to step down and find employment elsewhere. Davis and crew can not coach and changes need to happen. Doesn’t matter what players are brought in when the coach can’t coach.
 
Has Hubert shown the ability to coach anything else?

We're throwing money at the problem with a GM, his staff, and lots of NIL. Since Hubert is the coach, we need to get top level free lancers. Because we don't do much to set up our players other than pass the ball around hoping someone gets open (and that's on a good day).
Carolina deserves a better coach but apparently Hubert is coming back. How could he have played his formative years under Dean and organize his team with such limited tools available? How can this product be so simple and easily defended? It is a failed coaching performance, it is what it is, there are no changes coming. Only the names of the players will change.
 
Has Hubert shown the ability to coach anything else?

We're throwing money at the problem with a GM, his staff, and lots of NIL. Since Hubert is the coach, we need to get top level free lancers. Because we don't do much to set up our players other than pass the ball around hoping someone gets open (and that's on a good day).
I think Hubert had to play more iso ball offense this season. This team didn't have enough skill up front to do the things UNC teams traditionally. Look at when Withers really shined this season. He was mainly parked in the corner offensively. Anything else he tried to do was really inconsistent. He tried an iso post up over a guard today and you could see a charge coming from a mile away.

I know some have said play Washington at the 4.... Idk. Maybe Washington just isn't all that good?

His hands were tied this season. Now, not saying his offense was good enough. I think if you're going to be really small, your offense needs to be really creative predicated on player movement and misdirection. That wasn't the design. Once he decided to go bigger, I thought most of the offense would be getting a matchup and attacking the matchup 1-on-1, then kick it out to a shooter if there's help. There wasn't much layering to this offense, but it also wasn't the most talented offense we've ever seen.

There are people here that said if UNC played traditional UNC basketball, this would be a top 10 team are worst. I think that's absolute insanity, lol. This is one of the most limited UNC teams that I can recall.
 
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He does a podcast with Arenas and basically called Roy a racist on one episode
I will always love Rashad McCants. One of my favorite players ever in my lifetime.

However, I think he's the dumbest human being on the planet. And that's saying something. Because as George Carlin said about how many stupid people there are in this country... "Imagine how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
 
I don't mean to pile on Hubert. There are plenty of people that will do that here.

But how many times this season was UNC just horrendous and looked unprepared/unmotivated at the start of the game? They were so freaking passive and unenergetic to start today. Effort should never be a variable, but it especially shouldn't be a variable in the first 10 minutes of a game.
His teams have been bad to start the season 3 of 4 years as well, even last year was wobbly early. I’m not sure how the roster can be the biggest problem and still be able to come back from 20 pt first half deficits against quality teams so many times.
 
I think Hubert had to play an iso ball offense this season. This team didn't have enough skill up front to do the things UNC teams traditionally. Look at when Withers really shined this season. He was mainly parked in the corner offensively. Anything else he tried to do was really inconsistent. He tried an iso post up over a guard today and you could see a charge coming from a mile away.

I know some have said play Washington at the 4.... Idk. Maybe Washington just isn't all that good?

His hands were tied this season. Now, not saying his offense was good enough. I think if you're going to be really small, your offense needs to be really creative predicated on player movement and misdirection. That wasn't the design. But his hands were tied this season. It's his roster so he gets the blame.

There are people here that said if UNC played traditional UNC basketball, this would be a top 10 team are worst. I think that's absolute insanity, lol. This is one of the most limited UNC teams that I can recall.
Hubert put this limited roster together - it didn’t just happen to him.
 
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Carolina deserves a better coach but apparently Hubert is coming back. How could he have played his formative years under Dean and organize his team with such limited tools available? How can this product be so simple and easily defended? It is a failed coaching performance, it is what it is, there are no changes coming. Only the names of the players will change.
If the "throw money at the problem" solution gives Hubert more Brady Maneks and Harrison Ingrams and Armando Bacots then he's shown he can do well with teams like that.

I worry that a lot of teams that may have been late to the party will also be throwing money at the problem this portal. So it might not be as easy as we hope to land those players. Meaning Hubert will have to show he can make better use of what he gets. And who knows, maybe he can do that.
 
I think Hubert had to play more iso ball offense this season. This team didn't have enough skill up front to do the things UNC teams traditionally. Look at when Withers really shined this season. He was mainly parked in the corner offensively. Anything else he tried to do was really inconsistent. He tried an iso post up over a guard today and you could see a charge coming from a mile away.

I know some have said play Washington at the 4.... Idk. Maybe Washington just isn't all that good?

His hands were tied this season. Now, not saying his offense was good enough. I think if you're going to be really small, your offense needs to be really creative predicated on player movement and misdirection. That wasn't the design. Once he decided to go bigger, I thought most of the offense would be getting a matchup and attacking the matchup 1-on-1, then kick it out to a shooter if there's help. There wasn't much layering to this offense, but it also wasn't the most talented offense we've ever seen.

There are people here that said if UNC played traditional UNC basketball, this would be a top 10 team are worst. I think that's absolute insanity, lol. This is one of the most limited UNC teams that I can recall.
We ended the season with the team reasonably well-configured and playing pretty well. Some mythical better coach would have gotten us to this point a month or 2 earlier - and then that better-configured team could have developed together by playing together to improve further. But is that true or just wishful thinking?

I would love to hear what Hubert thinks he learned from this season. Who knows, maybe he learned a lot that will serve us well going forward.
 
We ended the season with the team reasonably well-configured and playing pretty well. Some mythical better coach would have gotten us to this point a month or 2 earlier - and then that better-configured team could have developed together by playing together to improve further. But is that true or just wishful thinking?

I would love to hear what Hubert thinks he learned from this season. Who knows, maybe he learned a lot that will serve us well going forward.
They played 7 absolutely abysmal teams. They played a good Duke team without the best player in the country. And Wake was a 1 possession game at the 4 minute mark in the second half.

Then they played probably the worst offensive team of all the at large teams in the play in round.

The schedule made them look better than they are IMO. This Ole Miss game is how they've looked basically all season. Thus the controversy of them getting into the NCAA Tournament.
 
True! And answer me this - is this what we are paying many $mil per year at one of top coach jobs in country? Not to coach X’s and O’s, not to develop individual players? Or develop the team to be greater than sum of parts?

Instead be a freaking $ multi million rah rah cheerleader? wtf. I’m out on it.

If this seems harsh - I ask any hub supporter to point to one single player or aspect of the team that is better than last year or that got better over this year.

And if you say it’s portal failure well that is on hub too. Did he really think wash and Tyson was the answer? With Lubin and wit being reinforcement for front liner (weakest big starter ever at UNC$ Wash
We've seen players get better while playing for Hubert, but it's not clear to me that they got better because of Hubert.

Hard to know without being there.
 
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They played 7 absolutely abysmal teams. They played a good Duke team without the best player in the country. And Wake was a 1 possession game at the 4 minute mark in the second half.

Then they played probably the worst offensive team of all the at large teams in the play in round.

The schedule made them look better than they are IMO. This Ole Miss game is how they've looked basically all season. Thus the controversy of them getting into the NCAA Tournament.
And yet . . . that 2nd half comeback almost succeeded. To me that suggests the components are good, but the coaching is suspect.

It's certainly possible that other good coaches would have done worse with these players. But I don't believe it. Do you?
 
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Over his last 25 games, Seth Trimble shot 11/66 (16.7%) from 3PT. 39.1% FG.

I didn't realize how inefficient he was during the vast majority of the season. And that's including him finishing the regular season on a 4-game heater.

Ouch.
 
Hubert put this limited roster together - it didn’t just happen to him.
He did put it together but who expected RJ to not have a season similar to last year when he usually couldn't miss, especially in the clutch? And, who knew that Cade Tyson would be a bust--he was rated in the top 5 portal transfers by many.
 
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