OOTB's Political Thread . ..

[tarheel0910]

for Fuks sake it’s a joke. I’m not voting for Biden. Ridicule him all you like. Idgaf. Jus sayin trump has made some...no...a veritable SHITLOAD of statements that make me feel he’s just as brain damaged

It's not a joke if you continue to use it to ignore the topic. You're pulling the, "yeah, but he did it first/also" excuse that Trump supporters do. If you honestly think it's a joke, then you have a weird sense of humor. I've joked about Biden a little, but I've also been serious about him having some issues. Saying Mexico will pay for the wall is completely different than not remembering your name. One is a lie, the other is a possible sign of health issues. This isn't just me saying this. It's a pretty well talked about topic even in dem circles.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I’m not voting for Biden.

And I think it's safe to say you're not voting for Trump either. Will you be voting for anyone?

Even though I think voting for a 3rd party is a throwaway vote that doesn't matter one iota, I can at least hear the argument that it may eventually usher in a 3rd party and end of the two party system. However not voting for anyone for President, because you don't like either of them, doesn't make much sense to me. There has to be one you dislike less, a lesser of two evils type thought process.

 

[strummingram]

Biden looked good with prepared remarks. Off the cuff will still be his downfall, I imagine.

Biden's comments and remarks are going to be much less of a factor once this pandemic runs its course, and the collateral economic damage becomes visible. I am NOT looking forward to either. It's going to be interesting, to say the least.

This virus thing is poised to sink The Donald. At least he has a scapegoat. Hey... it will be legit. If everything is running on auto-pilot and there's nothing of concern, he's okay as a president. But things don't always work that way. He doesn't deserve blame for everything. But, in a situation like this coronavirus, we NEED a competent leader. Having a president who wears his asshole-ness like a badge of honor isn't very helpful.

 

[strummingram]

And I think it's safe to say you're not voting for Trump either. Will you be voting for anyone?

Even though I think voting for a 3rd party is a throwaway vote that doesn't matter one iota, I can at least hear the argument that it may eventually usher in a 3rd party and end of the two party system. However not voting for anyone for President, because you don't like either of them, doesn't make much sense to me. There has to be one you dislike less, a lesser of two evils type thought process.

What difference does it make who "we" vote for? WE don't elect the president. We never have.

 

[heelmanwilm]

It's not a joke if you continue to use it to ignore the topic. You're pulling the, "yeah, but he did it first/also" excuse that Trump supporters do. If you honestly think it's a joke, then you have a weird sense of humor. I've joked about Biden a little, but I've also been serious about him having some issues. Saying Mexico will pay for the wall is completely different than not remembering your name. One is a lie, the other is a possible sign of health issues. This isn't just me saying this. It's a pretty well talked about topic even in dem circles.

Well I laughed. But yea you’re right

 

[tarheel0910]

As for the second thing, that’s obviously big for evangelicals but it seems to be a disproportionate focus. The world would be a lot better place if they spent less time handwringing about abortion and more time helping those in need.

They believe they are helping those in need. The group who needs the most help, because they can't help themselves. That's what they believe. You can say that is wrong if you want to, but that doesn't really matter. It's up to the individual voter. Everyone picks a few issues that are most important to them because they don't line up with a candidate 100% of the time. You're no different than an Evangelical when it comes to how you justify your vote. You just pick different issues.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

But, in a situation like this coronavirus, we NEED a competent leader.

And that competent person is going to.... Eoj O'Biden, or maybe Oje Bama!?!?!?

What difference does it make who "we" vote for? WE don't elect the president. We never have.

Yes, you've made this point before. But we do pick the people that pick the President.

When was the last time the person who got the awarded the most electoral voters didn't end up with the most electoral votes? That would be the only time "we" didn't elect the president.

 

[heelmanwilm]

And I think it's safe to say you're not voting for Trump either. Will you be voting for anyone?

Even though I think voting for a 3rd party is a throwaway vote that doesn't matter one iota, I can at least hear the argument that it may eventually usher in a 3rd party and end of the two party system. However not voting for anyone for President, because you don't like either of them, doesn't make much sense to me. There has to be one you dislike less, a lesser of two evils type thought process.

Yes I’ve heard that and I admit it’s given me pause. But i refuse to submit to the “you have to vote for a or b” argument. There’s like 200 million voters. Each with their own mind. It’s ludicrous that we should have to choose between two candidates. I’ll vote for an independent thinking person who puts country and constitution ahead of party and religion. Or at least comes close.

 

[tarheel0910]

Biden's comments and remarks are going to be much less of a factor once this pandemic runs its course, and the collateral economic damage becomes visible. I am NOT looking forward to either. It's going to be interesting, to say the least.

This virus thing is poised to sink The Donald. At least he has a scapegoat. Hey... it will be legit. If everything is running on auto-pilot and there's nothing of concern, he's okay as a president. But things don't always work that way. He doesn't deserve blame for everything. But, in a situation like this coronavirus, we NEED a competent leader. Having a president who wears his asshole-ness like a badge of honor isn't very helpful.

Let's slow down before we declare a huge economic issue is happening. I don't think it's going to be as big as you think it's going to be. Trump will need a recession for it to stop him. I don't think we are at that point yet.

 

[strummingram]

And that competent person is going to.... Eoj O'Biden, or maybe Oje Bama!?!?!?



Yes, you've made this point before. But we do pick the people that pick the President.

When was the last time the person who got the awarded the most electoral voters didn't end up with the most electoral votes? That would be the only time "we" didn't elect the president.

Are you a delegate in the electoral college? I'm not. Your vote doesn't really count, is what I mean, and you know that.

We SORT OF pick the person. It's interesting to me how people are afraid of a popular vote for president, but perfectly fine with it for governor. The 50 "states" have evolved into 50 counties of the United STATE.

 

[uncboy10]

Let's slow down before we declare a huge economic issue is happening. I don't think it's going to be as big as you think it's going to be. Trump will need a recession for it to stop him. I don't think we are at that point yet.

If the virus ends up being as devastating as many experts are saying it will be, then it will cause major supply chain disruptions, and yuuuuge temporary drop offs in demand within certain industries. People will stop eating out for example, and a huge proportion of our labor force works in service based industries like restaurants. Depending on the time line, we could see a lot of people suddenly finding themselves unable to pay their rent.

This is one of the reasons why people need to get out of the habit of judging the economy based on the stock market alone. It doesn’t paint a full picture

 

[strummingram]

Let's slow down before we declare a huge economic issue is happening. I don't think it's going to be as big as you think it's going to be. Trump will need a recession for it to stop him. I don't think we are at that point yet.

No... you're right. We're not there YET! But, it's coming. Man, oh man... is it ever coming. I hope to hell it's not as bad as I think it's going to be, and I'm not even completely fixed on what THAT even is, to be frank. I know this much; We haven't even begun to experience what could be coming. Every day the situation intensifies. Intensify is softer than "gets worse."

If we somehow dodge a bullet, and everything comes back to in-the-vicinity of what it was prior to this? Awesome. I'll be delighted. But, I think it's pretty obvious that there are bad times ahead. All signs point to it. How bad? We'll find out.

 

[strummingram]

If the virus ends up being as devastating as many experts are saying it will be, then it will cause major supply chain disruptions, and yuuuuge temporary drop offs in demand within certain industries. People will stop eating out for example, and a huge proportion of our labor force works in service based industries like restaurants. Depending on the time line, we could see a lot of people suddenly finding themselves unable to pay their rent.

This is one of the reasons why people need to get out of the habit of judging the economy based on the stock market alone. It doesn’t paint a full picture

Even if we judge it, now, by the stock market, it's not going to be good. Look at the fluctuations! +1100 one day, -1300 the next. That is unprecedented volatility.

The Trump Drunk Hangover is going to be painful.

 

[uncboy10]

Even if we judge it, now, by the stock market, it's not going to be good. Look at the fluctuations! +1100 one day, -1300 the next. That is unprecedented volatility.

The Trump Drunk Hangover is going to be painful.

The market has been overvalued for awhile anyways. And overvalued market + high volatility = major players sitting on their cash. Warren Buffet looks like a genius (yet again) right now.

 

[strummingram]

The market has been overvalued for awhile anyways. And overvalued market + high volatility = major players sitting on their cash. Warren Buffet looks like a genius (yet again) right now.

Buffet isn't very optimistic when I heard him on Yahoo! Finance. "If you live long enough, you see it all." He's 90! He said it's not as bad as October 1987. I guess we're lucky he's only 90 and can't comment to being alive in 1929.

ETA: I am glad it's not a repeat of the 2008 scenario. I guess we're looking at a harsh, but well-paced, reaction to this virus and its effect.

 

[UNC71-00]

Bwahahahahaha!!!! Biden could faux pas every damn word outta his mouth for the next year and not come close to the mind numbingly ignorant pile of lies and bull shit spouted by trump.

 

[uncboy10]

Buffet isn't very optimistic when I heard him on Yahoo! Finance. "If you live long enough, you see it all." He's 90! He said it's not as bad as October 1987. I guess we're lucky he's only 90 and can't comment to being alive in 1929.

ETA: I am glad it's not a repeat of the 2008 scenario. I guess we're looking at a harsh, but well-paced, reaction to this virus and its effect.

He's been sitting on a ton of cash the past year or two because he doesn't like the current valuations. A lot of that is caused by the massive increase in demand for index funds, which bundle together prices of a large group of the biggest companies. When someone buys an index fund they aren't individually pricing each firm, so some companies get overvalued. Index funds are a safe bet for retirement investing, but I would argue that its having an adverse affect on pricing in the market.

Part of the issue with so many people living paycheck to paycheck is they have to keep going to work even if they might be sick. Maybe this will show people that extreme income inequality is unsustainable in the long run. And undesirable at a social level.

 

[uncboy10]

If we're smart, then we use this is as a sort of dress rehearsal for a more serious crisis. Imagine a virus that kills 2% of the people it infects, and is as contagious as this virus. Or even something worse that kills 10% of the people it infects. This shows that we can't afford to be complacent about those types of threats. We were not well prepared for this virus. If something worse had come along it could have been catastrophic.

 

[heelmanwilm]

is that a covfefe martini?

 

[UNC71-00]

is that a covfefe martini?

Extra dirty

 

[Grayhead]

Even if we judge it, now, by the stock market, it's not going to be good. Look at the fluctuations! +1100 one day, -1300 the next. That is unprecedented volatility.

The Trump Drunk Hangover is going to be painful.

I for the life of me cannot see how trump will be at fault if the economy tanks due to virus concerns. He himself had nothing to do with that. But I know the libs will pounce on it like a cat in heat

 

[heelmanwilm]

I for the life of me cannot see how trump will be at fault if the economy tanks due to virus concerns. He himself had nothing to do with that. But I know the libs will pounce on it like a cat in heat

Yea I’d love to be able to blame trump but it’s not on him. This is a global market concern.

 

[Grayhead]

If we're smart, then we use this is as a sort of dress rehearsal for a more serious crisis. Imagine a virus that kills 2% of the people it infects, and is as contagious as this virus. Or even something worse that kills 10% of the people it infects. This shows that we can't afford to be complacent about those types of threats. We were not well prepared for this virus. If something worse had come along it could have been catastrophic.

We can if politics doesnt drive it, or support for such a preperation. I agree, this needs to be a dress rehearsal. Starting with stockpiling toilet paper, hand sanitizer, face mask, ect..

 

[strummingram]

I for the life of me cannot see how trump will be at fault if the economy tanks due to virus concerns. He himself had nothing to do with that. But I know the libs will pounce on it like a cat in heat

I don't blame him for this virus at all. He's got nothing to do with it coming into existence.

I do believe he has juiced the economy (with help, as always from The Fed) and deregulating the shit out of everything is also a screw-up, in my opinion. His eternal praise of the stock market and how everything is perfect and only getting better is the Trump Drunk I am referring to. The hangover is when it collapses, from whatever the pin that pops the bubble. He has no idea what makes the economy good or bad. That is his fault. This guy couldn't make casinos pay-off! He's made himself famous for his failures and bullshitting people. That IS his fault.

But, the fallout from this virus scare is not his fault, directly, no.

 

[tarheel0910]

The toilet paper thing is weird to me. I mean, were people not wiping before all of this happened? You would think you would need the same amount as you normally get. I guess plunger and Drano sales are probably increasing too.

 

[nctransplant]

We can if politics doesnt drive it, or support for such a preperation. I agree, this needs to be a dress rehearsal. Starting with stockpiling toilet paper, hand sanitizer, face mask, ect..

Buy all the toilet paper you want, I'm investing in plungers.

 

[strummingram]

"Only 15 people have it in the US now and that number will drop to zero, very soon."

 

[uncboy10]

The toilet paper thing is weird to me. I mean, were people not wiping before all of this happened? You would think you would need the same amount as you normally get. I guess plunger and Drano sales are probably increasing too.

People are scared shitless

 

[Grayhead]

Buy all the toilet paper you want, I'm investing in plungers.

I'm buying a pump truck

 

[carolinablue34]

They believe they are helping those in need. The group who needs the most help, because they can't help themselves. That's what they believe. You can say that is wrong if you want to, but that doesn't really matter. It's up to the individual voter. Everyone picks a few issues that are most important to them because they don't line up with a candidate 100% of the time. You're no different than an Evangelical when it comes to how you justify your vote. You just pick different issues.

I don’t think this is something to apply moral relativism to. Yes evangelicals “think” they’re helping people by pushing an anti abortion platform but it’s a platform so narrow they can’t see past the end of their own noses. It has usually nothing to do with helping but asserting a superiority complex over people who don’t think or act in the same way.

I do agree, however that everyone picks and chooses on issues and that varies by person and election.

 

[tarheel0910]

I don’t think this is something to apply moral relativism to. Yes evangelicals “think” they’re helping people by pushing an anti abortion platform but it’s a platform so narrow they can’t see past the end of their own noses. It has usually nothing to do with helping but asserting a superiority complex over people who don’t think or act in the same way.

I do agree, however that everyone picks and chooses on issues and that varies by person and election.

What they are doing is no different than picking a candidate who is laser focused on climate change or immigration or taxes, etc. You can say the exact same thing you just said and replace abortion with one of the issues I just mentioned. There's no difference. Just because you think abortion isn't a big deal doesn't mean you are right. It just means you don't feel like they do.

 

[carolinablue34]

Of course this virus isn’t Trump’s fault. Where I take issue is him downplaying it in order to keep the stock market healthy. Contradicting health experts doesn’t help anything. This is going to be disruptive for a considerable amount of time.

 

[carolinablue34]

What they are doing is no different than picking a candidate who is laser focused on climate change or immigration or taxes, etc. You can say the exact same thing you just said and replace abortion with one of the issues I just mentioned. There's no difference. Just because you think abortion isn't a big deal doesn't mean you are right. It just means you don't feel like they do.

This issue is more controversial than almost any other in the country and it’s what right wing evangelicals are choosing to focus on in the culture wars. I find that dangerous.

 

[tarheel0910]

This issue is more controversial than almost any other in the country and it’s what right wing evangelicals are choosing to focus on in the culture wars. I find that dangerous.

How is it more dangerous than focusing on something like the green new deal or a single payer system? Those two things are extremely controversial. Why is that not dangerous?

 

[carolinablue34]

How is it more dangerous than focusing on something like the green new deal or a single payer system? Those two things are extremely controversial. Why is that not dangerous?

Well for one, the aforementioned topics are nowhere close to becoming reality where there is a real fight over abortion at the moment.

Secondly I don’t think it’s a fair comparison to say single payer health care is as dangerous as completely outlawing abortion.

 

[tarheel0910]

Well for one, the aforementioned topics are nowhere close to becoming reality where there is a real fight over abortion at the moment.

Secondly I don’t think it’s a fair comparison to say single payer health care is as dangerous as completely outlawing abortion.

Roe isn't getting overturned. No need to worry about that. It's just a talking point for both extremes. It's a good reason that evangelicals should move on though.

 

[uncboy10]

NBA suspends the season right when Coby is about to take over the Bulls. Coincidence?

 

[dadika13]

Trump's address last night was very poor.

First, he looked/spoke like he was nervous as shit and wasn't at all a calming force. I personally care less about that than the three below but most voters care. He was labored in his breathing, stumbling over words, and using inflection at weird times.

Second, blaming other countries and not our own unpreparedness flies in the face of thousands of doctors around the country who say we royally ****ed up our testing process.

Third, he messed up a prepared statement's facts, which I thought was impossible. The ban to Europe caused overnights to temporarily tank because he incorrectly stated it was for everyone/trade and it was just for foreign nationals.

Fourth, he mentioned nothing about how we're going about testing improvements and why the spike in cases in March has gone from 50 to over 1,000 in 11 days. Instead we got shit about how great our economy is and how Europe is the one to blame.

This was bad.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Trump's address last night was very poor.

First, he looked/spoke like he was nervous as shit and wasn't at all a calming force. I personally care less about that than the three below but most voters care. He was labored in his breathing, stumbling over words, and using inflection at weird times.

Second, blaming other countries and not our own unpreparedness flies in the face of thousands of doctors around the country who say we royally ****ed up our testing process.

Third, he messed up a prepared statement's facts, which I thought was impossible. The ban to Europe caused overnights to temporarily tank because he incorrectly stated it was for everyone/trade and it was just for foreign nationals.

Fourth, he mentioned nothing about how we're going about testing improvements and why the spike in cases in March has gone from 50 to over 1,000 in 11 days. Instead we got shit about how great our economy is and how Europe is the one to blame.

This was bad.

he didn’t talk about any more hunches he has that contradicts the health care professionals? That always calms people.

 

[gteeitup]

agree...very poor last night

the blaming thing is just normal trump, but at this time it looks worse...but hey, according to him we’re the best at everything, including testing for this.