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Question regarding UNC NCAA investigation

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Seeing that UL has self-imposed a postseason ban got me to wondering where the heck the UNC investigation is. I'm curious if anyone has any inkling on when the NCAA investigation is set to be complete. Are there any rumors on whether there will be sanctions imposed or simply a "you should have known better" statement issued?

As an aside - and offering up an opinion that is in no way especially insightful - it's amazing the NCAA is as slow and incompetent as they are. Something needs to be done to clean it up. Not only these types of investigations but the player investigations as well. As a KU fan, I couldn't believe the NCAA was looking into elementary school transcripts from Diallo from back in Africa, let alone letting the investigation drag into the season. UNC's investigation seems to have dragged on forever, wth?
 
Seeing that UL has self-imposed a postseason ban got me to wondering where the heck the UNC investigation is. I'm curious if anyone has any inkling on when the NCAA investigation is set to be complete. Are there any rumors on whether there will be sanctions imposed or simply a "you should have known better" statement issued?

As an aside - and offering up an opinion that is in no way especially insightful - it's amazing the NCAA is as slow and incompetent as they are. Something needs to be done to clean it up. Not only these types of investigations but the player investigations as well. As a KU fan, I couldn't believe the NCAA was looking into elementary school transcripts from Diallo from back in Africa, let alone letting the investigation drag into the season. UNC's investigation seems to have dragged on forever, wth?[/QUOTE

The problem with the NCAA is that they are not consistent.
 
Very good question. And something we are all wondering as well, when the hell is this BS gonna get resolved (one way or the other). It's hurting us on the recruiting trail, by having the unknown linger for years now. If you go check out Duke's board, they have a poster (who is absolutely obsessed with UNC) who seems to think he knows what's gonna happen, but in reality he's just a delusional blowhard who enjoys spending countless hours following fake twitters and whatnot.

My opinion is that the NCAA believes bad stuff was going on, but isn't able to actually lay down any sanctions (be that because they don't have ample proof, or it's outside of their jurisdiction, or whatever). Therefore, they figure they'll give Carolina a de facto penalty, by keeping the cloud over the recruiting process for a few years. If that's the case, props to them - because it's worked out just how they envisioned.
 
if they win the National championship this year which is more of an outside shot than I thought when the season started then it would be a cool FU in the face of the NCAA
 
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if they win the National championship this year which is more of an outside shot than I thought when the season started then it would be a cool FU in the face of the NCAA
Would be nice but I don't see why your expectations/enthusiasm would have decreased, we haven't been fully healthy more than 5 games this year..Paige won't shoot 3-29 again, and nobody expected Brice to be a Wooden finalist? We're ok..8-1
 
if they win the National championship this year which is more of an outside shot than I thought when the season started then it would be a cool FU in the face of the NCAA

As much as I hope we win it all I don't think the ncaa will let it happen jmo
 
Seeing that UL has self-imposed a postseason ban got me to wondering where the heck the UNC investigation is. I'm curious if anyone has any inkling on when the NCAA investigation is set to be complete. Are there any rumors on whether there will be sanctions imposed or simply a "you should have known better" statement issued?

As an aside - and offering up an opinion that is in no way especially insightful - it's amazing the NCAA is as slow and incompetent as they are. Something needs to be done to clean it up. Not only these types of investigations but the player investigations as well. As a KU fan, I couldn't believe the NCAA was looking into elementary school transcripts from Diallo from back in Africa, let alone letting the investigation drag into the season. UNC's investigation seems to have dragged on forever, wth?
Louisville just pulled the classic preemptive tactic. Self-admit and/or self-impose so hopefully the NCAA will go easier. Sometimes it works.
Bottom line for us is it has zero relation to UNC's situation. There will be no sanctions against UNC men's basketball, nor should there be.
 
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Seeing that UL has self-imposed a postseason ban got me to wondering where the heck the UNC investigation is. I'm curious if anyone has any inkling on when the NCAA investigation is set to be complete. Are there any rumors on whether there will be sanctions imposed or simply a "you should have known better" statement issued?

As an aside - and offering up an opinion that is in no way especially insightful - it's amazing the NCAA is as slow and incompetent as they are. Something needs to be done to clean it up. Not only these types of investigations but the player investigations as well. As a KU fan, I couldn't believe the NCAA was looking into elementary school transcripts from Diallo from back in Africa, let alone letting the investigation drag into the season. UNC's investigation seems to have dragged on forever, wth?

The NCAA is caught in a bind with us, IMO they are trying to find a way out of the pickle they are in. No matter how many times this is discussed by the media and now I see a congressman feeling the need to discuss it, they have ALL misrepresented what occurred.

The pickle the NCAA is in is that they have already determined this was a academic issue and not a athletic issue, they have already stated very clearly for the public record this much and they have as well made it crystal clear that the NCAA does NOT have any authority what so ever over academics UNLESS the athlletes were steered to those classes by members of the athletic dept. The ONLY members of the athletic dept that may have in any way been associated with any of this may be womens basketball coaches and some olympic sports coaches. But few really care about that, they want the heads of our basketball and football programs. The fact that they can not hang either our basketball or football programs with this is one side of the pickle.

The other side of the pickle is what occurred with Penn St, a awful situation for sure but another situation that the NCAA acted more out of a desire to give the general public what they wanted, someone severely punished for a awful situation but the NCAA meeting out punishment in an area they actually had not authority to do so and that ended them up in court, a mistake they do not want to recommit.

So you have the general public out there near demanding severe punishment due to the medias total mis-reporting and spin but the NCAA realizing the issue for what it is and knowing it is actually not something they have authority over or ability to punish for. All the while the the NCAA sits back and wrings their hands not knowing what to do, realizing that if they do not hit UNC hard the general public will be in a uproar and knowing they do not have the authority to do much more than tough talk.

Yeah, they will hit us with the lack of institutional control, at most that means a hefty fine and probation but anything short of post season bans, games being stripped, scholarship reductions, and banners being pulled down is not going to be received well by the general public and the media will have yet another field day.

mean while no matter how in direct violation issues at SMU, Syracuse, or Louisville may have been of NCAA guidelines, no matter how punishable those offenses were because they actually did include direct and specific involvement of their basketball coaches the yellow dog media is demanding that UNC be harsher punished than any of those. The media does not care what actually happened and they care less for what the NCAA can do by its charter, they want to see a great program taken down hard because that sells for them, that keeps them worthy of followship. And I do think some of them are well meaning, but rather than do their own investigation they rely of prior reports by other media members, meaning they are lazy, deciding to take what someone else has said and adding their own version of spin to it, many times IMO fully believing they are right, that something far to wrong to not be harshly punished occurred and feeling a very strong punishment is deserved.

The notice of allegations has already been served to UNC by the NCAA, this whole thing may have been over and done with by now had it not been for UNC itself discovering a concern with soccer and self reporting that delaying the process once again. While the NCAA has not been in any way quick to get this over and done with in many cases UNC itself has delayed the issue by ordering its own multiple investigations and the NCAA electing rightfully to delay until those investigations were complete to see if they turned up any new information. Lost to the general public is the fact that UNC itself took steps well over and above what would have been taken at most schools. Most schools would have stone walled, not helped, most schools would have taken any measure possible to keep any skeletons secured in the closet but UNC opened the doors up totally, looking to hide nothing and in fact offering much more information that the NCAA could have ever expected any school to do. And every time UNC had opened things up the media has feasted on it by spinning any and everything is negative as imagination can allow and in some case exceeding even that.

So that is where we are left, with the NCAA trying to find some graceful way out of this knowing there is actually little they can punish for and knowing no matter what they do the media will crusify them. It is gonna be a interesting summer for sure but hopefully by the end of the summer this whole thing will be over and done with finally. Many folks will not be happy because their wet dreams of UNC getting the death penalty will not be satisfied but they should have paid more attention to the truth than the media spin. The media, they are the real villians here, they have lied and then doubled down on their lies and fed directly in to the prayers of many of our rivals fans greatest wish. Oh well, I sincerely hope they have to price to pay for that, doubt they do, they create the news they want to report now days, they have not actually reported the truth in years, doubt many of them even know how to at this point.
 
Yes, If UNC lawyers are half as good as they are being paid, they will have a field day with the NCAA. Despite all the morons that hate UNC saying committed all this horrific violations, they committed none. It was an academic issue. NCAA is trying to turn it into an athletic issue much like the Penn State fiasco.
 
I have come to the point of just IGNORING the moronic and IGNORANT(they DO NOT KNOW wtf they are talking about) comments on ANY message board or any publication, from the likes of any moo, dook KY heck ANY fan that spouts off about Carolina.

ALL of them have swallowed whole the N and O, Kone DSPN media spin which is completely void of facts and has a clear agenda ,which is to destroy Carolina athletics.

This is the same media which completely ignores the corruption at Dook and has never so much as ask a question about the Lance Thomas scam, still covered up to this day.

Every single one of them can wallow in their jealousy, misery and pain. They really deserve nothing less.
 
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Yes, If UNC lawyers are half as good as they are being paid, they will have a field day with the NCAA. Despite all the morons that hate UNC saying committed all this horrific violations, they committed none. It was an academic issue. NCAA is trying to turn it into an athletic issue much like the Penn State fiasco.

I understand it being an academic issue. If they had bogus grades doesn't that bring in the NCAA on the athletic side? Weren't the bogus grades that were passed out used to keep players eligible? Seems a lot like a dog chasing his tail.
 
there is a difference between easy classes and unaccredited classes. best as i can tell the classes have been judged to be accredited by whatever group does this in the NC system even thought they were definitely easy. the fact that the classes were accredited with the right people makes all of the grades given in these classes legit. in addition the fact that the classes were offered and taken by the general population and not just students makes it hard to prove that these classes were just done to keep athletes eligible.
 
It is not within the NCAA's purview to police academic issues, period. What UNC did as an academic institution was wrong but those types of classes are offered at almost any University. It is not within the NCAA's jurisdiction to police what were accredited courses. Should they have been offered? No, but they were and half the students in those classes were not athletes, so are we supposed to take away their degrees now?

Athletes in a lot of big revenue sports tend to take easier classes or be in "easier" programs, let's be honest here. A while ago OSU and Michigan had charts detailing the majors their football players were in. The majority were: Undeclared, Kinesiology, Exploring, Sociology, Sports and Leisure Studies and even Family Resource Management. Those are two of the better public universities. Most athletes are in these easier programs, they don't have the same amount of time to dedicate to their school work and let's be realistic in some cases these kids would not have been able to attend these universities under the regular admission standards.
 
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To add on to that Cal, which is the top public university in the country regularly turns away applicants with A averages yet their admission standards for athletes in revenue generating sports is B- and even allows for a C average. If easy classes can be considered "impermissible benefits", what about schools with lower admission standards than other colleges? Do they not have an important recruiting advantage over schools who may not be able to accept a one and done talent with bad grades? Newsflash, a lot of these kids are not here for the free education, they want to play pro somewhere. We all know that a lot of these basketball players attend prep schools or diploma mills to even gain eligibility, it's a systemic issue and it goes deep in college athletics.
 
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It is THE reason why every single rival college coach has kept his yap SHUT during all this crap. They KNOW what THEIR schools are doing and just do not want any undue attention on THEM
 
To add on to that Cal, which is the top public university in the country regularly turns away applicants with A averages yet their admission standards for athletes in revenue generating sports is B- and even allows for a C average. If easy classes can be considered "impermissible benefits", what about schools with lower admission standards than other colleges? Do they not have an important recruiting advantage over schools who may not be able to accept a one and done talent with bad grades? Newsflash, a lot of these kids are not here for the free education, they want to play pro somewhere. We all know that a lot of these basketball players attend prep schools or diploma mills to even gain eligibility, it's a systemic issue and it goes deep in college athletics.

The vast majority of football/basketball recruits would not qualify as regular students, tarh33ls, the vast majority. GT had the highest average SAT scores for football players in the entire country at 1028. UNC and dook weren't even listed in the top ten. How many of UNC or dook's football players scored the requisite 1400+ to qualify for regular admission? Very, very few I'd imagine. And I don't imagine the basketball scores are any better. And since the ACC's admission requirements are more stringent than most other conferences, well you see where I'm going.

Point is, most D1 football/basketball athletes are being held to much reduced standards from the get go. The vast majority would never have been eligible for acceptance if they weren't spotted 300-400 SAT points. The term student athlete is an oxymoron for most of them.
 
Precisely. Obviously those students have to take easier classes because they simply don't have the academic aptitude to do well in the more difficult majors and classes. I'm not condoning what happened at UNC, I'm simply stating that every university offers easier classes/majors and athletes are often the beneficiaries since the rest of the student body was able to get in on merit alone (in the vast majority of cases). These students also have the benefit of tutors and other resources that may not be readily available to your average student.
 
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It is THE reason why every single rival college coach has kept his yap SHUT during all this crap. They KNOW what THEIR schools are doing and just do not want any undue attention on THEM

They have kept their mouths shut publicly. On the recruiting trail not so much
 
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