Post-Maui stuff...

[gary-7]

...and this is about self-scouting.

Didn't post last night because my language may have been bannable, and this is about more than any one game. So, only gonna spend a few lines on that last one:
...like tired legs being obvious from the tip with the myriad short-armed finish misses --- or that a team that was literally ranked in the 300s in the NCAA D1 in 3-pt shooting lights it up on us --- or that we got that incompetent buffoon zebra (Curry) for the damn 3rd time in 4 games who thwarted our initial comeback by T-ing up Hubert (who wasn't even talking to him) after his partner-in-crime made a hideously bad call (or I should say, let Izzo make the call), and make no mistake, that changed the game --- or after leading another comeback and abusing their PG, EC misses a damn 99% layup to for the lead, then leads us back to force OT on Seth's splash --- or that we ran outta gas in said OT. Yeah, enough of that...

This is about deeper issues., and they are NOT the ones many fans fall back on. Our issues are NOT about who we got or did NOT get in the portal --- or which player might be struggling at whatever --- it is how the players we have are (or are NOT) being used.

Thus, as I said, it is time for this staff to do some serious SELF-scouting. The texts and calls I've gotten from my coach mafia during and after the game can be summed up by one in particular from my (Carolina-guy) AAU coach bud:
"WTF are we even doing???"

Y'all know I love this staff, but it is their collective pedigree that makes what I'm seeing so much of a "WTF?"
So, I actually hope one of them reads this, because here are 4 self-scouting points (that are BTW unanimous amongst my circle) that need to be corrected pronto (and I'll save the most important for last:
1. DEFENSE - Guys, we can NOT afford to just give opponents one look, and I don't care how good we are at it. We have the arsenal and the personnel made to be multiple. We used three series of 43 Tuesday and one of 42 last night, but there were myriad situations that screamed for scrambles.

2. PERSONNEL USAGE - We have a roster that has strengths and weaknesses (like most teams), but we SHOULD be legitimately deeper than we are showing. Tyson is being forgotten and that is helping neither him nor us. I know casual fans will jump to conclusions that he is a bust --- BS --- For those who watched practices, he proved himself worthy of starter consideration. He can play but is never gonna find his fit and mojo rotting on the bench. Powell, in particular is showing his value, and that's good. But we're not gonna win with 34 minutes of Withers (nothing against his value).

3. HALF-COURT OFFENSE - Hubert has a nice array of set plays and actions, BUT we are limiting ourselves by forgetting an inside-out game. Never forget that the highest % 3-pt shots come from rhythm kick-outs. We should be using mid-post entries with JWash as a shot-threat and passer, as opposed to just a screener and roller.

4. (and most important) RESTORE THE DAMN SECONDARY - for Christ sake, this is Dean's greatest invention and Roy's calling-card! There's a reason we aren't getting sh** off the Secondary these days --- we're doing it WRONG. There is nothing easier to defend than a team that just comes down and surrounds the defense. All you hafta do is get your guys to mirror and it stalls. The Secondary run properly is designed to stress a retreating defense, but there are TWO fundamental f***-ups going on right now:
A) NEVER use a cross-court pitch-ahead (unless it makes for a layup) --- all that does is balance the defense FOR them --- and I can tell this is not a player decision, it is being taught. Hell, Dean would've stopped practice if he saw that nonsense. You push middle or sideline which draws the defense and affords a reversal.
B) The magic key to the Secondary is the first 4/5 man sprinting to the block (rim-run, dive). It forces a reaction as it is option #1, making it difficult to account for everyone. We're are eschewing this critical component, which has killed the TRIGGER of the Carolina system, and puts us in an (ugh) 5-out set, which is just unsound pussery.

As I said prevciously, running a Secondary without the post option is like putting tits on a boar-hog.
Come on guys! I mean, three of you on our bench played for Roy Williams, and 3 played for Dean Smith!... well, somewhere up there Dean is face-palming right about now, and Roy won't say anything unless he is asked. He probably should, but he won't. So ASK! Please...

Anyway, good Thanksgving wishes for all, and well... I guess we shall see what happens next...

 

[sdingeldein]

thanks. I wonder if Roy and HD talk about the games. My guess is that they do.

 

[notashelbyfan]

I have seen one entry pass to the post in the 4 games they played in the tournament.

IMO is not a matter of if the guy you throw it to can score the ball or not but it's the action of making them sag just a bit to give the pass out a little bit of a cleaner look.

 

[NathanFielder]

I think this team has pretty major personnel issues.

The backcourt is good but it’s like water and oil. RJ and Cadeau are ball dominant guards. And Seth is quickly becoming a player you want having plays designed for too. There’s only one ball and all three need it in some capacity.

I’m not really disappointed by Withers. He’s shown this year to be the same inconsistent player he’s been for his entire college career. Was one more year in UNC’s system going to change that?

Through 3 seasons Washington hasn’t shown to be a starting caliber player at this level. That’s what the film says.

And the film to this point says Cade Tyson isn’t a rotational player at this level. I care somewhat what they do at practice. I really care what the game film shows. And apparently he’s great at practice but Hubert doesn’t trust him? That goes against every coach I’ve ever heard of. Coaches by in large value practice reps a ton. So that doesn’t make sense to me.

The freshman Jackson and Powell are certainly talented but I don’t think they’re consistent difference makers like the Rutgers freshmen for instance. So how much can you depend on them?

The reality right now is this team is more at Michigan State’s level. Probably a fringe top 25 team and one you hope develops and gets better as the season progresses.

I don’t buy fatigue as a relevant excuse. MSU played 3x in 3 days. Make the f’ing layup.

 

[gary-7]

I think this team has pretty major personnel issues.

The backcourt is good but it’s like water and oil. RJ and Cadeau are ball dominant guards. And Seth is quickly becoming a player you want having plays designed for too. There’s only one ball and all three need it in some capacity.

I’m not really disappointed by Withers. He’s shown this year to be the same inconsistent player he’s been for his entire college career. Was one more year in UNC’s system going to change that?

Through 3 seasons Washington hasn’t shown to be a starting caliber player at this level. That’s what the film says.

And the film to this point says Cade Tyson isn’t a rotational player at this level. I care somewhat what they do at practice. I really care what the game film shows. And apparently he’s great at practice but Hubert doesn’t trust him? That goes against every coach I’ve ever heard of. Coaches by in large value practice reps a ton. So that doesn’t make sense to me.

The freshman Jackson and Powell are certainly talented but I don’t think they’re consistent difference makers like the Rutgers freshmen for instance. So how much can you depend on them?

The reality right now is this team is more at Michigan State’s level. Probably a fringe top 25 team and one you hope develops and gets better as the season progresses.

I don’t buy fatigue as a relevant excuse. MSU played 3x in 3 days. Make the f’ing layup.

It's not about personnel. Other than maybe Auburn, literally everyone has personnel issues. This is college basketball. The task is to maximize what you have and we can play with anybody if we would just do that.

 

[al would]

And after suffering through as much of a re-watch of some of the Maui games as I could stand, and after many servings of stuffed turkey, Wild Turkey and some Ole Smokey Butter Pecan moonshine deserts I would like to summarize what a pure layman, but long time UNC fan, has to say about the Maui tournament and this team thus far. As well as a condensed version of @gary-7 's eloquent coaching perspective.

Gary's summary:

1) Hubert sucks as a head coach
2) our offensive spacing, movement and use of available personnel sucks.
3) our defense sucks and once again we go through a group that has yet to grasp the concept of defensive rotations or closing out on, and getting a hand in the faces of, the jump shooters.
4) Hubert sucks as a head coach.

Now my additions:

1) This small ball crap with EC/RJ/Seth ain't gonna fly.
2) Drake and Jack need more time on the floor together (with EC and Seth).
3) If RJ was putting up his current numbers as a frosh or sophomore would you RJ fan clubbers still be giving him such latitude and love? Sports is a "what have you done for me lately" thing. But I really hope he get's "it"
back but for now he's putting to much pressure on himself. He needs to remember UNC is team first and records and accolades are secondary.
4) This coming out flat and being down double digits, in multiple games in a tournament, is a BRF (big red flag) and a direct reflection on game prep, attitude and the coaching staff.
5) Rebounding (effort and lack of rebound positioning) sucks
5) Hubert is once again quickly becoming hubcap.

 

[Ozheelfan]

Thanks for your observations Gary. I, sadly or luckily, didn't get to watch any of the Maui games and so can't comment directly..... but it seems to me that Hubert is insisting on playing a "system" of his own choosing, not traditional Carolina basketball, and possibly not in tune with the players he has.

I have not enjoyed Hubert's time so far, besides that golden run fuelled by Brady Manek and closed out by Caleb Love's hot hand.

There have been too many question marks for a program with the pedigree of UNC over the last 3-4 years, and now that he's not getting it done recruiting-wise, it's hard to see what Hubert is actually good at.... this is not work experience, this is a very highly regarded and hugely compensated position in the sport.

I wonder how long it will be before people who have a say decide it's not fair on players, fans and the program to allow a 55yr old to learn on the job.

 

[alabamaheel]

And after suffering through as much of a re-watch of some of the Maui games as I could stand, and after many servings of stuffed turkey, Wild Turkey and some Ole Smokey Butter Pecan moonshine deserts I would like to summarize what a pure layman, but long time UNC fan, has to say about the Maui tournament and this team thus far. As well as a condensed version of @gary-7 's eloquent coaching perspective.

Gary's summary:

1) Hubert sucks as a head coach
2) our offensive spacing, movement and use of available personnel sucks.
3) our defense sucks and once again we go through a group that has yet to grasp the concept of defensive rotations or closing out on, and getting a hand in the faces of, the jump shooters.
4) Hubert sucks as a head coach.

Now my additions:

1) This small ball crap with EC/RJ/Seth ain't gonna fly.
2) Drake and Jack need more time on the floor together (with EC and Seth).
3) If RJ was putting up his current numbers as a frosh or sophomore would you RJ fan clubbers still be giving him such latitude and love? Sports is a "what have you done for me lately" thing. But I really hope he get's "it"
back but for now he's putting to much pressure on himself. He needs to remember UNC is team first and records and accolades are secondary.
4) This coming out flat and being down double digits, in multiple games in a tournament, is a BRF (big red flag) and a direct reflection on game prep, attitude and the coaching staff.
5) Rebounding (effort and lack of rebound positioning) sucks
5) Hubert is once again quickly becoming hubcap.

lol that’s a big IF question. If my aunt had balls, I could call her my uncle. But I’ll bite, he’s not a sophomore and he didn’t put up those numbers as a sophomore. Those are facts. I think that’s why he does get some leeway. IMO it’s almost ran out, but you want to give the ball up to two freshmen who supposedly won’t be here next year. Interesting. I don’t think it’s a selfish or a nonteam first attitude. You don’t want to give him credit for anything and that’s fine, but you dang sure didn’t gripe when he’s gotten it done for unc. If you can’t see him getting the majority of the pressure due to our lack of bigs and others not needing pressure to be guarded, then by all means keep going.
I know one thing we can agree on, our coaches need to bow up. There’s a lot more that can be fixed with this team than rjs struggles. If they can’t see it with J Wit then they may not even see anything wrong with rjs shooting lol

 

[gkss]

...and this is about self-scouting.

Didn't post last night because my language may have been bannable, and this is about more than any one game. So, only gonna spend a few lines on that last one:
...like tired legs being obvious from the tip with the myriad short-armed finish misses --- or that a team that was literally ranked in the 300s in the NCAA D1 in 3-pt shooting lights it up on us --- or that we got that incompetent buffoon zebra (Curry) for the damn 3rd time in 4 games who thwarted our initial comeback by T-ing up Hubert (who wasn't even talking to him) after his partner-in-crime made a hideously bad call (or I should say, let Izzo make the call), and make no mistake, that changed the game --- or after leading another comeback and abusing their PG, EC misses a damn 99% layup to for the lead, then leads us back to force OT on Seth's splash --- or that we ran outta gas in said OT. Yeah, enough of that...

This is about deeper issues., and they are NOT the ones many fans fall back on. Our issues are NOT about who we got or did NOT get in the portal --- or which player might be struggling at whatever --- it is how the players we have are (or are NOT) being used.

Thus, as I said, it is time for this staff to do some serious SELF-scouting. The texts and calls I've gotten from my coach mafia during and after the game can be summed up by one in particular from my (Carolina-guy) AAU coach bud:
"WTF are we even doing???"

Y'all know I love this staff, but it is their collective pedigree that makes what I'm seeing so much of a "WTF?"
So, I actually hope one of them reads this, because here are 4 self-scouting points (that are BTW unanimous amongst my circle) that need to be corrected pronto (and I'll save the most important for last:
1. DEFENSE - Guys, we can NOT afford to just give opponents one look, and I don't care how good we are at it. We have the arsenal and the personnel made to be multiple. We used three series of 43 Tuesday and one of 42 last night, but there were myriad situations that screamed for scrambles.

2. PERSONNEL USAGE - We have a roster that has strengths and weaknesses (like most teams), but we SHOULD be legitimately deeper than we are showing. Tyson is being forgotten and that is helping neither him nor us. I know casual fans will jump to conclusions that he is a bust --- BS --- For those who watched practices, he proved himself worthy of starter consideration. He can play but is never gonna find his fit and mojo rotting on the bench. Powell, in particular is showing his value, and that's good. But we're not gonna win with 34 minutes of Withers (nothing against his value).

3. HALF-COURT OFFENSE - Hubert has a nice array of set plays and actions, BUT we are limiting ourselves by forgetting an inside-out game. Never forget that the highest % 3-pt shots come from rhythm kick-outs. We should be using mid-post entries with JWash as a shot-threat and passer, as opposed to just a screener and roller.

4. (and most important) RESTORE THE DAMN SECONDARY - for Christ sake, this is Dean's greatest invention and Roy's calling-card! There's a reason we aren't getting sh** off the Secondary these days --- we're doing it WRONG. There is nothing easier to defend than a team that just comes down and surrounds the defense. All you hafta do is get your guys to mirror and it stalls. The Secondary run properly is designed to stress a retreating defense, but there are TWO fundamental f***-ups going on right now:
A) NEVER use a cross-court pitch-ahead (unless it makes for a layup) --- all that does is balance the defense FOR them --- and I can tell this is not a player decision, it is being taught. Hell, Dean would've stopped practice if he saw that nonsense. You push middle or sideline which draws the defense and affords a reversal.
B) The magic key to the Secondary is the first 4/5 man sprinting to the block (rim-run, dive). It forces a reaction as it is option #1, making it difficult to account for everyone. We're are eschewing this critical component, which has killed the TRIGGER of the Carolina system, and puts us in an (ugh) 5-out set, which is just unsound pussery.

As I said prevciously, running a Secondary without the post option is like putting tits on a boar-hog.
Come on guys! I mean, three of you on our bench played for Roy Williams, and 3 played for Dean Smith!... well, somewhere up there Dean is face-palming right about now, and Roy won't say anything unless he is asked. He probably should, but he won't. So ASK! Please...

Anyway, good Thanksgving wishes for all, and well... I guess we shall see what happens next...

Good breakdown as usual gary-7. I like our team. I want to see balance on offense, bringing back the secondary break. We’re deep enough to wear teams down with an in to out offense and a defensive that brings pressure. Got to get some confidence in JWash and Tyson- they are better than they are playing. RJ may need to pull back a little and not force things and look to involve his teammates a little more. I think this will get him in the flow too. Our kids are playing hard and I hope our staff can put them in position to maximize their abilities.

 

[montana_heel]

I would add that our guards assist to turnover ratio is horrendous. Seems like we don't value the ball or play hard nosed defense until we are down 15. Just improve those 2 things and we are in every game we have played.

Really seems like having consistent effort is an issue. Remedy that and I think we are a top 10 team.

There are other things that I would like to see but don't have the knowledge of seeing practice like the coaches. Do hope we can lower minutes of our starting guards for more time to the freshman. I would love to see that so we could apply nonstop pressure and get into the other teams legs late in the game. That might lower opponents 3 point shooting. Excited to see more from Drake and Ian and maybe even a sprinkle of James.

 

[alabamaheel]

I would add that our guards assist to turnover ratio is horrendous. Seems like we don't value the ball or play hard nosed defense until we are down 15. Just improve those 2 things and we are in every game we have played.

Really seems like having consistent effort is an issue. Remedy that and I think we are a top 10 team.

There are other things that I would like to see but don't have the knowledge of seeing practice like the coaches. Do hope we can lower minutes of our starting guards for more time to the freshman. I would love to see that so we could apply nonstop pressure and get into the other teams legs late in the game. That might lower opponents 3 point shooting. Excited to see more from Drake and Ian and maybe even a sprinkle of James.

I agree and knowing the depth of guard play we have why don’t we pressure a lot more? My only guess is fouling problems. EC can barely play the last few games for foul trouble. Doesn’t matter if it’s warranted or not, they’ve called them. Need to have more awareness of time and place. All that said, the top of my head wanted to come off when they called the foul before the timeout by ms. Total garbage. Even the announcers and ms bench was surprised.

 

[DSouthr]

While I do agree with the majority of what gary is saying, I do jump ship in feeling, as I shared so many times during the portal, not adding a legit big man was a strong miss. Simply put WE are simply a small team. We lack length and girth and it costs us against physical teams with size over us and yes there are ways you can mitigate that to an extent but it becomes a version of whack a mole, stop one problem only to create another. You can double the post but who do you leave open for example. Length is one thing but girth is a thing few seem to talk about.

Last season with Bacot, he was that huge big man that had the girth and physical strength to both hold his position as well as push opposing players away from theirs. JWash, JWit, Lubin, and for darn sure Tyson nor Drake have that. JWash has the length but he does not have the arse as we say, Brown is not ready and High is MIA so we spend a lot of minutes with 6'6" to 6'8"centers. JWash, out longest regular player got less than 14mins vs MSU. It is hard enough to deal with a really small point and 2 guard, add to that a 6'3" wing, a 6'8" power forward, and a lot of time with a badly under sized 5? See, that is the problem with small ball, that is why small ball is extremely high risk if it is your primary look, don't look now but we are about to start a 6'6" power forward, yea, cool, so we get even shorter? But, it is as well beginning to look like we could very well start a 6'8" CENTER that is NOT built like Sean Maye or Meeks.

Yes, all the concerns gary expresses are legit but I doubt I can be convinced that our lack of size and strength in our front court is not a concern. It is in my view exactly what will limit this team and high school recruiting has surely not addressed this problem.

 

[notashelbyfan]

I would add that our guards assist to turnover ratio is horrendous. Seems like we don't value the ball or play hard nosed defense until we are down 15. Just improve those 2 things and we are in every game we have played.

Really seems like having consistent effort is an issue. Remedy that and I think we are a top 10 team.

There are other things that I would like to see but don't have the knowledge of seeing practice like the coaches. Do hope we can lower minutes of our starting guards for more time to the freshman. I would love to see that so we could apply nonstop pressure and get into the other teams legs late in the game. That might lower opponents 3 point shooting. Excited to see more from Drake and Ian and maybe even a sprinkle of James.

Assist to turnover is going to be bad every time when they don't have anyone to throw the ball to but themselves.

 

[gary-7]

Good breakdown as usual gary-7. I like our team. I want to see balance on offense, bringing back the secondary break. We’re deep enough to wear teams down with an in to out offense and a defensive that brings pressure. Got to get some confidence in JWash and Tyson- they are better than they are playing. RJ may need to pull back a little and not force things and look to involve his teammates a little more. I think this will get him in the flow too. Our kids are playing hard and I hope our staff can put them in position to maximize their abilities.

Thank you. This^ is the reasonable synopsis.

 

[gary-7]

And after suffering through as much of a re-watch of some of the Maui games as I could stand, and after many servings of stuffed turkey, Wild Turkey and some Ole Smokey Butter Pecan moonshine deserts I would like to summarize what a pure layman, but long time UNC fan, has to say about the Maui tournament and this team thus far. As well as a condensed version of @gary-7 's eloquent coaching perspective.

Gary's summary:

1) Hubert sucks as a head coach
2) our offensive spacing, movement and use of available personnel sucks.
3) our defense sucks and once again we go through a group that has yet to grasp the concept of defensive rotations or closing out on, and getting a hand in the faces of, the jump shooters.
4) Hubert sucks as a head coach.

Now my additions:

1) This small ball crap with EC/RJ/Seth ain't gonna fly.
2) Drake and Jack need more time on the floor together (with EC and Seth).
3) If RJ was putting up his current numbers as a frosh or sophomore would you RJ fan clubbers still be giving him such latitude and love? Sports is a "what have you done for me lately" thing. But I really hope he get's "it"
back but for now he's putting to much pressure on himself. He needs to remember UNC is team first and records and accolades are secondary.
4) This coming out flat and being down double digits, in multiple games in a tournament, is a BRF (big red flag) and a direct reflection on game prep, attitude and the coaching staff.
5) Rebounding (effort and lack of rebound positioning) sucks
5) Hubert is once again quickly becoming hubcap.

I neither said, nor implied that Hubert sucks. He needs to self-scout and stop trying to reinvent the wheel.

 

[gary-7]

Yes, all the concerns gary expresses are legit but I doubt I can be convinced that our lack of size and strength in our front court is not a concern. It is in my view exactly what will limit this team and high school recruiting has surely not addressed this problem.

Didn't say it wasn't a concern, it's an issue that needs to be adjusted to, and the best way to do that is to not be predictable on defense, and utilize mid-post action on offense.

 

[DSouthr]

Didn't say it wasn't a concern, it's an issue that needs to be adjusted to, and the best way to do that is to not be predictable on defense, and utilize mid-post action on offense.

All that can be done at this point is to adjust as best we can, as I said, mitigate the problem as best we can( I do not disagree with your suggested adjustments). If being honest, I am not convinced workable adjustments will be made, I mean you are talking about "adjustments" that frankly should have been no brainier standard operating procedure that must now be adjusted to?

Our defensive approach, other than Roy didn't really switch in to multiple looks defensively either? I never understood why Roy did it either, stay with the same defensive approach but get down and have to dig out of a hole then all the sudden we are pressing and trapping, going in to scramble? Geez, if it is good enough to dig us out of a hole then why are we not doing those things as a regular course of the game?

This defense we seem intent on playing is odd, it appears to be a man defense with zone principles due to all the switching for no reason? I believe you never switch unless you have to, that isn't what we are doing. We are switching when a guy simply enters an area rather than because the primary defender is trailing? Roy lived by the scramble, fine but it does lead to mismatches and teams game plan it. That is why multiple defenses work, they can't be as ready for every look as they can be with just 1. Never will understand why Roy didn't not copy paste that from Dean nor why Hubert has seemed to scrap it?

 

[notashelbyfan]

All that can be done at this point is to adjust as best we can, as I said, mitigate the problem as best we can( I do not disagree with your suggested adjustments). If being honest, I am not convinced workable adjustments will be made, I mean you are talking about "adjustments" that frankly should have been no brainier standard operating procedure that must now be adjusted to?

Our defensive approach, other than Roy didn't really switch in to multiple looks defensively either? I never understood why Roy did it either, stay with the same defensive approach but get down and have to dig out of a hole then all the sudden we are pressing and trapping, going in to scramble? Geez, if it is good enough to dig us out of a hole then why are we not doing those things as a regular course of the game?

This defense we seem intent on playing is odd, it appears to be a man defense with zone principles due to all the switching for no reason? I believe you never switch unless you have to, that isn't what we are doing. We are switching when a guy simply enters an area rather than because the primary defender is trailing? Roy lived by the scramble, fine but it does lead to mismatches and teams game plan it. That is why multiple defenses work, they can't be as ready for every look as they can be with just 1. Never will understand why Roy didn't not copy paste that from Dean nor why Hubert has seemed to scrap it?

I would be willing to bet Dean and Roy could explain and justify why they did what they did and I wouldn't think Hubert could do that.

 

[gary-7]

All that can be done at this point is to adjust as best we can, as I said, mitigate the problem as best we can( I do not disagree with your suggested adjustments). If being honest, I am not convinced workable adjustments will be made, I mean you are talking about "adjustments" that frankly should have been no brainier standard operating procedure that must now be adjusted to?

Our defensive approach, other than Roy didn't really switch in to multiple looks defensively either? I never understood why Roy did it either, stay with the same defensive approach but get down and have to dig out of a hole then all the sudden we are pressing and trapping, going in to scramble? Geez, if it is good enough to dig us out of a hole then why are we not doing those things as a regular course of the game?

This defense we seem intent on playing is odd, it appears to be a man defense with zone principles due to all the switching for no reason? I believe you never switch unless you have to, that isn't what we are doing. We are switching when a guy simply enters an area rather than because the primary defender is trailing? Roy lived by the scramble, fine but it does lead to mismatches and teams game plan it. That is why multiple defenses work, they can't be as ready for every look as they can be with just 1. Never will understand why Roy didn't not copy paste that from Dean nor why Hubert has seemed to scrap it?

We complained about Roy not neing as multiple as Dean, but hell, even he was way more so than Hubert. Tellingly, Roy got less multiple over time, and I truly believe that contibuted to some of the disappointing results of his later years.

As far as our base D now, it is a sound scheme that has generally worked well, but Weds we started getting caught in up/down switches (that Izzo was trying to induce) which is a no-no. But what that shows is, in staying in one defense, we become sitting ducks for that sort of manipulation.

As for what you said about the offense, yeah, I think "no-brainer" is an apt description of what should have ben there from the outset...