One and done here to stay
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That's not exactly true. As the article points out, neither side is committed to OAD surviving for the length of the agreement. Both sides want a change so it may well happen in a few years.
The one-and-done rule will remain in place, for now
One of commissioner Adam Silver's stated intentions when crafting the new CBA was raising the age minimum from 19 to 20 to enter the league. That would have effectively ended the one-and-done trend in college basketball. The NBPA supported a modified version of Silver’s plan, pushing to instate a “zero-and-two” rule like the one that exists in MLB. That rule would allow players to declare for the draft out of high school, but they must stay in school for two years if they do go to college.For now, the rules are staying the same. However, neither side is committed to keeping the current rule for the entirety of the new CBA, per Wojnarowski.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/12...etails-changes-differences-lockout?yptr=yahoo
My read is that college coaches will push for a change over the next couple of years and Calipari and K will be helpless in stopping it. I predict that within 2-3 years OAD will be gone. The NBA players want the change and that's the most important factor. I would not be surprised if the NCAA does not push for a meeting with the union and the NBA commissioner in the near future to get the ball rolling. When you have ALL the parties wanting a change, it will happen sooner than later. I hope Roy stops recruiting OADs.
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I think 2 or none is the way to go, the OAD IMO has helped the NBA and cut back on alot of thought they was good enough but wasn't draft picks!
Let em go out of high school. Some form of the baseball rule is best.
Like anyone else, let them go when ever they feel like they are ready to go, if that is right out of HS fine. The college game clicked on just fine without those kids that did not feel the need to play for a college program and it will do so again even when kids can bypass college and enter the draft.
Selfishly would like some form of the baseball rule but have to agree with the village idiot on this one.God i hate it when that happens
OMG Ken, you did find your moment of correctness before the year ended! Good job! LOL
Speeding K toward the retirement door.
I remain convinced that K will retire after next year if he meets his goals (another NC and over 1100 wins - the latter of which is virtually guaranteed). If you are right, that just makes it more certain.
Just out of curiosity why would you think that would speed up his retirement? He coached at Duke for roughly 30 years without the whole OAD thing, I'm not sure this would push him to retire. He's actually been advocating to let them go right out of high school or stay in college for 2 years.
Because he would have to recalibrate and refocus to meet the new rules. He's done it before and successfully, so that isn't the issue. The issue is that he's getting old and thinking about retiring (this is just surmise) and probably wouldn't want to go through another major makeover just to stick around one more year or so.
It could go the other way, of course. He might see it as a challenge and it might get his juices going. But most people don't react that way.
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If the NBPA wants a "zero and two" rule and Silver/the owners dont want to go back to drafting players out of high school, than that seems like a potential impasse to me.
I very seriously doubt the NBA owners would agree to draft players right out of high school again. I see zero incentive for them to do so. Now I think it highly likely that they will adopt a rule that says kids have to be two years removed from high school. Why? Because it allows them to evaluate players in a competitive environment for another year, IOW it behooves them to do so. They make the rules, not the NBAPA. Under the new CBA, the average NBA salary will increase from $5 mil per year to about $8 1/2 mil per year. That's what matters to the players, not whether some 18 year old can enter the league.
Wrong. The NBAPA wants no rule. NBA wants 2 years.
2 and 0 is the compromise route. However, they tabled it and there is really no incentive for either side to revisit it so it is probably just going to stay the same throughout the contract.
I know the NBAPA wants no rules, but they know they're not going to get that without making concessions. The increase in the average NBA salary equates to a 70% increase. Do you think they care enough about some 18 year old player to forego some of that 70% salary increase? I don't think so. In the end, all they care about is the money. Oh, and adjusting the schedules so they don't have as many back to back games. Do you think they want some 18 year old to come in and possibly displace a veteran on a roster? Not likely.
I don't think the rule is going anywhere. If it doesn't, it's something Roy will have to embrace.
An interesting excerpt re: the NFL rules on draft eligibility.
"To no surprise, the NFL isn’t thinking about dumping the current rule preventing players fewer than three years removed from high school from entering the draft. The league bases its position in part on its belief that the physical, mental, and emotional demands of pro football would make it nearly impossible for someone to have success in the NFL at an earlier age.
Even so, why should 18-year-old men be prohibited from pursuing gainful employment? If the player wants to try to play pro football after only two years, one year, or no years of college, he should be allowed to try. If he fails (and in turn squanders the chance to play college football), it’s his right to do so. The more accurate reason for the NFL’s position is that the league wants to protect its free farm system. The three-year rule forces players to play college football.
If a player is willing to choose to try to play professional football instead of college football, he should be allowed to do it, regardless of whether three years have passed since he graduated from high school. The NFL isn’t protecting the player from himself; the NFL is protecting itself against a revolt from college coaches, who would shut down access to practices and other important information relevant to the process of screening players who are eligible for the draft.
Regardless, the rule isn’t changing. It’s legal and enforceable, made part of the Collective Bargaining Agreement after the Maurice Clarett lawsuit was filed. And the union has no incentive to change the rule, since doing so potentially would take jobs away from players already in the league."
I cite this because it illustrates why the NFL/NBA want to make players play college ball and why they have no incentive to draft guys out of high school. If anything, the NBA will amend their current rule to say players have to be 2 years removed from high school, versus one. The reason baseball will sign players right out of high school is because they have an extensive farm system(A/AA/AAA), which allows them to fully evaluate a player and allow him to develop before they bring him up to the big leagues. For example, as great of a player as Derek Jeter was, he spent 3 years in the Yankee's minor league farm system before he was called up.
College programs are the farm system/minor leagues of the NFL/NBA. IOW, the more time thay can evaluate a player in college against good competition, the better able they are to determine his worth to them. The NBA has no incentive to do anything but possibly add another year to the present rule. There is certainly no incentive for them to go back to the old rule where they could declare right out of high school.
"To no surprise, the NFL isn’t thinking about dumping the current rule preventing players fewer than three years removed from high school from entering the draft. The league bases its position in part on its belief that the physical, mental, and emotional demands of pro football would make it nearly impossible for someone to have success in the NFL at an earlier age.
Even so, why should 18-year-old men be prohibited from pursuing gainful employment? If the player wants to try to play pro football after only two years, one year, or no years of college, he should be allowed to try. If he fails (and in turn squanders the chance to play college football), it’s his right to do so. The more accurate reason for the NFL’s position is that the league wants to protect its free farm system. The three-year rule forces players to play college football.
If a player is willing to choose to try to play professional football instead of college football, he should be allowed to do it, regardless of whether three years have passed since he graduated from high school. The NFL isn’t protecting the player from himself; the NFL is protecting itself against a revolt from college coaches, who would shut down access to practices and other important information relevant to the process of screening players who are eligible for the draft.
Regardless, the rule isn’t changing. It’s legal and enforceable, made part of the Collective Bargaining Agreement after the Maurice Clarett lawsuit was filed. And the union has no incentive to change the rule, since doing so potentially would take jobs away from players already in the league."
I cite this because it illustrates why the NFL/NBA want to make players play college ball and why they have no incentive to draft guys out of high school. If anything, the NBA will amend their current rule to say players have to be 2 years removed from high school, versus one. The reason baseball will sign players right out of high school is because they have an extensive farm system(A/AA/AAA), which allows them to fully evaluate a player and allow him to develop before they bring him up to the big leagues. For example, as great of a player as Derek Jeter was, he spent 3 years in the Yankee's minor league farm system before he was called up.
College programs are the farm system/minor leagues of the NFL/NBA. IOW, the more time thay can evaluate a player in college against good competition, the better able they are to determine his worth to them. The NBA has no incentive to do anything but possibly add another year to the present rule. There is certainly no incentive for them to go back to the old rule where they could declare right out of high school.
I understand your point, but I think the NFL is a little different. There is a lot of merit to football players needing to go to college before going to the NFL for safety reasons. A 165 pound RB/WR doesn't need to go straight to the NFL no matter how good he is. He just wouldn't be able to survive that physically. You could make the argument that it should be two years instead of three, but letting someone go straight to the NFL is extremely dangerous 99% of the time in my opinion.
In my opinion, I don't think the current one-and-done rule will ever change. I would love to see the baseball rule in place where high school players can either choose the NBA or two years in college, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. NBA executives don't want to go back to choosing players straight out of high school. And I just don't think players would be willing to commit to college ball for two years.
Coach K really gets a huge advantage recruiting OAD players due to Team USA basketball. The disheartening thing is once he retired as head coach they "created" a position for him.Everyone knows this was to give him unlimited time and access to the elite HS players. I guess the NCAA was fine with this position being created. It puts everyone behind the 8 ball in recruiting.Thats why you see him pulling these guys in 2-3 at a time. How the NCAA sees this as fair to everyone else is a big question they would BS an answer. Coach K is great we all know, but fair is fair and he should recruit like any other. I'm sure Roy would like unlimited communication and one on one and group meetings as well as introducing them to LeBron and Durant.
Cal does not like OAD. He would prefer to have his recruited players more than one year. Most coaches would prefer the 2 and through scenario. Roy, coach K, Cal, Self would benefit greatly
Do you really believe that, the bit about kal not liking the one & done? I have to wonder how someone could actually believe such nonsense, I mean the man actually had his walk ons apply for the NBA draft...
You may be able to offer that BS on kat's paws but excuse me for calling it what it is from the non-Ky perspective, nonsense...Kalipari is the poster child for the one & done movement and everyone knows that...
These talented kids should not have to wait at all. Eliminate the rule all together. When you are ready you are ready.
Agreed. But the fact is that very few are ready to turn pro out of high school, very few. And I think the NBA is actually doing these guys a favor by encouraging them to attend college at least one year and find out what their chances of making the NBA really are.
And in reality, the NBA has no incentive to draft high school players, none at all. I expect them to require a player to be 2 years removed from high school before too long. And I don't blame them one bit. Besides, it's not like kids don't have options, they do. The NBDL will gladly take them, or they can go overseas if they prefer.
I certainly understand the NBA's perspective. They want the best product on the floor, and a bunch of green 18 year olds isn't going to accomplish that. That being said, they and the NCAA need to work together. There is no reason why a high-schooler who is undrafted, shouldn't be able to go to college, overseas, or NBADL for that matter--agent or not--after the draft. Just like there is no reason that a 17 year old who is ready should not be allowed to go earn a living.
Athletics is the only arena where the US puts limits on an individual's ability to earn money at something that is a natural talent based on age. In other countries, these kids that are good enough are able to earn a living as soon as they are ready regardless of age. IMO that's the way it should be. Musicians, singers, and other forms of entertainment are able to earn a dollar on the given talents as soon as they are good enough. In athletics, we stunt their ability to make money. I have theories as to why, but that's a horse of a different color.
Don't freakin' even go there. Musicians, actors, etc... don't have to rely on physical strength to excel. Huge difference there. Do you see any talent scouts saying so and so is too young to "make it"? No. Because acting or singing doesn't depend on competing physically against much older, stronger competitors. Let's stop this BS about basketball players being "forced" to go to college. Ever heard of the NBDL? Those same kids can make $60,000 a year, twice what I make in a year. And if they do well, they can make millions the following year. So don't even insinuate the racial equation. It has no merit whatsoever.
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