I'm sorry, I somehow missed your apology to @randman1 for your knuckleheaded mistake in your last post. Could you repeat it or at least direct me to it? TIA.
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If you look at the materials seized and ignore the spin, it's quite obvious the custodian who diligently reviewed the material merely excluded from the archives those items which are not presidential records, namely agency documents, personal records, stocks of publications, and extra copies of documents.
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"(B) does not include any documentary materials that are
(i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e)
of title 5, United States Code); (ii) personal records; (iii)
stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies
of documents produced only for convenience of reference,
when such copies are clearly so identified."
The idea anything illegal or unethical or untoward is reflected on Trump having those items is absurd. Moreover, he did not direct which items were in the boxes. The custodian who boxed things up appears to have fully followed the law.
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"(B) does not include any documentary materials that are
(i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e)
of title 5, United States Code); (ii) personal records; (iii)
stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies
of documents produced only for convenience of reference,
when such copies are clearly so identified."
The idea anything illegal or unethical or untoward is reflected on Trump having those items is absurd. Moreover, he did not direct which items were in the boxes. The custodian who boxed things up appears to have fully followed the law.
Just because the documents were declassified if indeed they were, it still isn't necessarily legal for Trump to possess them after leaving office. Regarding the legality of the search and seizure, it probably doesn't matter because none of the three criminal laws cited in a search warrant as the basis of the investigation depend on whether documents contain classified information.
Either way, it looks like your boy has once again screwed himself.
Yes, it is legal. And no Trump hasn't screwed himself. This is just another brazenly illegal act which have tanked public trust in the DOJ and FBI.
What is absurd is you believing the FBI raided the joint -- knowing full well the certain pushback by Trump and his legions -- merely for some irrelevant documents of little or no consequence.
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couldnt care less. bro flipped the SCOTUS and that was all i truly cared about. keep on sheepin!
Not at all. It's all about creating a false narrative by any means which is why you see so many deceptive leaks.
Keep in mind this is the same crowd who openly designated frustrated parents at school board meetings as domestic terrorists. Same crowd doing all sorts of outrageous things.
They know they can count on the likes of you no matter what.
It's pointless to argue this since neither of us knows exactly what is contained in those top secret documents. After things play out and the public is made aware at least in part of what the documents do contain, I'm sure if it is more serious than you are making it out to be you will continue to decry Trump's guilt.
Say it again for the severely TDS infected!
I can’t get enough of that. Lol.
You realize the FBI already visited Maro-Lago and just asked Trump put an extra padlock on the storeroom on top of the constantly Secret Service guarded and protected area. If you can't see this as fishy, something is wrong with you.
McCabe Says Biden Wasn’t Forceful Enough In Speech Bashing Republicans
Former FBI Acting Director Andy McCabe said Thursday night on CNN that President Joe Biden's speech that largely trashed Republican voters didn't go far enoughdailycaller.com
The fake persecution complex is getting old. You’re not being trampled on, merely dumb enough to believe in tribalism.
The inflation rate says otherwise as did Benedict Biden last night.
Does this look like someone trying to bring the country together?
“If you look at the words and meaning of the awkward and angry Biden speech tonight, he threatened America, including with the possible use of military force,” Trump wrote on social media. “He must be insane, or suffering from late stage dementia!”
www.breitbart.com
Donald Trump: 'Insane' Joe Biden 'Threatened America' in 'Angry' Speech
Former President Donald Trump reacted to President Joe Biden's speech on Thursday night by raising concerns about his mental state.
www.breitbart.com
Sour grapes.“If you look at the words and meaning of the awkward and angry Biden speech tonight, he threatened America, including with the possible use of military force,” Trump wrote on social media. “He must be insane, or suffering from late stage dementia!”
Donald Trump: 'Insane' Joe Biden 'Threatened America' in 'Angry' Speech
Former President Donald Trump reacted to President Joe Biden's speech on Thursday night by raising concerns about his mental state.
You may not care for the rule of law but others are taking note. It's like the inflation brought on by the democrats. It will affect you as well. Same with all of their disasters foisted on the nation. Even things like capitulating to the CCP in "botching" the Afghanistan withdrawal will have repercussions here as well.
Poor demented Biden. Can't even get his own story straight. He'll be dead soon so that's a plus for all of us. Just need to make sure the equally as pitiful Kamala doesn't botch things too badly in the short time she'll be in office. No one will care even if she does though. They'll be too busy celebrating her half-blackness.
www.foxnews.com
Biden says Trump supporters not a threat to country after speech blasting 'MAGA Republicans'
Biden says he does not consider Donald Trump supporters to be a threat to the U.S. one day after he said "MAGA Republicans" were a threat to democracy.
Ya, shitty day for the market after yet another shitty economic announcement. At least we don't have mean tweets though
I was trying to let you off easy.
The fact is, the GOP became the "church" party when Reagan hit the scene. And, like it or not, that is one of the main reasons that the GOP has only managed ONE presidential election since GHWB where they also won the popular vote. Goldwater's predictions proved to be true.
Republicans rarely, if ever, reflect the majority of American voters, on a national scale. And, they deserve it for letting in the preachers and the religious extremists... not to mention the conspiracy nuts and flat-earth believers and every other lunatic fringe that exists in American society that also participate in the political process. They deny all kinds of science, and opt instead for their superstitions.
So you’re saying biden raised mal? Bahahahahaaha!!!
So let’s see, in just the last day you have:
accused dems of turning off peoples ac against their will (lie)
accused dems of being responsible for water issues in Jackson ms (lie)
accused dems of lying about the death of “Ben” laden (lie)
accused biden of raiding trumps home (lie)
i absolutely fuking love it when you so called Christians lie and slander and make yourselves hypocrites.
a very darth sidious vibe here…wtfPlay on words. Biden is stepping into Herr Fuhrer's legacy or at least presented himself that way last night.
Here's the relevant pic.
Yup. The GOP would easily be able to win on having some sort of restraint on spending and pushing back against the lunatic left's detrimental social policies if they didn't have a crazy streak of their own fighting to get the government involved in social issues that the majority of the country doesn't want them involved in.
I don’t think what you are saying is groundbreaking. The converse could be said too. If Dems didn’t have radical, nut jobs crying “…ism! …ism!, …ism!” at everything, they’d win every election.
It is what it is. Those are the two choices. Pick one.
And here you only demonstrate a really bad case of LTDS. The mid-terms will be two years of No Trump and No Maga. It will be two years of Biden and "his agenda". You have the majority everywhere. Why haven't you just fixed abortion? Because then you couldn't use it in November. The bottom line is that the D's and friends in the msm can't or don't want to discuss the current president and his policies because it's a losing argument for votes. Thus, you are left with only be able to continue screaming, for the 6th year going into the 7th, that orangeman is bad and look what he did to abortion. You know, things like making speeches with marines in the background and claiming a danger to democracy when all the Dobbs decision did was reinstate the ability for democracy to control that issue.
You can’t go too deep with the sheep. Muslims and Democrats know this.
We've always been stuck with two parties. So, we're only as healthy as the two parties, together. I used to see the Republicans as "practical" and Democrats as "experimental." There's a whole lot more to it than that, but, just in general, those are respectable terms and categories.
Republicans used to have the most of what would be considered "intellectuals" firmly in their favor. They might be considered TOO intellectual by younger generations. They prided themselves on their restraint and taking very calculated risks, and being mindful of the growth of government. There was open consideration regarding scientific advancements and how that would best be used in political/governmental practice.
50 years later? It's just a race to see how many still refuse to believe in Evolution, and how to best appeal to the ever-shrinking demographic of people who can only live with their mythologies in control.
And, Democrats are now even more unrestrained. Not to mention, their own fringe members kicking and screaming. But, you rarely see them telling scientists that "God will show us the way!" When only ONE SIDE will consider the methods of science, we're all fvcked!
The whole time, the oligarchs just clean-up! That was probably their plan when they bought the country. Follow the fear, exploit it, cash the checks.
You were going to let me off easy? LOL. Stop stroking your own ego, son, it's a tad silly.
But anyway wow, what a revelation...one half of the political spectrum contains particular segments, as if the other side doesn't have theirs; and you're managing to miss the point that the influence of the segment in question is highly exaggerated both in total and when one individual makes a comment referring to Christian beliefs.
The fact is that religious people tend to operate according to moral principle, and although I am not religious and completely agree with keeping religion and religious moral dictates out of government, it's actually very favorable and telling that the religious choose the conservative side of things instead of the dark side. I'd rather have them for me than against me.
So try again, and I'll brace myself for the rough letdown. I'm sure one is coming in the form of some goofy retort.. Meanwhile I'm still laughing at you citing Barry Goldwater. Barry Goldwater was one of the very few individuals that I would vote FOR, as opposed to voting against an opponent of a conservative candidate. And nothing in the quotes of his you provided is at odds with my beliefs or those of most conservatives. Of course I've already expressed that.
as you probably tend to do whenever someone offers you something for free. Because it probably ain't.
you go a little off the reservation there at the end, but this is otherwise fairly reasonable.
but that faction is a minority to begin with, and even many of the religious know to keep it to themselves or between each other. The religious zealots who want their morality coded into government get pandered to but that's about it. I know there are examples indicating otherwise but you know...the exception proves the rule kind of thing.
Those people have a disproportionate amount of power, however. And with the decline of non religious, civic institutions, especially in rural areas, they can assert their influence even further for those disaffected.
And, their ravings (with the use of social media and media coverage) just makes the GOP look worse and worse. It looks like the party of religious kooks who think medicine is poison and trying to optimize our resources is Communism. And, frankly, the GOP deserves all of it. You let the loonies in, and they aren't going to leave. Then, the ones who aren't loony- the ones leftover from when it was an intellectual party- have no choice but try and cover for them... all the while KNOWING that the loonies are an impediment. And, those who aren't loony are more afraid of what the Democrats have to offer than what the loony-laden GOP can muster.
We have to have healthy political parties, and we don't have that at all. We need each one to balance the other out. That seems to be long gone now.
WTF? A reasonable post from you? Hallayloooyah or however that thing is spelled.
I'm just not sure why all the verbiage thrown at this situation when the meat of the matter has not nearly been revealed. That being said, I tend to believe that there was some basis for making the raid, but that 1) that basis was only acted on as it was because of who was involved, and 2) that basis was not nearly of an importance that justified the raid anyway.
I haven't commented much on this because as I said in another post, I'm waiting for something fairly factual to surface. But that display of 'classified material' that was released is such a bullshit maneuver that it fairly reeks of 'dog and pony show'. Yet there are tons of sheeple who saw it and thought to themselves, 'my Gawd look how he just carelessly left nuclear launch codes just laying around'.
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