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[bluetoe]

Exclusive | FBI lost count of how many paid informants were at Capitol on Jan. 6, and later performed audit to figure out exact number: ex-official

The FBI had so many paid informants at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, that they lost track of the number and had to perform an audit to determine how many “Confidential Human Sources” wer…

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Chuckle at this.

stupid FBI. Why position so many informants to inform of what Nancy Pelosi didn't expect to happen? Hey wait a minute, if they weren't expecting something to happen, maybe those informants weren't actually informants. Maybe they were there to MAKE something happen......naaa, @blazers will snuff that theory if he hasn't already. Cause you know, Trump appointed blah blah blah.

 

[bluetoe]

You can play the blame Trump game on everything including that your coffee didn't have enough creamer this morning because that's what you do,

lol, ever thought how if Harris had gotten elected, @blazers would have made a great press secretary for her?

 

[nctransplant]

lol, ever thought how if Harris had gotten elected, @blazers would have made a great press secretary for her?

The way she "blew" through $1B+ her political career is over.

 

[bluetoe]

The way she "blew" through $1B+ her political career is over.

 

[blazers]

stupid FBI. Why position so many informants to inform of what Nancy Pelosi didn't expect to happen? Hey wait a minute, if they weren't expecting something to happen, maybe those informants weren't actually informants. Maybe they were there to MAKE something happen......naaa, @blazers will snuff that theory if he hasn't already. Cause you know, Trump appointed blah blah blah.

You mentioned CofC, what does FBI have to do with House Speaker?

 

[bluetoe]

You mentioned CofC, what does FBI have to do with House Speaker?

CofC refers to those (not the FBI, etc.) involved in the official proceedings that day, and in general. If the FBI knew enough to plant all those informants, it would be ludicrous to think that Pelosi wasn't made fully aware of potential problems, and just as ludicrous to believe that she wouldn't have acted simply because that wasn't in her list of duties.. Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to make this perfectly clear to everyone else, since I'm sure you already knew what I was conveying.

 

[blazers]

CofC refers to those (not the FBI, etc.) involved in the official proceedings that day, and in general. If the FBI knew enough to plant all those informants, it would be ludicrous to think that Pelosi wasn't made fully aware of potential problems, and just as ludicrous to believe that she wouldn't have acted simply because that wasn't in her list of duties.. Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to make this perfectly clear to everyone else, since I'm sure you already knew what I was conveying.

If it isn't in her list of duties, and she's aware, then surely the people who DID have this in their list of duties would be aware too, know? So again, why it is her responsibility? Shouldn't the folks that had this duty have performed their job?

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Thoughts on the inflationary price increases for items from Mexico If Trump isn't bluffing? I was kinda joking about Tequila once ...

Prices would only inflate if the Mexican companies were able to pass on the tariffs to the consumers. They can do this if Mexico is the only place a given good can be sourced from. If tequila/avocados can be made/grown in the US, then the Mexican producers of those goods will have to eat the tariffs to continue to price competitively with the US produced options.

 

[blazers]

If tequila/avocados can be made/grown in the US at competitive prices, then...

Fify

 

[bluetoe]

If it isn't in her list of duties, and she's aware, then surely the people who DID have this in their list of duties would be aware too, know? So again, why it is her responsibility? Shouldn't the folks that had this duty have performed their job?

it's getting kind of funny, your driving down this dead end street of an argument. Very simply, someone in her position doesn't responsibly look in her employee handbook and say. 'well, looks like it's not really my problem'. Particularly when she was using her position to practically foam at the mouth over the rally being held in the first place..

House SAA says security requests denied at Capitol


"The former chief of U.S. Capitol Police says security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed his early requests to call in the National Guard ahead of a demonstration in support of President Trump that turned into a deadly attack on Congress.

Former chief Steven Sund -- who resigned his post last week after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called for him to step down -- made the assertions in an interview with The Washington Post published Sunday.

Sund contradicts claims made by officials after Wednesday's assault on Capitol Hill. Sund's superiors said previously that the National Guard and other additional security support could have been provided, but no one at the Capitol requested it.

Sund told the Post that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving was concerned with the "optics" of declaring an emergency ahead of the protests and rejected a National Guard presence. He says Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger recommended that he informally request the Guard to be ready in case it was needed to maintain security.?


And who does the House SAA report to? Conversely, who does the SOH oversee?

sarge at arms reports to SOH

Are you seriously going to suggest that the SAA acted without Pelosi's awareness?

 

[bluetoe]

Thoughts on the idea that Mexico can do something regarding drugs and illegal aliens entering the US? I don't think there is much they can do. They could probably do some things regarding LEGAL migration, but not illegal.

Thoughts on the inflationary price increases for items from Mexico If Trump isn't bluffing? I was kinda joking about Tequila once ...

Mexico can do much to prevent these caravans and other groups from crossing over THEIR border, which many would have to do in order to get to OUR border. That's in part what Trump had worked out with Mexico and I believe maybe Guatemala in his first term.

Thoughts on the economic burden of unchecked illegal immigration with the accompanying drug and crime problems? Or should we just look at the more immediate opportunities to whine and bitch about something that Trump does. I'm trying to recall you pissing and moaning as much about the Biden/Harris open door policy as you seem to want to do about tariffs, but nothing comes to mind.

 

[gunslingerdick]

 

[pooponduke]

Did you see that Mack Brown was fired by Carolina? I heard it was Trump's fault and that Orange kept him from averaging 10 wins a season.

 

[pooponduke]

Some here, who happen to be very anti-Trump, have expressed issues with RFK and his positions on vaccines. The basic argument goes along the lines of how dare you question what the government health people and doctors are telling us. If they say to get a vax, shut up and get in line. They are the experts, not you, dumbass. The problem is that such generalities are only valid in a bubble. There is often more to the story and it always seems to come back to following the money. And, always remember, there is NO LIABILITY. One look at these charts and it's got to make one curious and question things. Did we really suddenly need to pump our kids full of all this beginning in 1983? Look at the growth in just the LAST THREE YEARS. It just seems odd is all. Enjoy.

 

[pooponduke]

@blazers

This one is for you.

 

[blazers]

There is often more to the story and it always seems to come back to following the money. And, always remember, there is NO LIABILITY. One look at these charts and it's got to make one curious and question things. Did we really suddenly need to pump our kids full of all this beginning in 1983? Look at the growth in just the LAST THREE YEARS. It just seems odd is all. Enjoy.

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Follow the money could also be follow the problems. Disease outbreaks in kids is costly.

I didn't get chickenpox vaccine (an example from your newer list), but what's wrong with preventing chickenpox outbreaks? I'm thankful I won't have to deal with that as a parent. And it's cheap.

 

[blazers]

@blazers

This one is for you.

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I was in mexico last week and even they have large, very visible warnings on lots of stuff - "exceso azucares", same for calories, etc.

 

[pooponduke]

Follow the money could also be follow the problems. Disease outbreaks in kids is costly.

I didn't get chickenpox vaccine (an example from your newer list), but what's wrong with preventing chickenpox outbreaks? I'm thankful I won't have to deal with that as a parent. And it's cheap.

So, why not have both? I agree that disease outbreaks are costly, and not just kids either. But remove the immunity and let's see what happens.

If all this is so safe and everything is on the up and up, there should be no need for liability protection. That's where we diverge. I'm all for safe vaccines. Who wouldn't be? What I'm not for is big pharma and gov officials getting rich without liability exposure when things are potentially getting fudged.

 

[pooponduke]

I should add, I didn't get chickenpox vax either, but I did get chickenpox as a junior in college. Sucked. Is the vax safe? Sure hope so since my kids got the vax.

 

[blazers]

it's getting kind of funny, your driving down this dead end street of an argument. Very simply, someone in her position doesn't responsibly look in her employee handbook and say. 'well, looks like it's not really my problem'. Particularly when she was using her position to practically foam at the mouth over the rally being held in the first place..

EVERY dem was foaming at the mouth. And Repubs with spines too.

House SAA says security requests denied at Capitol


"The former chief of U.S. Capitol Police says security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed his early requests to call in the National Guard ahead of a demonstration in support of President Trump that turned into a deadly attack on Congress.

But those officials weren't Pelosi. She isn't a security official. Her speciality is stock-trading and the game of politics, not securing a building.

Sund contradicts claims made by officials after Wednesday's assault on Capitol Hill. Sund's superiors said previously that the National Guard and other additional security support could have been provided, but no one at the Capitol requested it.

He goes on to say "Sund says he requested assistance six times ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol. Each of those requests was denied or delayed, he says."

So who was denying or delaying his requests? That's my question.

Sund told the Post that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving was concerned with the "optics" of declaring an emergency ahead of the protests and rejected a National Guard presence. He says Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger recommended that he informally request the Guard to be ready in case it was needed to maintain security.?

But he requested it anyway. "Sund says he requested assistance six times ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol. Each of those requests was denied or delayed, he says."

And who does the House SAA report to? Conversely, who does the SOH oversee?

sarge at arms reports to SOH

Are you seriously going to suggest that the SAA acted without Pelosi's awareness?

The Senate SAA was also forced to resign - Mitch McConnel's guy. So why isn't McConnel on the hook in the same way Pelosi is on the your hook? Again, McConnel and Pelosi aren't calling the shots in terms of security/defense.

This is like firing Butch Davis because of something a tudor did. If the buck stops at the top, then let's look at the President at the time, the FBI chief, the Homeland Sec chief, dod, etc.

 

[pooponduke]

The Senate SAA was also forced to resign - Mitch McConnel's guy. So why isn't McConnel on the hook in the same way Pelosi is on the your hook?

He should be and it's just another example of Mitch being a shithead. But you always want to incorrectly lump him into a basket of R/Trump/MAGA. He's part of the system. Thankfully, he froze one too many times and has been replaced.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Still crying about Jan 6.

Cope Classic.

 

[pooponduke]

Her speciality is stock-trading and the game of politics,

This might be the MOST ACCURATE thing you've ever posted here.

But, it doesn't mean that she wasn't involved in the decision to turn down appropriate security measures for the Cap.

 

[blazers]

This might be the MOST ACCURATE thing you've ever posted here.

But, it doesn't mean that she wasn't involved in the decision to turn down appropriate security measures for the Cap.

Where did you see she turned down an appropriate security measure?

EDIT - and again, it is ridiculous to think she knows anything about details of security threat levels and how to defend them relative to people like Sund himself and higher-ups in the defense/homesec chain.

 

[bleeduncblue]

They vandalized, desecrated, and defecated in the US Capitol. That's just the property damage.

You piss your pants when a football player kneels for the national anthem, but it's actually commendable when a thousand MAGA rednecks try and destroy the US Capitol. A lot can happen in 3 hours. A lot DID happen in 3 hours.

"Commendable" ? I said it was a bad scene ... it should not have happened, it was embarrassing. I do not support it. And I do not care what folks do during the national anthem, to each his own.

My point was that Never-Trumpers were actually relying on Jan 6th to sway votes, but that was never going to happen and it was naive to believe so.

 

[bluetoe]

But those officials weren't Pelosi. She isn't a security official. Her speciality is stock-trading and the game of politics, not securing a building.

lol, you are just being obstinately stupid with this argument. I have answered it a number of times, and your response is to just keep repeating the same silliness. Please stop wasting your breath and my time with this. She knew. She oversees the SAA. It doesn't matter that a position was created specifically to address security. ALL such positions of responsibility that report to her are her responsibility as well. I provided the official document that makes this black and white. Deal with it or don't, but please stop with the asininity of lather rinse repeat. She knew, she knew that what was needed wasn't happening, and she did nothing to help. In fact, she may very well have purposely hindered. Read, and you'll see this. Or don't.

He goes on to say "Sund says he requested assistance six times ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol. Each of those requests was denied or delayed, he says."

correct. Hopefully, you recognize that Sund was head of the Capitol police.

So who was denying or delaying his requests? That's my question.

The SAA for one, as I have pointed out and is verified in the linkage.. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. Get some.

But he requested it anyway. "Sund says he requested assistance six times ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol. Each of those requests was denied or delayed, he says."

see above

The Senate SAA was also forced to resign - Mitch McConnel's guy. So why isn't McConnel on the hook in the same way Pelosi is on the your hook? Again, McConnel and Pelosi aren't calling the shots in terms of security/defense.

This is like firing Butch Davis because of something a tudor did. If the buck stops at the top, then let's look at the President at the time, the FBI chief, the Homeland Sec chief, dod, etc.

again, if you'll read, you'll see that the Senate guy and McConnell DID react, although not substantially enough to prevent the melee. But at least they, unlike Pelosi, did SOMETHING.

 

[bluetoe]

"Commendable" ? I said it was a bad scene ... it should not have happened, it was embarrassing. I do not support it. And I do not care what folks do during the national anthem, to each his own.

My point was that Never-Trumpers were actually relying on Jan 6th to sway votes, but that was never going to happen and it was naive to believe so.

lol, you're wasting your time. In his mind you were there with a torch and a pitchfork, and you tortured little kittens to death in between the stabbings and acts of arson. Not to mention the threatening letters you sent to Colin Kaepernick for kneeling to tie his shoes.

Did you expect him to virtue-signal over nothing more than a 'bad scene'? Gotta introduce a lot of drama and a bunch of villainy for a good virtue signal..

 

[bluetoe]

EVERY dem was foaming at the mouth. And Repubs with spines too.

SO? The obvious point that you are purposely avoiding is that PELOSI was against the rally and its repercussions, yet she, who (unlike the others you mention as a red herring) oversaw the man responsible for security that day, did nothing in spited of her vehement protest of even having the rally.

Who gives s hit who else may have foamed at the mouth, that has nothing to do with the argument at hand.

 

[Heelicious]

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Bad hombre is a great X follow. Great inside info

 

[bluetoe]

Where did you see she turned down an appropriate security measure?

EDIT - and again, it is ridiculous to think she knows anything about details of security threat levels and how to defend them relative to people like Sund himself and higher-ups in the defense/homesec chain.

I have an HVAC company. I don't know half of what a good tech knows about working on an air conditioner. But still I need to make sure he is doing the right thing in performing his job. Because for one thing that's just the way it should be. I am responsible for what he does because he reports indirectly to me and I oversee him, even though there is a service manager in between us. And you better believe that if the shit were to hit the fan because a tech who reports even indirectly to me fouled something up, it would be my sorry ass on the burner for it....and that is as it should be.

Now imagine if he fouls something up because he was doing something I knew was wrong but did nothing to stop it. Ruh roh, and shame on me.

Your extraordinary efforts to excuse Pelosi are going nowhere in right-thinking minds.

 

[bleeduncblue]

As many of us have said over and over, the Roe v Wade stuff is a political football and much ado about nothing. Very little has changed, despite the wailing and gnashing of teeth by the pro-choice crowd. Women still have absolute control over their bodies.

Abortions slightly declined the year Roe v. Wade was overturned, CDC says.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/abortions-slightly-declined-year-roe-v-wade-overturned-cdc-says