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Now, my MIDDLE name is racist! Thanks, Julianne!

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First my mother's first name (Dixie) is deemed offensive.

Now, my middle name (Stuart, named after my great-great uncle JEB Stuart, like my grandfather) is now offensive and racist.

Thanks, Julianne Moore.
 
"No one should have to apologize for the name of the public high school you attended and the history of racism it represents...."

So stop apologizing.
Does JEB Stuart get any kind of pass since he owned no slaves? I doubt they'd cut Stonewall Jackson any slack either. He never owned a slave.

Never lose a war and then rejoin the country you just fought. A lesson for all of us!
 
rejoin????
I was being facetious... unlike Julianne Moore.

Here's a woman in her mid-50's who is now obsessed with the NAME of her high school to the point where she is now wanting them to change it. I would bet my balls that when she went to the school, she had NO issue whatsoever with the school's name. Now, it's popular, almost required, that if you're a "sensitive person" you have to want to change anything and everything that has any direct or remote reference to the Confederacy. As if, somehow, you're responsible for what these people did 150 years ago. And, by simply allowing the name of a school to remain the name it has been for 60 years or more, you're somehow advancing racial prejudice, because it is the name of a Confederate general. And, of course, she wants to call it Thurgood Marshall High School. I'm not knocking Marshall, but I'm sure he already has a few schools with his name. JEB Stuart wasn't the devil incarnate because he felt he was defending his home.
 
I would bet your balls, too.
And, I'd win both times.

I still love Maude Lebowski and Amber Waves. She even did a great Sarah Palin in Game Change.

She's from Falls Church, VA. I know the NOVA/DC area is pretty detached from it's southern ancestral past, but... who knows. Almost my entire family, both sides, is in and around Richmond. Virginia is really going full-blast to cut Confederate ties. My mom said that the SCV can no longer have personalized licensed plates in VA. That's really a shame because the SCV, out of any other group, actually deserves that flag as a symbol. They are not a racist group at all, from my perspective. They're like a living history/historical society. I think the rest of the USA wants the South to act like we are/were the Nazis in German history and be ashamed of ourselves... even though all of those people have been dead for over a century (almost), and I don't think they were quite as maniacal as Nazis, but I'm sure people like Julianne feel differently. The white guilt is really on the rise. It probably gets you more "likes" on Facebook.
 
It's all about posturing and feigned outrage. Strum's right on this one, white guilt gets TONS of likes on Facebook and air time in the media.
Most of these vapid Hollywood types couldn't think their way out of a wet paper sack.
 
I think you're exactly right. I'm trying to see it from that perspective. What if it were named Adolf Hitler High School? Would you feel differently about changing the name?
Would I feel differently? Probably not. But, then again, I'm not most people!
If it were a German school? It might make me raise an eyebrow, but I would hardly get unnerved by it. I still think Adolf Hitler has a different impact on history than the American South, or antebellum South. The racial injustices are terrible- from ALL episodes in history.

Using the names of Confederate icons was something that was honorable when they were named. I don't think the Germans ever felt honored by, or honorable toward, the Nazi regime after WWII. I could be wrong because I've never been there. This recent swath of guilt is possibly like a delayed reaction to what they had immediately after. I'm not sure. It's also not as universal among the public as what appears to have occurred in post-WWII Germany. Also, Germany was essentially occupied by Allied forces after the war, so it was even more forbidden to show any kind of favor toward the Nazi regime. Southerners have been reluctant to feel like their people died for an immoral cause. And, truthfully, the Southerners that fought and died, are now, literally, all dead and gone. I don't understand this perpetual need for "I'm sorry for what they did." I recognize it, I've never been on-board with it, and I never exhibit or display it in my personal interactions in my daily life. i don't believe racial inequality is an acceptable notion. The Rebel Flag, nor any other flag or symbol, doesn't make me change my mind.

This thing with names and symbols is peculiar to me. For example, with flags; I don't look at the Stars and Stripes and see "Liberty" or "Freedom" or any other trait or attribute in that piece of cloth. Colored pieces of cloth don't do that to me. At most, on a peripheral level, I just relate a geographic location to flags. No more, no less. Now, from an artistic perspective, which is instinctive for me, I'll think "man, that looks cool" or "who green-lit that design?" I have a friend from New Jersey that is in his 60's now, he recently told me "When I was a kid and first saw that Rebel flag in history class, I remember thinking 'man, I wish our flag was as cool looking as the South's flag!' " The sensitivity to race and other associations was totally absent from the visual of the flag for him!

Racism and prejudice originates from people believing they are superior to other people based on some aesthetic trait. I think it's a lot more effective making that very clear and emphasizing that manifestation of racial prejudice, in order to end it, instead of playing with scenery like street names and flags. Stop naming buildings and streets after people at all! You never know when popular opinion will go against them! And, stop building monuments to people, too! Same goes for them.
 
The renaming thing has probably gone too far, but why do you care if they change the name? It obviously is important to some people, but why is keeping the name JEB Stuart High School important? My high school could change its name to Cooterpoot McGillicuddy High School and it wouldn't faze me in the slightest.
 
The renaming thing has probably gone too far, but why do you care if they change the name? It obviously is important to some people, but why is keeping the name JEB Stuart High School important? My high school could change its name to Cooterpoot McGillicuddy High School and it wouldn't faze me in the slightest.
Right so why change it to begin with?
 
The renaming thing has probably gone too far, but why do you care if they change the name? It obviously is important to some people, but why is keeping the name JEB Stuart High School important? My high school could change its name to Cooterpoot McGillicuddy High School and it wouldn't faze me in the slightest.
You have a point, it's just names and it doesn't really matter either way.

I suppose for me, in this case, it's a direct connection to my family and my name. Why not change the United States of America to The Hypocritical Full-Of-Sh*t Land? Would be more accurate. It's more about the motivation than the actual name changes. This faux-sensitivity is grating. And, the idea that if guilt-ridden white people change all of the white-named buildings and streets to black peoples' names, then suddenly the past has been wiped of it's guilt and everything is equal. It hasn't and it won't be. It all still happened. You can dwell on it and force it to be part of your present-day life or you can move-on and try to make sure what actually DID happen doesn't happen again. What this stuff amounts to is feigned altruism. It's hollow. It's like the NCAA "vacating wins." That's absolutely impossible. The notion that you can undo that shows such stupidity.
 
We need to ban baseball. After all, the game of baseball spread rapidly throughout the U.S. during the Civil War, evolving it from a very regional sport to a more national sport. So, since it's Civil War-y, we should ban it. K thanks.
 
You have a point, it's just names and it doesn't really matter either way.

I suppose for me, in this case, it's a direct connection to my family and my name. Why not change the United States of America to The Hypocritical Full-Of-Sh*t Land? Would be more accurate. It's more about the motivation than the actual name changes. This faux-sensitivity is grating. And, the idea that if guilt-ridden white people change all of the white-named buildings and streets to black peoples' names, then suddenly the past has been wiped of it's guilt and everything is equal. It hasn't and it won't be. It all still happened. You can dwell on it and force it to be part of your present-day life or you can move-on and try to make sure what actually DID happen doesn't happen again. What this stuff amounts to is feigned altruism. It's hollow. It's like the NCAA "vacating wins." That's absolutely impossible. The notion that you can undo that shows such stupidity.
I hear you. I agree that renaming buildings is a symbolic gesture at best. It's just not something I would take the time to get involved with. Maybe if I had some special connection to the name, but it's hard for me to imagine a name I would care that much about other than my own, which I guess was your point.
 
Well, like I said, apparently it is important to some people; just not to me. If it makes others feel more welcome, great. But I really don't much care either way.
Oh I bet it's more important to 99% of the people who went to school there to keep it named what it is. But that won't matter.
 
Oh I bet it's more important to 99% of the people who went to school there to keep it named what it is. But that won't matter.
This is exactly the question I'm asking, though. Why do they care that their school is called JEB Stuart instead of Thurgood Marshall? Just because that's what it was when they were there? The name of my school means jack to me. Maybe I've lost my school spirit in my old age, if I ever had it.
 
This is exactly the question I'm asking, though. Why do they care that their school is called JEB Stuart instead of Thurgood Marshall? Just because that's what it was when they were there? The name of my school means jack to me. Maybe I've lost my school spirit in my old age, if I ever had it.
Because that's what it was/is called...?
 
This is exactly the question I'm asking, though. Why do they care that their school is called JEB Stuart instead of Thurgood Marshall? Just because that's what it was when they were there? The name of my school means jack to me. Maybe I've lost my school spirit in my old age, if I ever had it.
If the Washington Redskins change their name, I won't watch the NFL anymore. That is the name that I grew up with and I never associated anything but a football team to it. It's nothing to do with any human being that is racially associated to the name by coincidence. It's the tradition.

Tar Heels has very strong Civil War roots. It was possibly a term prior, but it gained prominence during the Civil War and North Carolina men who fought for the Confederacy.

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If the school ever changed it's nick name because of this association, I'd stop attending and watching any more of their sports. The tradition is gone.
 
If the Washington Redskins change their name, I won't watch the NFL anymore. That is the name that I grew up with and I never associated anything but a football team to it. It's nothing to do with any human being that is racially associated to the name by coincidence. It's the tradition.

Tar Heels has very strong Civil War roots. It was possibly a term prior, but it gained prominence during the Civil War and North Carolina men who fought for the Confederacy.

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If the school ever changed it's nick name because of this association, I'd stop attending and watching any more of their sports. The tradition is gone.
Good point. I guess at some point I would care. Certainly if someone suggested changing the UNC nickname, I would be against it. But that is more meaningful to me than someone's name, and the link to the Confederacy is much more attenuated. Maybe the names JEB Stuart or Saunders hold a similar place for others, but they're not anything I would get worked up over.
 
Good point. I guess at some point I would care. Certainly if someone suggested changing the UNC nickname, I would be against it. But that is more meaningful to me than someone's name, and the link to the Confederacy is much more attenuated. Maybe the names JEB Stuart or Saunders hold a similar place for others, but they're not anything I would get worked up over.
It was all attenuated... at one time.
 
I hate Stonewall Jackson. Had to salute his ass several times a day for several months. f that dude.
 
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