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A little over 3 years ago I posted on here with much enthusiasm that Roy had signed a "core class" --- 3 guys who would form a nucleus for Championship runs, and if the ball bounced right, would actually get one (that last part just took one longer than it should have ;)).

Back in the early 2000s UNC had done that previously with Felton, McCants and May. The only issue then was having someone who could coach em up ---- thankfully, along came Roy Williams. Well, Ol' Roy landed him another one with Berry, Pinson and Jackson. These guys were not only your 5* Burger Boy players, they had something special, and importantly. none were coming in OAD.

I had heard about Jackson's "Walking Buckets" rep of channeling George Gervin from a friend who coached against him in AAU, and he has right... and JJ has grown into a legit All-American. And ironically, Theo is the one I had heard the least about, but film showed why Roy loved him. I can tell ya, we don't have this Natty without our Swiss Army Knife getting healthy. Moreover, I also posted that Roy had picked up the "next great Carolina PG" in JB. I still just SMH at the idea that some scoffed. Seeing him once live in AAU was all it took to ace my eye-test, and looking up film just validated his status as an AAU legend, regularly taking highly touted PGs to school. So, now we sit celebrating after year 3, and JB has led this PG-oriented team to what?... 2 ACC Regular Season titles, an ACCT title (winning the Everett Case Award), 2 Final Fours w/ 2 Championship game appearances (first player since Bill Walton to score 20+ twice), and now a Natty (with MOP thrown in for good measure).

Obviously, 3 players can't do it alone --- they need other good players --- and Roy always finds other good players. Hell, we started 5 Burger Boys this season as upperclassmen! But it takes that core to give a team its soul, and these 3 Juniors have it in abundance. JB mentioned how much better the team chemistry was for these last 2 seasons than it was initially. That's the foundation for being cabable of fighting through adversity --- and the foundation for redemption.

So..... where we they go from here?
Buckets is gone, and should be. He answered all the questions and has played himself into a late Lotto or mid-1st-Rounder. I expect he'll declare and hire an agent. Theo will probablly test the waters and return. The question mark is JB. No doubt he'll also likely test, and no one could blame him for leaving with his jersey in the rafters. Hopefully the numbers game in this particular draft will dissuade him. Personally, I'll choose to be encouraged by this tidbit from last night's locker room interview:
“That means a lot to me. Big May told me to leave my legacy tonight. I think I did that. To be up there in the rafters, when I walk out in the gym, I look up there every day and I try to see who’s up there. There’s so many great guys up there. It’s an honor and a blessing to be able to get my name up there because every time I come back and visit the gym – even though I’ve got one more year left – to see my name up there will be something that will be an awesome feeling.”

We shall see. I'm not liking some of what I'm hearing concerning Tony, but... all I know for sure is that if Dog does come back, we'll manage to be pretty doggone good again. :cool:
 
Great post Gary.

Just think of what might have been with the other core group of Zeller, Barnes, Kendal Marshal. No guarantees because UK had already beaten us that year and KU was also formidable- but that team might have given us a title very 4-5 years since Roy got here.
 
I agree that 2014 class was critical to recent success and those kids were studs coming out of high school. Looking at the last two recruiting classes, I'm struggling to find the optimism that I had after Roy signed the 2014 class. I just don't see that championship nucleus that these kids provided, at least not from a talent standpoint coming in.
 
Great post Gary.

Just think of what might have been with the other core group of Zeller, Barnes, Kendal Marshal. No guarantees because UK had already beaten us that year and KU was also formidable- but that team might have given us a title very 4-5 years since Roy got here.

Yep, that class was actually Barnes, Bullock and Kendall. Henson was there a year earlier to join Tyler....what could have been.
 
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I agree that 2014 class was critical to recent success and those kids were studs coming out of high school. Looking at the last two recruiting classes, I'm struggling to find the optimism that I had after Roy signed the 2014 class. I just don't see that championship nucleus that these kids provided, at least not from a talent standpoint coming in.

2018 IMO. Black/White (just realized that cool coincidence right now), hopefully Hamilton or Zion (doubtful) and some bigs to join in.
 
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If TB jumps (wish him nothing but the best if he does) can we land Brooks and will he start day 1?
Well, Brooks being available is fortuitous. Dunno of he would start. As for Tony, he would be doing himself a hige disservice by leaving. No matter how he does in the combo he will not be a Lotto pick. If he comes back and starts and has a good season he will be.
 
Well, Brooks being available is fortuitous. Dunno of he would start. As for Tony, he would be doing himself a hige disservice by leaving. No matter how he does in the combo he will not be a Lotto pick. If he comes back and starts and has a good season he will be.

I agree on Tony, and really expect him back, BUT if he jolts who starts beside Maye? I was under the impression Brooks was ahead of Huff and Manley in the "ready now" sense.
 
Yessir. Need some bigs along with the development of the lower ranked guys. I really like Hamilton and I think he feels the same way about UNC but I could be way off.

Ham is the key recruit in so many ways.
I've gone on record saying he's a bigger recruit for our "program" than Knox.
 
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Ham is the key recruit in so many ways.
I've gone on record saying he's a bigger recruit for our "program" than Knox.

You like our chances with either? Hope we can get Knox for a year and then Ham can step into that spot. Keep top SFs might be the most important position in college ball right now.
 
I agree on Tony, and really expect him back, BUT if he jolts who starts beside Maye? I was under the impression Brooks was ahead of Huff and Manley in the "ready now" sense.
Well, again without getting ahead of anything, Brooks is more of a natural 4, and while there's a lot of interchangability up front, the power game is not his strength. Luke would be the incunbent starter at the 4 and Brooks would indeed make a nice platoon there.
We really need Tony back, and he needs to come back for his own good. However some out-for-themselves people may have gotten in his ear telling him he hasn't gotten to show his skills here. Roy may have to do a re-recruiting job.
 
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I'm totally locked in on Ham to be honest.

That class has a strong Carolina vibe, locking up some in state guys early. Hamilton seemed to be close to Rechon and Jalek at the Duke game, they seem to have a good relationship and hopefully that bodes well for us.
 
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Well, again without getting ahead of anything, Brooks is more of a natural 4, and while there's a lot of interchangability up front, the power game is not his strength. Luke would be the incunbent starter at the 4 and Brooks would indeed make a nice platoon there.
We really need Tony back, and he needs to come back for his own good. However some out-for-themselves people may have gotten in his ear telling him he hasn't gotten to show his skills here. Roy may have to do a re-recruiting job.

I agree on all accounts. Roy will do Roy and I'm confident in that. But I'm assuming since you didn't directly answer the "who starts beside Maye if TB leaves" question then we're on the same page as that as well. Hate to even think about it.
 
I agree on all accounts. Roy will do Roy and I'm confident in that. But I'm assuming since you didn't directly answer the "who starts beside Maye if TB leaves" question then we're on the same page as that as well. Hate to even think about it.
It would almost have to be Huffman since there really isn't anyone else and Manley is less ready now than Huffman IMO.
 
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Great summary Gary. I remember you touting that class and TBH it didn't take long for most of us to agree! Interesting you mention JB's comment about chemistry and how it's been better in the last two years. Someone musta left - ie addition by subtraction.... JP anyone?
 
Great summary Gary. I remember you touting that class and TBH it didn't take long for most of us to agree! Interesting you mention JB's comment about chemistry and how it's been better in the last two years. Someone musta left - ie addition by subtraction.... JP anyone?
I'm actually gonna mention the back story in a larger post later this week, but meanwhile I don't want to give the impression that he was disliked or any sort of cancer. It was as much a confluence of factors involving personnel changeover with the incoming class being so damned strong, along with Roy having to coach other some guys hard whilst trying (perhaps too long) to make mismatched pieces fit... in other words, the awkward stage of building a college team.

That being said... as much as I pulled for JP and his freaky athletic potential, I was not unhappy nor was I surprised that he left early. It was time for the core to become just that.
 
The question mark is JB. No doubt he'll also likely test, and no one could blame him for leaving with his jersey in the rafters. Hopefully the numbers game in this particular draft will dissuade him
A lot of PGs in the top 10 in the mocks. But only about 5 more in the rest of the draft, mainly in round 2. Might actually work well for JB. Depends on how many teams without a lottery pick really want a PG.

If they tell him to come back, or if he decides to come back, what should he be working on most?
 
A little over 3 years ago I posted on here with much enthusiasm that Roy had signed a "core class" --- 3 guys who would form a nucleus for Championship runs, and if the ball bounced right, would actually get one (that last part just took one longer than it should have ;)).

Back in the early 2000s UNC had done that previously with Felton, McCants and May. The only issue then was having someone who could coach em up ---- thankfully, along came Roy Williams. Well, Ol' Roy landed him another one with Berry, Pinson and Jackson. These guys were not only your 5* Burger Boy players, they had something special, and importantly. none were coming in OAD.

I had heard about Jackson's "Walking Buckets" rep of channeling George Gervin from a friend who coached against him in AAU, and he has right... and JJ has grown into a legit All-American. And ironically, Theo is the one I had heard the least about, but film showed why Roy loved him. I can tell ya, we don't have this Natty without our Swiss Army Knife getting healthy. Moreover, I also posted that Roy had picked up the "next great Carolina PG" in JB. I still just SMH at the idea that some scoffed. Seeing him once live in AAU was all it took to ace my eye-test, and looking up film just validated his status as an AAU legend, regularly taking highly touted PGs to school. So, now we sit celebrating after year 3, and JB has led this PG-oriented team to what?... 2 ACC Regular Season titles, an ACCT title (winning the Everett Case Award), 2 Final Fours w/ 2 Championship game appearances (first player since Bill Walton to score 20+ twice), and now a Natty (with MOP thrown in for good measure).

Obviously, 3 players can't do it alone --- they need other good players --- and Roy always finds other good players. Hell, we started 5 Burger Boys this season as upperclassmen! But it takes that core to give a team its soul, and these 3 Juniors have it in abundance. JB mentioned how much better the team chemistry was for these last 2 seasons than it was initially. That's the foundation for being cabable of fighting through adversity --- and the foundation for redemption.

So..... where we they go from here?
Buckets is gone, and should be. He answered all the questions and has played himself into a late Lotto or mid-1st-Rounder. I expect he'll declare and hire an agent. Theo will probablly test the waters and return. The question mark is JB. No doubt he'll also likely test, and no one could blame him for leaving with his jersey in the rafters. Hopefully the numbers game in this particular draft will dissuade him. Personally, I'll choose to be encouraged by this tidbit from last night's locker room interview:
“That means a lot to me. Big May told me to leave my legacy tonight. I think I did that. To be up there in the rafters, when I walk out in the gym, I look up there every day and I try to see who’s up there. There’s so many great guys up there. It’s an honor and a blessing to be able to get my name up there because every time I come back and visit the gym – even though I’ve got one more year left – to see my name up there will be something that will be an awesome feeling.”

We shall see. I'm not liking some of what I'm hearing concerning Tony, but... all I know for sure is that if Dog does come back, we'll manage to be pretty doggone good again. :cool:
Great post. Although, to be fair, a lot of us thought that was a fine class and only faulted it for not including a top PF or C.
 
A lot of PGs in the top 10 in the mocks. But only about 5 more in the rest of the draft, mainly in round 2. Might actually work well for JB. Depends on how many teams without a lottery pick really want a PG.

If they tell him to come back, or if he decides to come back, what should he be working on most?
It's not a good draft for JB. At leat 4 lotto PGs who are all freshmen. This incoming freshman class has no such array of PGs and JB could come back as pre-season AA and Cousy fave and start high on a lotta lists.
He just needs to stay healthy, further hone his shot that looked so damned good early this season, and work on his drive-and-dish game.
 
This years class will be our Top 50 develop the guys class and next years will be our core talent class. From a wins and loss perspective if Bradley leaves it may be ugly but hey we just won a natty. I would say Roy is implementing his blueprint that will give us multiple opportunities to win one or two more championships before he retires in the next 4-7 years
 
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Great post. Although, to be fair, a lot of us thought that was a fine class and only faulted it for not including a top PF or C.
Didn't need those. That's the point. Unless you repopulate like OAD schools do, or you just happen to have a bunch of schollies come open you don't need to bring in your next fab 5. Quality, fit and need is the key.
 
This years class will be our Top 50 develop the guys class and next years will be our core talent class. From a wins and loss perspective if Bradley leaves it may be ugly but hey we just won a natty. I would say Roy is implementing his blueprint that will give us multiple opportunities to win one or two more championships before he retires in the next 4-7 years

And he fully wants that expectation.
 
Those 3 guys were all awesome, core pieces that won a championship for us. Can't ask for much more. I hope Joel gives it one more go but we'll see.

Still struggling to see what next year will look like. Knox is such a no-brainer fit, hopefully he can see that. We've got guards up the wazoo if Joel returns, but the big situation is not going to be what it's been the last couple of years. If we have 2 of Berry, Tony, and Knox next year I like our chances. All 3 and we better get the popcorn ready for a show.
 
I like the idea of underclassmen testing the waters, it's a chance to get good (hopefully honest) feedback. It did wonders for Justin!

Personally, I'd like to see Tony come back and be a star. I think Joel might too (though he's a star already), and Theo likely will. If that's the case, I'm optimistic of another deep run.

Add a couple of pieces (Knox?) and it'll be hard to not think another FF is possible.
 
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