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[uncboy10]

Over 50 million dollars from Trump’s inauguration fund was allegedly missing in January. Some of that money is allegedly from Ukrainian/Russian oligarchs. 50k in shadow payments have been confirmed and have resulted in a plea agreement. Stupid watergate continues...

Edited for corrections.

 

[tarheel0910]

To be accurate it is $50,000.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...reign-money-to-be-paid-to-inaugural-committee

 

[strummingram]

50 millions???

 

[uncboy10]

To be accurate it is $50,000.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...reign-money-to-be-paid-to-inaugural-committee

50k was definitely the amount in the plea agreement regarding Cypriot.

I believe the 50 million number I read was the total amount of funds that have not be accounted for from the inauguration. That doesn’t necessarily mean that full amount is dirty money or used for nefarious purposes. I’m looking for the story where I read it now, but I’m in the gym at the moment so I’m a little distracted

 

[BillyL]

 

[uncboy10]

Thank you for the correction @tarheel0910

50 million in potentially missing funds was the number originally reported in January.

 

[uncboy10]

50 millions???

Thank you for the correction. Fixed now

 

[tarheel0910]

Thank you for the correction @tarheel0910

50 million in potentially missing funds was the number originally reported in January.

No problem. All the shit that's happening is hard to keep straight.

 

[uncboy10]

No problem. All the shit that's happening is hard to keep straight.

No joke

 

[BillyL]

All these plea deals and folks being granted immunity of late . . . I'm really worried.

How 'bout you folks . . ?

 

[tarheel0910]

I'm not worried, but there might be a few close to your area that need to be.

 

[strummingram]

Once a swamp, always a swamp.

 

[uncboy10]

Once a swamp, always a swamp.

Doesn’t have to be always

We can vote them out

 

[strummingram]

Doesn’t have to be always

We can vote them out

Hmmmm... yeah, it COULD be done, theoretically. But, it's not going to be done. Frankly, the entire system is so broken that it probably can't be done.

 

[uncboy10]

Hmmmm... yeah, it COULD be done, theoretically. But, it's not going to be done. Frankly, the entire system is so broken that it probably can't be done.

IMHO The American public has more to do with the problem than the system. If people organized and voted instead of making facebook posts about politicians they don't like, then the system would be a lot less broken.

 

[nctransplant]

This thread deserves a big ole LOL

 

[strummingram]

IMHO The American public has more to do with the problem than the system. If people organized and voted instead of making facebook posts about politicians they don't like, then the system would be a lot less broken.

There's plenty of blame to go around.

 

[uncboy10]

There's plenty of blame to go around.

That we can definitely agree on.

 

[strummingram]

That we can definitely agree on.

Labor Day weekend has a free showtime promotion on DirecTV. Cohen's "Who Is America?" is just... awesome.

 

[uncboy10]

Labor Day weekend has a free showtime promotion on DirecTV. Cohen's "Who Is America?" is just... awesome.

I'm going to have to watch it for sure then. The clips have almost seemed to good to be real...

 

[Grayhead]

IMHO The American public has more to do with the problem than the system. If people organized and voted instead of making facebook posts about politicians they don't like, then the system would be a lot less broken.

I think people did do this. They simply did not want Hillary. Trump basically came in with a promise of a break from status quo. How he stack up is still to be seen. One side hates him to no end. The media hates him. But some still support him. Those that do are obviously targeted with the same spew that he gets.

If nothing else good comes from him being in office, maybe it tightens the reins for future candidates.

Or more celebrity types will run.

Yes strum, the system is broken beyond repair. No one is willing to come to the table without ultimatums and agendas. It's like an elementary school playground with all the hair pulling, and name calling.

 

[uncboy10]

I think people did do this. They simply did not want Hillary. Trump basically came in with a promise of a break from status quo. How he stack up is still to be seen. One side hates him to no end. The media hates him. But some still support him. Those that do are obviously targeted with the same spew that he gets.

If nothing else good comes from him being in office, maybe it tightens the reins for future candidates.

Or more celebrity types will run.

Yes strum, the system is broken beyond repair. No one is willing to come to the table without ultimatums and agendas. It's like an elementary school playground with all the hair pulling, and name calling.

More people voted for Hillary than trump. You can’t claim the public didn’t want her when she won the popular vote.

His legacy has already been written. Corruption, obscene ignorance, lying and violations of the emoluments clause have defined this administration from day one. He has convinced his supporters that anyone who criticizes him is “fake news” or even that they just “hate him.” He has attacked the justice department and the separation of powers, and embarrasses our country every single time he opens his twitter account.

He just claimed that anonymous sources are almost always fake and should be ignored, then only a few hours tweeted a story from... you guessed it. Anonymous sources.

Every piece of evidence, and every guilty plea from his inner circle, points towards conspiracy against the United States. His lawyer claims to have a tape that proves it, and it’s unlikely that he would have plead guilty if he didn’t have sufficient evidence to get a plea bargain. Trump very well may be the first sitting president to be indicted.

 

[Grayhead]

On the same token, people already knew of the corruption following Hillary. She had enough baggage to sink her ship as well, even before she ran.
We simply had 2 canadates that created a hard choice for the people.

As for trump, he has lots of allegations surrounding him. But until its proven, he will sit. I honestly wish he would shut his Twitter account down, or let his aides handle it for him.

As for the news, I hope everyone can agree that they are worthless as far a being unbiased in their coverage. They are just as guilty in dividing this country as any potus, Congress, black lives matters, ok, church, ect... every has. I would love to see a canadate rise that everyone loves. Healing this divide is far more important than who sits in office. The very existence of this country depends on that

 

[uncboy10]

Kavanaugh perjured himself in 2006 and republicans are still going to try to force his confirmation through before the midterms when they know they’re going to lose control of Congress, and Kavanaugh has basically already promised to protect trump from the bench. Trump is bad, but these republicans senators may be worse.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Kavanaugh perjured himself in 2006 and republicans are still going to try to force his confirmation through before the midterms when they know they’re going to lose control of Congress, and Kavanaugh has basically already promised to protect trump from the bench. Trump is bad, but these republicans senators may be worse.

I would rather see a moderate as a scotus nominee but you’re gonna have to explain these accusations. Perjury? Promise to protect trump? I’ve followed this closely and have no idea what you’re referring to.

 

[uncboy10]

I would rather see a moderate as a scotus nominee but you’re gonna have to explain these accusations. Perjury? Promise to protect trump? I’ve followed this closely and have no idea what you’re referring to.

Kavanaugh has publicly stated that he doesn’t believe the president has to answer a subpoena.

He testified under oath that he had not been a part of the discussion about the “advanced interrogation” program. Republicans classified an email that was sent a week later that clearly showed he was a part of that discussion.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

More people voted for Hillary than trump. You can’t claim the public didn’t want her when she won the popular vote.

His legacy has already been written. Corruption, obscene ignorance, lying and violations of the emoluments clause have defined this administration from day one. He has convinced his supporters that anyone who criticizes him is “fake news” or even that they just “hate him.” He has attacked the justice department and the separation of powers, and embarrasses our country every single time he opens his twitter account.

He just claimed that anonymous sources are almost always fake and should be ignored, then only a few hours tweeted a story from... you guessed it. Anonymous sources.

Every piece of evidence, and every guilty plea from his inner circle, points towards conspiracy against the United States. His lawyer claims to have a tape that proves it, and it’s unlikely that he would have plead guilty if he didn’t have sufficient evidence to get a plea bargain. Trump very well may be the first sitting president to be indicted.

This is all true.

And I'd vote for him over Hillary again in a heartbeat.

 

[uncboy10]

This is all true.

And I'd vote for him over Hillary again in a heartbeat.

I consider that progress. It’s refreshing to hear someone acknowledge the facts. When more moderate conservatives complain about having their names dragged through the mud, they often forget that on a daily basis we are encountering the people who would shout “fake news” at that post. I think we should all agree that is scary, and that kind of cult of personality is the fundamental basis of authoritarianism, regardless of what you think of the plausibility of a tyrant in our political system. You don’t have to believe trump could become an autocrat to be concerned about the trend of public support for autocratic behaviors like the president demanding loyalty from the justice department. I’m way more concerned with the millions of people who think that’s okay than the one man who’s actually doing it.

I despise Hillary Clinton. I’ve made that perfectly clear on numerous occasions despite several posters claiming otherwise. I think that she is more responsible for trump’s election than any other individual. I have no doubt she would have engaged in lying and corruption. But I don’t think she would have challenged the fundamental substructure of our political system. And if she did, there would be a Republican Congress ready to impeach her at the drop of a hat if they could muster a legitimate case against her. Instead we have an ignorant man baby and a Republican congress that flat out refuses to do anything about it.

 

[uncboy10]

Also, it’s meaningless to compare him to Hillary at this point. Now the republicans have their own choice of trump vs pence. Hillary isn’t part of the equation anymore.

 

[Terror Beard]

...the system is broken beyond repair.

Agreed. And I’m not interested in trying to fix it anymore either. I’ll simply vote for the crook that serves my interests and beliefs best.

 

[TarHeelMark]

Instead we have an ignorant man baby and a Republican congress that flat out refuses to do anything about it.

Unfortunately, the only ones who would challenge him are dying (RIP John McCain), or retiring.

 

[uncboy10]

Unfortunately, the only ones who would challenge him are dying (RIP John McCain), or retiring.

It’s quite possible that many of them are compromised as well. We know the likes of Mitch McConnel would do absolutely anything to stay in power.

Agreed. And I’m not interested in trying to fix it anymore either. I’ll simply vote for the crook that serves my interests and beliefs best.

Shameless partisanship and campaign finance are the main reasons why the system is broken. So you double down on the shameless partisanship?...

 

[Terror Beard]

Shameless partisanship and campaign finance are the main reasons why the system is broken. So you double down on the shameless partisanship?...

It's not partisanship if I'm ignoring the label and voting for what serves me best and what I believe serves the majority best. That's what we as voters are supposed to do. If a democrat was going to close the borders, let me keep more of my own money, back Israel, create private sector jobs, ignore hate groups like BLM, admonish identity politics, promote traditional family values and work to instill social mores of the past, then I'd vote for him/her.

 

[uncboy10]

It's not partisanship if I'm ignoring the label and voting for what serves me best and what I believe serves the majority best. That's what we as voters are supposed to do. If a democrat was going to close the borders, let me keep more of my own money, back Israel, create private sector jobs, ignore hate groups like BLM, admonish identity politics, promote traditional family values and work to instill social mores of the past, then I'd vote for him/her.

Lol. Yeah, no partisans/ideological bias to be found here...

 

[strummingram]

Lol. Yeah, no partisans/ideological bias to be found here...

A time machine would work better.

 

[uncboy10]

A time machine would work better.

As long as those colored folks and gays get put back in their place somehow... /s

 

[Terror Beard]

Lol. Yeah, no partisans/ideological bias to be found here...

So I should vote for people who's ideology I don't support? That makes sense. Is that what they're now teaching in your high school civics class? It wouldn't surprise me.

 

[uncboy10]

So I should vote for people who's ideology I don't support? That makes sense. Is that what they're now teaching in your high school civics class? It wouldn't surprise me.

Wanting what’s best for the nation as a whole means rejecting ideology in the name of evidence.

Don’t let’s the mods catch you using personal insults. I hear they’re really cracking down on that stuff.

 

[Terror Beard]

Don’t let’s the mods catch you using personal insults. I hear they’re really cracking down on that stuff.

Only for some. I'm in a protected class. But that is good advice for you though.

Wanting what’s best for the nation as a whole means rejecting ideology in the name of evidence.
.

What evidence are you making up now?

 

[BillyL]

Only for some. I'm in a protected class.

I find that fact amazing . . especially for someone who believes they are so 'new' to this board. You joined on 7-18 IIRC.

@gunslingerdick used to make those same claims . .

Have a nice day o' protected one. No surprise there.