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Yep
Fedora wanted high flying offense, and almost ignored the D. Mack plans to run a wide open passing attack, but he is making certain he gets a big upgrade in talent on D.
Mack is doing it the right way.
That is the lesson that Dabo learned after WVU torched his D in the Orange Bowl. And after Mack came back to UNC, there was an article (which I thinkI linked here) in which he said that after that Orange Bowl embarrassment, Dabo picked his brain. I'll bet that Mack told him that the only way to safeguard a high scoring spread offense was to have real talent on D, which would require a total refocus in the way Clemson hired a staff and recruited.
Dabo did that, and now he has 2 National Championships.
I’m lovin’ the renewed optimism Mack is generating.
Are there a bunch of 4* studs in this class defensively that I didn't notice? Looks like mostly mid-tier 3* to me.
Mack lucked into getting Wisdom Asaboro. He definitely earned Asante, but Asante's recruitment was weird because it was late and he never attended one of our ghost-town empty stadium gamedays.
Getting great D players to UNC isn't easy because of our academics stuff (ask Marquis Haynes, Jordan Riley, Greg Webb, Shawn Underwood), etc, and because our fan base is pathetically late and quiet - ask Dax. It wasn't the helicopter that turned off Dax and Payton Wilson it was the pathetic gameday.
Mack implored people in his press-conf yesterday to show up and buy seats. He was dead serious. Fans/gameday are what bring in defensive recruits, those guys get-off on the noise and intensity of the crowd and kenan has been lame since Butch was fired.
4* Lawless, 4* Asante and 4* West, 4* Sinclair in next years class. Helluva good start to me.
Lawless - last yr's haul, not this yrs. Prior regime gets credit for that one.
Asante is a 3* on rivals. He might be good, but we still got more 4* D players in 2018 than 2019.
West - who?
Sinclair - we're talking about this yr, not 2020
The comment, which I replied to, from Woad was about how the prior regime ignored defensive players and how this class was so drastically different. I don't see the difference in terms of big-name players. Asante and Wisdom are probably the biggest names, but that probably equals Brant Lawless/Chris Collins for 2018, or Lawler/Shaw/Cotman from 2017.... and Wisdom was coming here regardless. UVA was lucky to get him for a visit but he was always coming here.
I'm excited about the flips, but this classes strength appears to be on the offensive side, much like prior regime's. Go review the prior yrs and include Brant on them, and you'll see what I mean - which is contrary to what Woad said.
That’s enough talent to get prison raped by Clemson or Bama in the CFP.
Unless we can recruit with them, we ain’t gonna be better than 9-10 wins. FTR, I would be over the moon happy to win 8-9 consistently
Mack will get better defensive players than Larry. But it won’t be for not trying. Unc and Larry offered plenty of studs. They just didnt want to come here.
Can’t blame them when they knew they’d be on the field 40 minutes a game.
Nah, gotta give Mack and company credit for keeping Lawless here considering he hasn't played a down. I'm talking about what Mack has done since he's gotten year, not just this year. Getting multiple 4 * recruits a year ahead, in only his first 2-3 months? HUGE. Asante is a 4* PER 247 Sports. He'll be the most important Frosh in this years class, IMO.
So you're comparing Fedora and his what, 6 years here to Mack and his 3 months? Seems legit. I don't need to review the classes, I know what Fedora did and didn't do.
10 of the top 13 players in this class are on the defensive side. But sure, it's all about offense?
Well then you are clearly changing the subject and trying to make some arg about an entirely different point. Have at it.
Per ESPN, 6 of top 8 are offense. Per rivals top 4 are offense. So again, that looks familiar.
Each site will be different. I'm not going to complain when we brought in 5 DB's, 6 defensive linemen along with one of the better LB's in this years class.
You do know Mack just got here, right? Getting Ethan West and Sinclair to commit now is a huge statement.
Enjoy the ride.
You do know Mack just got here, right? Getting Ethan West and Sinclair to commit now is a huge statement.
Enjoy the ride.
The 2020 class is all Mack. In three months, he's gotten multiple 4* defensive players thus far. But yes, it's all about the offense.
Of course, but I was arguing against the "ignored D" or "didn't emphasize D" statements. Your note about West and Sinclair reminds me that last spring Fed had Hakeem Beamon and Payton Wilson who both bailed largely due to crappy gameday rather than being ignored.
There aren't many coaches in any sport that "ignore" one side of the ball. Some emphasize special teams a bit more (like Fedora and Beamer), but i'm not familiar with coaches who "ignore" one side of the ball. If they do, they don't fire a guy then hire Gene Chizik out of retirement, they don't commit Beamon, Payton, get into the final two for Jordan Davis, Rick Sandidge, Dax, etc.
Payton listened too much to DD and his trashing of Fed and UNC. DD doesn't have much to knock on a current Hall-of-famer and National Champion in Mack. Ticket sales look to be pretty solid thus far, looking forward to a loud and rowdy Kenan this fall.
We're in the running for one 5 star DE from NC and 3 larger 4 star SDEs from NC. The bigger guys are suited for a 3-4 so they are not just WSDEs.
I suspect we'll land at least 3 top 300, maybe more like top 200, DL recruits next year but maybe that's optimistic.
We don't know yet who is being recruited for NG but I am sure we're looking. There's one emerging NC prospect that's intriguing. Isn't rated as high but the light seems to have just come on for the guy, and he has prototypical size for a NG. May not be rated top 300 even if he keeps improving but he's in-state and looks like a real possibility. We haven't offered yet, however.
Lawless fell into out lap because Tennessee fired Butch Jones. Lawless had become close to the staff, and so was ready to look elsewhere. he'd liked Thigpen, and Thigpen came back to UNC.
And yes, credit must be given to Butch and Bateman, as well as Thig, for keeping him.
Mack in talking about all the signees for 2019 seems clear he intends Asaboro for DL, and as he said he could play 350, I assume Mack wants him as NG by 2020. Mack also noted that Asim Richards could play DT - he already is 290 and could play at 325 or so. And we have had talk of McKethan trying DT. McKethan might be able to carry 360 and play NG.
I think Mack and Bateman want several very large guys to rotate at NG, keeping a fresh giant in there every series.
That is a plan I approve. Make the D very aggressive from inside out, starting with the NG position. Have 3 very large NGs ready to play multiple downs every game.
So looking forward to the upcoming year. My son and I have purchased our season tickets along with my childhood best friend and his wife.
I thinks it’s pretty obvious that Mack is emphasizing the recruitment of defensive players more than Fed did. I couldn’t be happier about it because I’ve felt our defense has been mediocre at best for quite a few years now. I love a high powered offense but I want to see a solid, fundamentally sound defense as well, one that is in the right position to make plays and then makes them.
I don’t feel like we ever consistently tackled well under the last staff. Nothing bothers me more than poor tackling and penalties caused by poor discipline, both consistent issues under Fed. I expect to see that change almost immediately.
I don’t feel like we ever consistently tackled well under the last staff. Nothing bothers me more than poor tackling and penalties caused by poor discipline, both consistent issues under Fed. I expect to see that change almost immediately.
