"Player Development" no longer exists.....

[keysersosay#1]

Drake trashed Hubert for not developing his game more...which was a cheap shot imo....but my response is who DOES do any of that nowadays??? Heck these kids regardless of where they are, are all looking to get to the league a s a p... or now withe portal and nil..get paid bigger bucks at another school. Powell had 6 months here...yet he wants HD to perform some magic. I am not picking on Drake, I like him and really wanted him back. But whether its him, Jackson, whomever,the days of watching a freshman develop over 2 to 4 years are gone. RJ may be the last of his kind.

Think this is only an HD issue?? Think again. Many on this board and in college ball generally, would throw Izzo out there as an example of a coach who is a developer of talent. In fact I watched a presser 2 months ago, during the Ncaa with Izzo..stating how much he wants players Who want to stay at MSU and learn and grow as players....then a month ago his starting point guard..Holloman...leaves after 3 years and is going to moou. Development????? loyalty ??? Hahaha. It is all transactional now in college and it sucks. College ball now is NBA lite...and after 50+ years as a fan..l am coming to dislike it more and more. HOPEFULLY SANITY may return sometime soon...although I am not holding my breath.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Seth and RJ are both good examples of it happening at UNC.

I agree 100% that the current game is not set up for peeps to gradually develop into well-rounded pros! Instant gratification + insane amounts of money have definitely changed the game and that is why all of the Old-school coaches are bailing!

May I disagree with one of the points currently circulating in the lazy talking head circuits on TV + Internets:
Drake didn't actually trash UNC IMO. He simply said he didn't get the chance to showcase his entire arsenal. (Unless there is something more out there I have missed) A few lazy clickbait artists turned this into headlines/soundbites but to me this is just him saying there is more I could do for your team! He is essentially on an extended job interview so it might not be prudent to say, "There is nothing more to my game than you've already seen; I can't possibly develop any more!" + Any good team player will sublimate parts of his game to help the team be more successful and that is across the breadth of basketball history! Until someone shows me more than this one sentence, I reject the premise that Drake was in any way disloyal to the Family!

 

[Mrs.Jeans15]

Yeah. Coaches are developing one and dones in less than one year or a few months.

That's a load of crap.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I didn’t see Drake’s comments. Probably better I don’t because I really like that young man. And maybe also because I know he’s right. Whether it’s happening everywhere or not, I can’t say. But I can say it’s definitely not happening under Hubert.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

You definitely can say that nobody fully develops a player in 1 year! You also can say that UNC has developed players under Hubs. Because they both are obvious. Drake did not trash UNC at all and what he said was not even critical of UNC. It was a statement to a potential employer that he had more tools in his arsenal not a statement saying he was held back by UNC! BTW, What did Ratty teach Zion??? Do you think Colonel Flagg will not need to learn things to complete his game?

What possible benefit to UNC can it be to constantly trash our coaching staff while we are trying to recruit??? Peeps' opinions are well known but since he is still our coach, maybe consider trying to help the PROGRAM by not contributing to the incessant noise by critics!

I want to see a good product on the court so I want them to get players. If we get the players and aren't successful then I don't need to worry about what UNC will do, this is also obvious!

 

[RoseHeel]

What possible benefit to UNC can it be to constantly trash our coaching staff while we are trying to recruit??? Peeps' opinions are well known but since he is still our coach, maybe consider trying to help the PROGRAM by not contributing to the incessant noise by critics!

4 Years in, already on the hotseat, and we still have to ignore our eyes and ears and treat this coaching staff with kid gloves???...Some on this board will never cease to amaze me with the persistent attempts to silence unflattering criticism because of how much they don't want to hear the truth. This ridiculous mindset is exactly why we ended up with this coaching staff in the first place.

If a potential player is using fan comments as a catalyst for commitment, they should probably keep it moving. We need players who are here to ball, not look at comments on a soon-to-be dead website (thanks On3).

 

[_B5]

In today’s game it is hard to develop players, however certain things seem easily achievable. Being able to hedge on defense or learning how to make an entry pass into post. On the other hand mismanagement of talent could also be looked at as a lack of player development!

 

[heels05champs]

The fairyland of rainbows and unicorns that a couple posters always live in is quite fascinating.

 

[gary-7]

I didn’t see Drake’s comments. Probably better I don’t because I really like that young man. And maybe also because I know he’s right. Whether it’s happening everywhere or not, I can’t say. But I can say it’s definitely not happening under Hubert.

His comments weren't as damning as some want to make out. In fact, if I had to guess, much of it came from his representation, who have been popping off a lot lately. As @keysersosay#1 correctly stated, players saying stuff like this ain't an exclusive Hubert-problem. In the Wild West NIL/Portal world, agents are constantly bitching about "NBA prep".

To that part, I say BULLSH**. UNC ain't here to be a damn NBA farm system team.

We're here to win and compete for championships. Now... if a player isn't being allowed to develop and utilize his skillset in a manner that helps THOSE priorities, welp, THEN we have a problem --- and that is something Drake (and his fellow departees) can legitimately complain about --- and that is what speaks to why he irrevocably committed to the draft.

 

[dtodd4475]

I took his comments as, UNC does not mimick the NBA systems being run, which would showcase his strengths for that fit. There is a large contingent here that feel we have swayed too much toward that already. Hard to have it both ways toward the "development" mentioned. I did not take it as a shot toward UNC or Hubert.

 

[keysersosay#1]

The point I was making in the post was not a defense of HD or anyone else. It is why I used Izzo as an example perhaps The example of how coaches irrespective of their reps or desire to develop players are faced with the reality of the one and done which they dealt with for years, coupled with the new 2 headed monster of portal and nil.

Back in the day Holloman at Msu would have stayed his 4th year..now moou throws bigger $$$$$ his way and he is gone. BTW , How much "development " did Flagg get under the vastly overrated coach of dook??? /He would have been drafted 1 if he had attended North Dakota st.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

The point I was making in the post was not a defense of HD or anyone else. It is why I used Izzo as an example perhaps The example of how coaches irrespective of their reps or desire to develop players are faced with the reality of the one and done which they dealt with for years, coupled with the new 2 headed monster of portal and nil.

Back in the day Holloman at Msu would have stayed his 4th year..now moou throws bigger $$$$$ his way and he is gone. BTW , How much "development " did Flagg get under the vastly overrated coach of dook??? /He would have been drafted 1 if he had attended North Dakota st.

in regards to flagg and even other kids at other schools, yes some come with really good games already, but development also include strength training/development, speed , agility, power, technique, game decisions/awareness...that's just a few, but coaches and staffs have years of experience that they impart on players to ultimately build better habits, tendencies, mental awareness, and etc...kids take away gobs knowledge from programs, how they use it, that's a different story... imo

 

[DSouthr]

You definitely can say that nobody fully develops a player in 1 year! You also can say that UNC has developed players under Hubs. Because they both are obvious. Drake did not trash UNC at all and what he said was not even critical of UNC. It was a statement to a potential employer that he had more tools in his arsenal not a statement saying he was held back by UNC! BTW, What did Ratty teach Zion??? Do you think Colonel Flagg will not need to learn things to complete his game?

What possible benefit to UNC can it be to constantly trash our coaching staff while we are trying to recruit??? Peeps' opinions are well known but since he is still our coach, maybe consider trying to help the PROGRAM by not contributing to the incessant noise by critics!

I want to see a good product on the court so I want them to get players. If we get the players and aren't successful then I don't need to worry about what UNC will do, this is also obvious!

I want to make one thing perfectly clear, anyone that tries to tell you that a kid right out of high school can be fully developed as a player in a single freshman season does not know what they are talking about. The truth is yes, they are exposed to a LOT in that freshman season but it is typically after their first off season of college play where you really see the development begin. So much of freshman seasons are a new kid adjusting to the college level competition they face. The fact that on D-1 teams, most every team member was once a high school star.

Yes, there are kids that can play in today's NBA if they were allowed to by pass college completely, Cooper Flag is one example, he didn't need duke to be the player he is, he brought all the tools he needed with, he was the same player game 1 for duke last season he was in the last game he played for duke. NBA players themselves told you that Flagg was ready for the NBA LAST SUMMER. There is no doubt a senior for duke version of Flagg would have been much better after 4years of developing in the college game to the freshman version.

IN addition, the college game is and always has been, at least since the NBA and/or the old ABA have/were been in existence a FREE developmental league for the NBA. They (colleges) have always taken players with talent and developed that talent that has staffed NBA teams. Yet the NBA treated the college game more like a rival than a free developmental league because they competed for "air time".

The college game today, because of the portal and NIL have taken away the most important tool coaches have to develop their players, they all want to play and they all want to play now or they jump to the portal. A few do stick around but far to many jump from one team to another looking for more minutes and more money, where the priority used to be on getting better as a individual player and as a team to win at the highest levels. BY the time you get a kid ready to give you solid productive minutes he is gone to help some other team? It has become a AAU type of mindset that has taken over, it is killing the college game, it may have already killed it.

 

[1heel4life]

Yeah. Coaches are developing one and dones in less than one year or a few months.

That's a load of crap.

That is absolutely a load of Bullshit!!!!!!

 

[superstar57]

Puke was good this year, but did Flagg develop under them. No, they simple based there team around him. That is not developing that is using his talents he already had to help them win. RJ was suspect as a freshman, showed flashes sophomore and became a ACC player of the year. That is developing.