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Not really trying for a Rodney Dangerfield moment here, but....

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....we don't get no respect!

Go to collegefootballnews.com and check out the UNC/uva preview. We are a "mystery" team, we "haven't beaten anyone", our run D sux, it's " going to cost UNC at some point when they have to play anyone". Look, all valid points to some degree (although Ill. is more than a nobody at 4-2).

But it's as if the writers can't wait to write that we arent any good. I could understand had we just slipped by Wake. But we pounded them basically into submission in one 29 pt. quarter. We came back down 21 ON THE ROAD vs. a team everybody said wouldn't lose a 3rd straight, certainly not at home, and certainly not to such a flawed team such as UNC. We beat the Illini by 34 in methodical, convincing in every way fashion.

Screw it. C'mon Heels...just perform a football version of a vivisection on the Hoos on Sat. Destroy them....make college football respect us, and put the Coastal on notice that we are here to compete.
 
I really couldn't care less what any sports writer thinks of us, much less some two-bit hack from a site I've never even heard of. We have no reason to carry a chip on our shoulder and go out looking from someone to knock it off.

P.S. That guy thinks we had a bye week last week ("Carolina got two weeks to prepare for Virginia. It needed just one."). Hurr durr.
 
The thing is, I see both sides on this. Would I like us to be in the top 25 and people thinking we're the favorites for the Coastal? Sure. But if people want to sleep on us, that's fine too. Makes it sweeter when we win. If we keep winning, that will shut the doubters up.

As for the "poor competition," most teams out there haven't played their biggest games at this point in the season. We have 3 wins against power 5 schools, and it's not our fault GT is in a freefall (4 of their losses have come against teams that are currently undefeated in ACC play). When it comes to the "class of the ACC," you can make arguments for our place against any of them. 2 of FSU's ACC wins are against Wake and BC, who are currently a combined 1-7 in league play. They beat those teams by a combined 22 points, we beat Wake by 36. We have averaged 44 PPG in ACC games (highest in the league, I might add), Clemson has averaged 32.3. Duke's best win is at home against GT, ours is on the road against GT. They barely beat BC, and their combined ACC point differential through 2 games is +16. Ours is +43. Pitt is 3-0 in the ACC, but I wouldn't call any of their wins impressive. They beat VT by 4, UVA by 7 and GT by 3. Only one of their 5 wins was decided by more than 8 points, while only one of our wins was decided by fewer than 27. Sleep on the Heels at your own risk, but this is a team that is capable of beating almost anyone in the ACC. That doesn't mean we will, but the pieces are coming into place. Let the doubters keep doubting, because as long as we keep winning, there won't be anything for them to say.
 
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heelz2345 said:
The thing is, I see both sides on this. Would I like us to be in the top 25 and people thinking we're the favorites for the Coastal? Sure. But if people want to sleep on us, that's fine too. Makes it sweeter when we win. If we keep winning, that will shut the doubters up.

As for the "poor competition," most teams out there haven't played their biggest games at this point in the season. We have 3 wins against power 5 schools, and it's not our fault GT is in a freefall (4 of their losses have come against teams that are currently undefeated in ACC play). When it comes to the "class of the ACC," you can make arguments for our place against any of them. 2 of FSU's ACC wins are against Wake and BC, who are currently a combined 1-7 in league play. They beat those teams by a combined 22 points, we beat Wake by 36. We have averaged 44 PPG in ACC games (highest in the league, I might add), Clemson has averaged 32.3. Duke's best win is at home against GT, ours is on the road against GT. They barely beat BC, and their combined ACC point differential through 2 games is +16. Ours is +43. Pitt is 3-0 in the ACC, but I wouldn't call any of their wins impressive. They beat VT by 4, UVA by 7 and GT by 3. Only one of their 5 wins was decided by more than 8 points, while only one of our wins was decided by fewer than 27. Sleep on the Heels at your own risk, but this is a team that is capable of beating almost anyone in the ACC. That doesn't mean we will, but the pieces are coming into place. Let the doubters keep doubting, because as long as we keep winning, there won't be anything for them to say.
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dook seems to have gotten a lot of mileage out of the some what close loss to Northwestern who beat Stanford. Since then Northwestern has been smoked by UM and Iowa.
 
HeelFan58 said:
dook seems to have gotten a lot of mileage out of the some what close loss to Northwestern who beat Stanford. Since then Northwestern has been smoked by UM and Iowa.
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Yep that loss to Northwestern is looking less and less 'impressive' with each passing week. NW basically is BC....exceptional defense, horrendous offense.
 
I'd LOVE it if our team played w/ a chip on its shoulder. Historically, I think we tend to try to play too "cool" and without requisite urgency.
 
I knew it was going to happen, but it's very frustrating that Duke and Pitt both went up in the polls, while we remain unranked. They both won literally in the final second of both games against teams with losing records and that is a positive for people, meanwhile, we win by two possessions against a team with a losing record, and people just want to talk about how we struggled. I'm sick of people talking about how we haven't played anyone, so I did a little research. Here are the combined records of the teams we have played compared to the teams Duke and Pitt have played.

Combined record of Pitt's opponents: 24-27 (47% winning percentage)
Combined record of teams Pitt beat: 17-27 (38.6% winning percentage)
Pitt's record against teams with a winning record: 0-1

Combined record of Duke's opponents: 23-31 (42.6% winning percentage)
Combined record of teams Duke beat: 17-29 (36.9% winning percentage)
Duke's record against teams with a winning record: 1-1

Combined record of UNC's opponents: 24-27 (47% winning percentage)
Combined record of teams UNC beat: 21-23 (47.7% winning percentage)
UNC's record against teams with a winning record: 2-0

Also, I keep hearing about Duke's defense, but there are 7 teams in the ACC out of 14 that have allowed fewer PPG in league play than Duke. In order, Clemson, BC, FSU, UNC, Pitt, NCSU, and Louisville have given up fewer PPG than Duke in ACC play. Clemson and UNC are 1-2 in the ACC in PPG in ACC play (Clemson 38.75, UNC 38), while Duke is tied for 3rd with Syracuse and Pitt is 8th. UNC is doing better in points scored and allowed in ACC play than both Pitt and Duke, and yet, we're the ones not ranked. In fact, we are the only Power 5 team with one loss or fewer that isn't ranked.

Like I said earlier, I hope teams keep sleeping on us, doubting us, writing us off, because as long as we keep winning, we are going to make them have to take notice.
 
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I knew it was going to happen, but it's very frustrating that Duke and Pitt both went up in the polls, while we remain unranked. They both won literally in the final second of both games against teams with losing records and that is a positive for people, meanwhile, we win by two possessions against a team with a losing record, and people just want to talk about how we struggled. I'm sick of people talking about how we haven't played anyone, so I did a little research. Here are the combined records of the teams we have played compared to the teams Duke and Pitt have played.

Combined record of Pitt's opponents: 24-27 (47% winning percentage)
Combined record of teams Pitt beat: 17-27 (38.6% winning percentage)
Pitt's record against teams with a winning record: 0-1

Combined record of Duke's opponents: 23-31 (42.6% winning percentage)
Combined record of teams Duke beat: 17-29 (36.9% winning percentage)
Duke's record against teams with a winning record: 1-1

Combined record of UNC's opponents: 24-27 (47% winning percentage)
Combined record of teams UNC beat: 21-23 (47.7% winning percentage)
UNC's record against teams with a winning record: 2-0

Also, I keep hearing about Duke's defense, but there are 7 teams in the ACC out of 14 that have allowed fewer PPG in league play than Duke. In order, Clemson, BC, FSU, UNC, Pitt, NCSU, and Louisville have given up fewer PPG than Duke in ACC play. Clemson and UNC are 1-2 in the ACC in PPG in ACC play (Clemson 38.75, UNC 38), while Duke is tied for 3rd with Syracuse and Pitt is 8th. UNC is doing better in points scored and allowed in ACC play than both Pitt and Duke, and yet, we're the ones not ranked. In fact, we are the only Power 5 team with one loss or fewer that isn't ranked.

Like I said earlier, I hope teams keep sleeping on us, doubting us, writing us off, because as long as we keep winning, we are going to make them have to take notice.
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dook good defense against bad teams.
 
Archer2 said:
A win Thursday and they won't be able to keep us out of the top 25. Keeps the team and staff hungry and focused.
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I'm inclined to agree, however, knowing how this season has gone, a win against Pitt will only have everyone saying "Well, Pitt wasn't as good as their record indicates, UNC still hasn't really beaten anyone." :confused:
 
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The only poll that matters is the one that comes out next week. We win Thursday and I predict we will be included.
 
At this point in the season, most top teams have been coasting for the most part, picking up some gimmes to pad the final record - the rankings are still largely a "PR Contest". However, we're now getting down to the real serious games down the stretch. And as a result, the current top ranked teams have to put up or drop in the rankings. If UNC is really a good team, mentally as well as talent wise, it will show in these last 5 regular season games, 3 of which are on the road! So as a practical matter, with their current record, the table is set to have a very good season. all they have to do is keep on winning. And if they aren't able to do that (barring more officiating equivalent to the crap we've experienced the past 2 weeks) they will prove that they're still not quite ready for prime time. The next 5 weeks should be VERY interesting to follow.
 
Pitt guy here - you should be ranked and I couldn't argue against the view that you should be ranked ahead of us. It's true - we haven't crushed anyone. But we have won on the road, and that's never easy. So I presume we're getting extra credit for the road wins plus the last second loss at Iowa.

But this sure gives your guys motivation for Thursday, which I don't like.

I think we have a well coached team, but we're not nearly as athletic as you across the board. I think another close Pitt win or a NC blowout, but I'm going with the close Pitt win! Pitt 17 - NC 16.
 
Pitt has a good D, but I think we score at least 27 if we play a relatively clean game, with no huge game-changing pick sixes or returned fumbles.

And while I think Pitt's rush game will give us trouble, we seem to be pretty salty in the redzone. If we make you guys kick FGs, I think we win.

UNC 31, Pitt 23
 
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Pitt guy here - you should be ranked and I couldn't argue against the view that you should be ranked ahead of us. It's true - we haven't crushed anyone. But we have won on the road, and that's never easy. So I presume we're getting extra credit for the road wins plus the last second loss at Iowa.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to argue against you guys being included, you're 6-1 and have won 4 games in the ACC. My point is solely I believe we have, at the minimum, a comparable resume and therefore, I don't see how one can be included and not the other. I do think you guys have done well so I really am not trying to bash you guys or Duke (well, I might be trying to bash Duke a little ;)), I just don't like the implication that people are trying to dismiss our accomplishments when they are within striking distance of most of the other top teams in the ACC.
 
But UNC being held to completely different standards in terms of assessment is the norm. No need to get all torqued over it. Just win. It is the way of the ABC media....create impossibly high standards and then when we dont "reach" them, gleefully proclaim us a "disappointment". Hell, if we go 9-3 and Dook goes 8-4, the media will portray it as an overachieving Dook team vs. a UNC team that "can't close and continues to disappoint".

Been that way around these parts for decades.
 
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UNCGridironFanatic said:
But UNC being held to completely different standards in terms of assessment is the norm. No need to get all torqued over it. Just win. It is the way of the ABC media....create impossibly high standards and then when we dont "reach" them, gleefully proclaim us a "disappointment". Hell, if we go 9-3 and Dook goes 8-4, the media will portray it as an overachieving Dook team vs. a UNC team that "can't close and continues to disappoint".

Been that way around these parts for decades.
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True
 
Duke is a media darling because they've just popped out of the toilet the past couple years. We don't get any respect because we always drop the ball. Year after year. It's not surprising no wants to go out on a limb after the way our defence has been the past few years. People don't forget a defence giving up 70. Our defence is much improved, undoubtedly, but the next couple of weeks are big for UNC in alot more ways than 1.
 
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Duke is a media darling because they've just popped out of the toilet the past couple years. We don't get any respect because we always drop the ball. Year after year. It's not surprising no wants to go out on a limb after the way our defence has been the past few years. People don't forget a defence giving up 70. Our defence is much improved, undoubtedly, but the next couple of weeks are big for UNC in alot more ways than 1.
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unfortunately the image of dook football is a program on the rise, and that needs to change. a win over dook on nov. 7 is VITAL for this program to prove last year's win was not a fluke and it's CAROLINA on the rise -- not those jerks in durham.
 
JimmyinVA said:
unfortunately the image of dook football is a program on the rise, and that needs to change. a win over dook on nov. 7 is VITAL for this program to prove last year's win was not a fluke and it's CAROLINA on the rise -- not those jerks in durham.
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Lol how many times do we have to beat them before one of our wins against them is legitimate?? We are 22-3 against them (20-3 if you want to exclude our vacated wins) since 1990. TWENTY-TWO AND THREE.
 
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Someone posted this on the Pitt board so thought I'd paste it here, to add perspective to the rankings a bit...

Pitt is barely ranked. UNC is barely not ranked. #23 Pitt got 161 points. #27 UNC got 46 points. We're 115 points apart. How small is 115 points?

#13 Utah (838 pts) and #14 Oklahoma (697 pts) are further apart.
#17 FSU (571 pts) and #18 Houston (411 pts) are further apart.
#7 Alabama (1163 pts) and #8 MSU (1062) are almost as far apart.
#16 Memphis (660 pts) and #17 FSU (571 pts) are almost as far apart.
#22 Duke (274 pts) and #23 Pitt (161 pts) are almost exactly as far apart.
 
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I really don't care about the polls until the last couple of weeks of the season.
 
To be clear, I don't care about polls at this point, either. I do care about this crazy notion that we've been underachievers for a decade, and that label means we are doomed to fail and therefore not respected as a legit team in the manner of Dook, Pitt, etc.

One, when the dumbass media sets the bar higher than the program's realistic ability to achieve said bar, why isn't the narrative that "we" (media) blew it on this team; they are short on A or B, and therefore a yr. or two away?? Instead, they label the program as "underachieving". It was patently RIDICULOUS to say we should have contended in 13 or 14 for the Coastal....13 was a full rebuild from serious personnel losses across the board....14, we lost our starting RAM and 3 DTs in the 2 deep to academics one month from the season's start in an already thin D that couldn't afford attrition! Contention for honors was out of the question. 6-7 W seasons were realistic goals. But instead, the program gets a pejorative label. No other program deals w/ the ridiculous expectations that we do, relative to where we typically operate in the game's hierarchy.
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
Lol how many times do we have to beat them before one of our wins against them is legitimate?? We are 22-3 against them (20-3 if you want to exclude our vacated wins) since 1990. TWENTY-TWO AND THREE.
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i agree with you it's unfair to ignore the big picture over the years, but, as crazy heel pointed out, dook is viewed as a program on the rise since their current coach took over a few years ago -- fair or not. public perceptions are often myopic, and untrue, but with two wins in a row we can do some damage to this "dook on the rise" opinion among fans and the media. you're talking about what's fair and true; crazy heel and i are talking about what's perceived.
 
JimmyinVA said:
i agree with you it's unfair to ignore the big picture over the years, but, as crazy heel pointed out, dook is viewed as a program on the rise since their current coach took over a few years ago -- fair or not. public perceptions are often myopic, and untrue, but with two wins in a row we can do some damage to this "dook on the rise" opinion among fans and the media. you're talking about what's fair and true; crazy heel and i are talking about what's perceived.
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Agreed, but it's just annoying because even if you look at just Cutcliffe's tenure, Carolina is 5-2 against Duke during that time (3-2 if you want to exclude the 'vacated wins' -- but still, we won those games).
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
Agreed, but it's just annoying because even if you look at just Cutcliffe's tenure, Carolina is 5-2 against Duke during that time (3-2 if you want to exclude the 'vacated wins' -- but still, we won those games).
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Has that old hair dyeing geezer been at dook 7 years already?
 
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