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...and I got to see this one in person, and lemme start by reiterating that anyone who wants to replace the Dean Dome has f***ing rocks in their head. I mean, seriously?...

OK, to the game. Not gonna delve too much into the usual stuff, as this was a chance to have a "reset" game --- thus, I'll concentrate on whether or not we accomplished anything to that end. I posted a thread a few days ago --- one that predictably went off the rails --- about what we needed to see, and unfortunately, that mostly came up short. But let's go over a few points:

- In the aforementioned thread I noted that UNC leads NCAA D1 in 2nd half scoring, while ranking 81st during the 1st half. Welp--- more of the same tonight: 40 - 57. Sheesh.

- RJ seemed to rediscover his outside stroke, so Lord knows let's hope that carries over.

- Ian and Drake acquitted themselves well, but there was too much one-on-one that might not hunt in confernce. What I really liked though was their confidence shooting off the catch.

- With Seth out Tyson got a lot of run. Wouldn't ya know his shot would be off tonight, BUT... he played well and needs to continue to get minutes.

- Our defense tonight was like "we'll turn it up when we think we need it". When the effort was there we locked down a possession, but mostly it wasn't --- and nobody seemed to think it was a good idea to guard #2.

- We did rediscover getting our Bigs actual scoring ops, but it was mostly limited to lobs and PnRs (in both of which Eliot was just sick). The bad news is I only noted two regular entry passes. That needs to increase.

- Speaking of EC, neat double-double of 12 and 12 in the score book --- 12 and 13 in the real world (he got jacked out of yet another dime at home --- what else is f***ing new?)

- Finally, I went to the game with some relatives who live in Chapel Hill, and Sat night at dinner they were asking me to explain why the Heels have been struggling offensively, so I drew up our foibles on a dinner napkin, and during the game my cousin was saying "OMG, that's exactly what you were talking about" as we mucked up yet another Secondary opportunity. And then, sure enough, the one time our 4-man (Tyson) actually went to the ball-side block as God and Dean intended, we got a lay-up. Gee... how'd that happen?

Anyway, nice to see an easy win and perhaps some renewed shooting confidence from RJ. However, other than the Secondary, what concerns me is that watching live (with great seats) brought out even clearer what I've been seeing on the screen --- that there's a lack of "buy-in" as to much of the offensive scheme, and that's not on the players as much as it is on the scheme. I mean, you can immediately tell the difference in their effort and execution depending on what is called --- and that's not good. Back to that thread --- when we played "vertical", the good came out --- the "horizontal" stuff, not so much. Personally, I vote for more good... :oops: :cool:
 
Thanks, Gary. My brothers were also in the dome last night. Agree wholeheartedly. Refurbish that collegiate treasure and don’t even think about messing with it, for goodness sake.

Based upon the opponent (and just how many guys are in the I JUST PLAYED THE
BEST GAME OF MY LIFE IN THE DEAN DOME HALL OF FAME?) the results were predictable.

Going forward:
- For the love of God and Gary, PLEASE - entry passes…to bigs who make decisions to score or pass out….
- Starting lineup as it was last night, with Seth rotating with guards; Lubin, Claude, Tyson, Jaelyn rotating with
Drake and Jalen.
- Elliot….give us last night’s performance E VER Y night. 👍🏾
- RJ, you’re an AA young man, keep exuding confidence. You have won a ton of games for us in this era.
- Cap’n Jack. Aye, aye, young man. Bring your game and show us what you got, because you might not be on the Hill
too long.

Now it gets real. I’m anxious to see our resolve and response. GDTBATH ❤️⛹🏾‍♂️🏀
 
Thanks Gary! I love the rotation of the bigs last night. I think it gives each of them some confidence and takes some pressure off each of them. Hopefully, its the beginning of some entry passes to the post. I miss seeing our bigs flash to the free throw line, get a feed then kick it back out or turn and score. Especially off the secondary break. May was the best at it.
 
There were plenty of positive takeaways from last night. However, I also wonder how much of it was because we were playing a physically outmatched, 5-7 Campbell team in which it’s much easier to do what you want offensively.

As bad as our bigs have been against Q1 teams, even that group can feast in stretches against a team like this.

Hopeful, yet again, that some things are finally going to click.
 
...and I got to see this one in person, and lemme start by reiterating that anyone who wants to replace the Dean Dome has f***ing rocks in their head. I mean, seriously?...

OK, to the game. Not gonna delve too much into the usual stuff, as this was a chance to have a "reset" game --- thus, I'll concentrate on whether or not we accomplished anything to that end. I posted a thread a few days ago --- one that predictably went off the rails --- about what we needed to see, and unfortunately, that mostly came up short. But let's go over a few points:

- In the aforementioned thread I noted that UNC leads NCAA D1 in 2nd half scoring, while ranking 81st during the 1st half. Welp--- more of the same tonight: 40 - 57. Sheesh.

- RJ seemed to rediscover his outside stroke, so Lord knows let's hope that carries over.

- Ian and Drake acquitted themselves well, but there was too much one-on-one that might not hunt in confernce. What I really liked though was their confidence shooting off the catch.

- With Seth out Tyson got a lot of run. Wouldn't ya know his shot would be off tonight, BUT... he played well and needs to continue to get minutes.

- Our defense tonight was like "we'll turn it up when we think we need it". When the effort was there we locked down a possession, but mostly it wasn't --- and nobody seemed to think it was a good idea to guard #2.

- We did rediscover getting our Bigs actual scoring ops, but it was mostly limited to lobs and PnRs (in both of which Eliot was just sick). The bad news is I only noted two regular entry passes. That needs to increase.

- Speaking of EC, neat double-double of 12 and 12 in the score book --- 12 and 13 in the real world (he got jacked out of yet another dime at home --- what else is f***ing new?)

- Finally, I went to the game with some relatives who live in Chapel Hill, and Sat night at dinner they were asking me to explain why the Heels have been struggling offensively, so I drew up our foibles on a dinner napkin, and during the game my cousin was saying "OMG, that's exactly what you were talking about" as we mucked up yet another Secondary opportunity. And then, sure enough, the one time our 4-man (Tyson) actually went to the ball-side block as God and Dean intended, we got a lay-up. Gee... how'd that happen?

Anyway, nice to see an easy win and perhaps some renewed shooting confidence from RJ. However, other than the Secondary, what concerns me is that watching live (with great seats) brought out even clearer what I've been seeing on the screen --- that there's a lack of "buy-in" as to much of the offensive scheme, and that's not on the players as much as it is on the scheme. I mean, you can immediately tell the difference in their effort and execution depending on what is called --- and that's not good. Back to that thread --- when we played "vertical", the good came out --- the "horizontal" stuff, not so much. Personally, I vote for more good... :oops: :cool:
I was able to attend the game for the first time in a while. I understand that the opponent was overmatched but I did not see the level of focus and attitude that has been evident in my many years of watching Carolina basketball. I kept looking for the secondary break and it was in most cases absent. The defense was spotty and we had way to much dribbling with no offensive plan, especially when RJ was at the point. At this time, what I saw was a lot of parts that could be a good team but not a unit that will win 15 conference games.
 
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Was this just a holiday hang over, I mean our history has shown us some strange games coming off holiday breaks but we beat a team by 16 that we should have beat by 40? Yep, those little fellas from Buies Creek scored 81 on us last night. WHY? Because we get up by darn near 30 and for some reason decided to not guard jump shooters? Hey, that Duggin guy is white hot, maybe we could guard him some, maybe we could deny him the ball some, maybe we could get a freakin hand in his face some, maybe we could attack him on the other end and draw him in to foul trouble some, nah, let's just let him shoot some more open treys?

Run enough motion on UNC and eventually they will miss a switch or switch a big defender on to a shooter, be patient and they will give you a open look jumper. Rinse and repeat. Offensively, in that first half, we went 4-17 from trey, 23% but we were 16-31 over all for 53%. That means we went 12 for 15 from 2 for that half? IN a game tailor made for us to get our big men cranked up and producing before the heart of ACC play begins, we made some effort to get our front court more involved, credit Cadeau for looking for the big men, 12 assists were outstanding but he clearly owned his match ups. I know this much for sure, I felt the miss of Seth's defensive play, his off ball defensive work is fun to watch and that was MIA last night, hope it is not for more than this one game.

On the positive side, Captin Jack is a beast, I love how his jump shooting has come along in the last year or so, it has become really smooth and confident. But what makes him such a beast is that the kid is really smart in waiting for his moments and taking his ops that are within his comfort zone. Kid is a really long 6'4" and he uses that extra length really well. Smaller guards can not cheat off of him as much because he is ready to shoot on the catch but play him to tight and he embarrasses you with that big time cross over and sudden first step. Switch a big man on to him and he sets him up and drives right by.

RJ, good to see his efficiency increase the last couple games, he went 7-13 over all 5-10 from trey and 4 for 5 at the line. While most will look at the 5-10 from trey, I look at the 7-13 over all, especially the just 13 shots, I like that because it spreads the offense around, keeps the other 4 guys on court engaged.

Cadeau, simply put, he was confident and in control, he waned his man any time he wanted it but like I want my PG to do his focus was getting his mates opportunities, 12pts and 12 assists is a great stat line, means he was directly involved in at least 36pts. Over all we had 20 assists to 36 made shots, rock solid!
 
There were plenty of positive takeaways from last night. However, I also wonder how much of it was because we were playing a physically outmatched, 5-7 Campbell team in which it’s much easier to do what you want offensively.

As bad as our bigs have been against Q1 teams, even that group can feast in stretches against a team like this.

Hopeful, yet again, that some things are finally going to click.
In my opinion it was because we played Campbell, we played a freakin can of soup! Arrrgh...

What happened to the old catch the ball and turn in to triple threat position (shoot, pass, or drive)? Our big men are clearly being taught to catch and pass, zero catch and pop, it is either pass it or make a move toward the basket unless you are JWit in the deep corner or trying to find Tyson another air ball op. No, I do not get the Cade Tyson focus or why JWit is ever taking a trey. At least Tyson did pump and drive a close out for a change (I recall one or 2 other times this season he did that), he does seem slightly better than JWit doing that at least.

This game, my opinion, should have been treated like a scrimmage in that you address team need and the biggest team need to me is getting our big men more involved offensively. There seems to be no lacking of opposing big men taking and hurting us with made jumpers? Wouldn't you think that during game review, as often as we see it happen to us that maybe we might want to try some of that?
 
In my opinion it was because we played Campbell, we played a freakin can of soup! Arrrgh...
Without doing the DVR thing initial thoughts.

Up by 11 at the half ... and only went +5 in the second half .. against Campbell 🙄 ?? WTF ?? We missed the spread by over 10.

Even with a considerable size advantage there was no effort to exploit it or run plays that included participation by the few bigs we have with interior play of any sort.

Are we now playing a 2 pg system because it looked like it on quite a few occasions as EC and RJ kept coming up on opposite sides of the court with RJ handling as much/more as EC?

Our defense is just plain lazy by default and that is not a UNC trademark.

Campbell shot a better 3pt% than UNC ... see comment above and the inability to close out on the shooters continues .. #lazy

Campbell got more pts off to's .. funny if not so sad all things considered.

Campbell got more second chance pts. even though being a undersized team.

If all things stay the same we could easily drop another 5-8 games and an NCAAT bid seems over the horizon atm.
 
Thanks, Gary. My brothers were also in the dome last night. Agree wholeheartedly. Refurbish that collegiate treasure and don’t even think about messing with it, for goodness sake.

Based upon the opponent (and just how many guys are in the I JUST PLAYED THE
BEST GAME OF MY LIFE IN THE DEAN DOME HALL OF FAME?) the results were predictable.

Going forward:
- For the love of God and Gary, PLEASE - entry passes…to bigs who make decisions to score or pass out….
- Starting lineup as it was last night, with Seth rotating with guards; Lubin, Claude, Tyson, Jaelyn rotating with
Drake and Jalen.
- Elliot….give us last night’s performance E VER Y night. 👍🏾
- RJ, you’re an AA young man, keep exuding confidence. You have won a ton of games for us in this era.
- Cap’n Jack. Aye, aye, young man. Bring your game and show us what you got, because you might not be on the Hill
too long.

Now it gets real. I’m anxious to see our resolve and response. GDTBATH ❤️⛹🏾‍♂️🏀
Yeah. and look, everything I critiqued is easily fixable, so I don't want to have this confused with endorsing reactionary, uncalled-for bitch threads posted at halftime. Nor do I want to give any creedence to silly notions about our roster being weak.

As with most things it is nuanced. We have a legit top-10 roster, but we also need some guys to play to their abilities --- RJ finding his stroke is a good step, but particularly our Bigs need to play with more authority. And the staff is on the hook to fix the issues with our scheme. It's not a matter of "can they?" ---- it's a matter of "will they?"...
 
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This was one of those W's that felt like a loss to me. 4 starters playing 30 or more minutes, giving up 50+ in a half, no consistent interior game, and against a team UNC should have beaten by 30 at home. This roster is a mess, 3 of the 4 best players the last month all play the same position and the inside game has shown zero consistency.

The 5 best players so far this season have arguably been Davis, Trimble, Cadeau, Jackson and Powell. If that holds then UNC may go a season without ever having its best players on the court together, and that is a sign of either poor roster construction or poor talent evaluation.
 
^ I agree the roster construction is bad. Maybe as bad as I have seen at Carolina in the last 20 years. That is on the coaches. They have to take responsibility for completely dropping the ball on filling out the PF and C position.

And based on how Tyson has performed his entire career against P4 opponents, that should’ve been a major red flag.
 
^ I agree the roster construction is bad. Maybe as bad as I have seen at Carolina in the last 20 years. That is on the coaches. They have to take responsibility for completely dropping the ball on filling out the PF and C position.

And based on how Tyson has performed his entire career against P4 opponents, that should’ve been a major red flag.
I think this team is the inverse of Roy's 2010-11 team that had a thousand bigs and terrible guards. I think this team will go down as the better team, despite having probably less talent top to bottom. We've seen poor roster construction before.

Sometimes coaches miss on their roster and it doesn't fit. And no matter what the system or who the coach is, the roster will ultimately play a limited style of basketball with razor thin margins of error. This coaching staff looks like it has some significant misses on this roster. And then to be honest, some returning players haven't been consistent enough this year to offset some of the limitations.
 
^ I agree the roster construction is bad. Maybe as bad as I have seen at Carolina in the last 20 years. That is on the coaches. They have to take responsibility for completely dropping the ball on filling out the PF and C position.

And based on how Tyson has performed his entire career against P4 opponents, that should’ve been a major red flag.
Just :rolleyes:...
 
Are we now playing a 2 pg system because it looked like it on quite a few occasions as EC and RJ kept coming up on opposite sides of the court with RJ handling as much/more as EC?
PG clarity has been an issue that hampered this team and last year as well, and is 100% down to coaching. I assume Hubert is too nice to make it clear or even worse may not see it as important. The other guys on the court must feel like they’re playing on two different teams depending on who is playing PG that possession.
 
I will just be glad when this coaching experiment is over with.

Mark my words if we don't stop this now and fire Hubert and hire a coach we will be UCLA, Indiana, or Georgetown in 3 more years.
 
I will just be glad when this coaching experiment is over with.

Mark my words if we don't stop this now and fire Hubert and hire a coach we will be UCLA, Indiana, or Georgetown in 3 more years.
Season starts tonight for this staff….The ACC is garbage….I do agree right now the future doesn’t look good at this time….
 
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if he wouldn't have beat Dook in the final 4 he should have been gone after his 2nd year.
I was not a fan of the hire…I always thought it was unfair to Hubert…Should have went after Mark Few…Don’t know if he would have come but you have to reach out….

Either way I am still pulling for the Tar Heels and Coach Davis…Who knows Dean had everybody wanting him gone early on…

I am willing to wait it out and see how this season goes but I don’t feel good about this team…
 
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