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...and too much of that just smelled.

Starting with the blue-on-blue nonsense (that shouldn't ever be allowed), this game picked up a more ominous stench fairly early on, which unfortunately cast a pall over everything else (more on that below). Anyway..

- it was apparent that we had worked on defensive rotation in 20 vs their dribble drives and kick-outs, as well as challenging the 3-ball Pitt relies upon so much.

- it was also apparent the we had worked on reclaiming space in the post by kicking out when needed and being patient before initiating drives off entries.

- on that note, it sure looked like Mando's shoulder was feeling better, as Pitt couldn't do anything with him but foul --- and foul him they did... trouble is, maybe 1/5 of them were actually called.

- we did a nice job of estab;lishing a sub rotation in the first half, which paid off as we closed the half --- but unfortunately we did not do that in the second half, and the fatigue factor hurt us at a key time.

- our biggest self-inflicted issue was slowing down in the second half, thus allowing Pitt to dictate tempo, and part of that was from the aforementioned fatigue

- on that note, Hubert SHOULD have called timeout around the 9:30 mark. I realize he was waiting for the under-8 or a whistle, welp... good luck with the latter with this zebra crew

And herein lies the skunk(s) in the room.

Folks, this was a game that, running its natural course, had the flow of being a competitive but routine win. Particularly with us keeping their 3s under control, we were on the verge of blowing it open early, and more than once, but EVERY time that was about to happen the zebras would make some bad/invented/inexplicable momentum-changing call against us.

Oh, I'm sure some will scoff, but this was something that was so sore-thumb clunky that I noticed it fairly early on in the first half, while we were controlling the game, even remarking out loud, "man, are these guys trying to keep it inside the spread?" I hoped I was only being sarcastic, but even then something smelled. Then, I look up after the first-half under-4 and Pitt has 1 (!) team foul? Somewhere around the 2:30 mark Mando finally goes to the line, after having been fouled pretty obviously on most of his touches.

Look, everyone who follows the ACC knows how Capel and Pitt plays UNC, and we're no strangers to that sort of "physical" play and/or numbnuts officiating enabling it. And Pitt got jump-the-shark physical in the second half to the point where it had to get called more often, but it was the zebras' uncanny timing throughout this game that, well again, just smelled. I'll just leave it by saying that I HOPE that what I saw was just incompetence...

Anyway, as a general lesson from our end, we need to stop playing "not to lose" in second halves. We must stay committed to transition, tempo and aggression. We also need to make sure our guys are fresh enough to exert max effort while they're on the floor...
 
"Look, everyone who follows the ACC knows how Capel and Pitt plays UNC,"

Capel is a nasty Dookie, worse than more than few of Rat-face's boys.
 
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Are they refs really the story of the game? They were had but I don't think so. We deserved to lose.

Refs had nothing to do with 8 sloppy turnovers in the first half.

Refs didn't make us miss every three in the second half except a fluky bank shot with 5 seconds left.

Refs didn't prevent Love from driving or Leaky from doing anything whenever he caught the ball after a kickout.

Refs didn't cause us to give up 14-16 on twos (!!!!) from their shooting guard.

Bacot did a better job with kickouts, but still had 3-4 possessions at least where he forced a bad shot or didn't see a wide open guy for 3. They doubled him all game, should've had more assists. Refs didn't cause that.

Let's not let some bad reffing cover up the glaring and clear issues with this one. Just sounds whiny.
 
Hubert allowing RJ to start deflating the ball around the 10 minute mark is what cost us the game. We then went about 5 minutes during the last stretch of the game without a bucket. That decision screwed up the flow and ultimately cost us the game.

I’ve seen countless coaches lose games over the years with that approach and today was another example.

I could list several other issues by the team and the coaching staff, but that one jumped out at me.
 
Hubert allowing RJ to start deflating the ball around the 10 minute mark is what cost us the game. We then went about 5 minutes during the last stretch of the game without a bucket. That decision screwed up the flow and ultimately cost us the game.

I’ve seen countless coaches lose games over the years with that approach and today was another example.

I could list several other issues by the team and the coaching staff, but that one jumped out at me.
Change the word allowing to telling and you have it.
 
Are they refs really the story of the game? They were had but I don't think so. We deserved to lose.

Refs had nothing to do with 8 sloppy turnovers in the first half.

Refs didn't make us miss every three in the second half except a fluky bank shot with 5 seconds left.

Refs didn't prevent Love from driving or Leaky from doing anything whenever he caught the ball after a kickout.

Refs didn't cause us to give up 14-16 on twos (!!!!) from their shooting guard.

Bacot did a better job with kickouts, but still had 3-4 possessions at least where he forced a bad shot or didn't see a wide open guy for 3. They doubled him all game, should've had more assists. Refs didn't cause that.

Let's not let some bad reffing cover up the glaring and clear issues with this one. Just sounds whiny.
Yeah yeah yeah... look, you are free to take that facile approach all you want, but it still doesn't deodorize the skunks in the room.

To anyone else who wants to respond in a similar fashion, there are ALWAYS myriad factors contributing to any win or loss, and I've said many times over that I will NOT steer clear of one of them just because some don't like talking about it.
 
I guess one can make all sorts of excuses for losing but box scores do say something. When it was over UNC actually shot more FT's and MADE a high % (very + point there) .. not saying they should not have had more opps but stats don't lie and overcoming questionable officiating is something UNC should be used to. In the 2nd half UNC was 1-9 from 3pt .. so one would think if the 3 aint dropping then you might want to work more interior or get better outside movement for better shots. For a team that was touted to have "quality depth" this year .. well that may be true but it HAS NOT been used effectively yet. Once again, for the sophomore season of coach hubcaps we are seeing a "veteran" group, not a team, that has seldom shown anything resembling Carolina basketball and that is a coaching thing. jmo
 
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I just think we deserved every bit of that loss-can’t stop dribble penetration, Caleb disinterested, too much dribbling, everybody standing around watching Bacot, you name it. The officiating was horrid- but we have been mugged all year. Maybe teams think we’re soft? Got to respond to how the zebra’s are calling it. What I watched today was not the standard of Carolina Basketball.
 
The Nance starting experiment needs to end, he's not the guy. Idk who replaces him but he needs to be the 6th man moving forward. Hubert needs to start benching Love when he clearly isn't interested in playing. Stop being the nice guy and start being the coach.
 
I don't get the whole Caleb being disinterested thing, heck they played keep away from him the whole game!
 
I'm more interested in the rotation and the fact that there is never seems to be any reason to it.

I didn't get to watch all the game because of work but did Puff get hurt?

Where did we come with Dunn getting 20 mins today? Puff getting 2 and Trimble only getting 5?

There used to be a day in Carolina basketball when you knew who your guys were and they played the most minutes and you won or lost! But there was never a time when the "Style" or "opponent" dictated guys going from avg 10 MPG to playing 20 or from avg 18 MPG to playing 2 min unless someone was hurt or you was deep into foul trouble.
 
And so, it goes......

I also have to say something about the officiating. It was not officiated well at all.
I watched Bacot miss 4 shots close in that on TV that most likely looked as though he was throwing up wild shots, but that was not the case, he was repeatedly fouled and pushed from behind and the officials' whistles went silent. When Hubert or Bacot tried to talk with the officials, all they got was a cold shoulder while Capel had their ears the entire game. That charge on Leaky in the first half had to be the worst call I have seen so far this year and there have been a number of those.

Having said the above, the officiating did not lose this game. The game was lost on the defensive side of the ball. We lost almost every one-on-one drive by Pitt's players. Bacot was rather incensed at some players when stating in his post-game interview that he guessed some just didn't care......, Caleb, are you listening?

Caleb played like he wanted to be anywhere than where he was, I think we all saw that, or at least should have seen it. He didn't mention names, but in the locker room Caleb appeared to have come down with a case of leprosy, and we were not good at all in second chance points in the second half. Credit should go to the Pitt team as they outplayed us in the second half and just wanted it more than our guys did. Also, this is a good example of how the portal can improve a team year over year. At this time, Pitt is legit guys.

Nance was having some back issues and was just not himself either. Why we took the air out of the ball in the last 6 minutes or so? Gary hit on it, we got tired and Pitt didn't. Success breeds adrenaline that can power you through fatigue, and Pitt did just that.

Hubert has a serious issue on his hands and hopefully, they will get it under control.

Once again, our play earned us this loss and others to date. Fix it, or were going to see more of it.
 
I'm more interested in the rotation and the fact that there is never seems to be any reason to it.

I didn't get to watch all the game because of work but did Puff get hurt?

Where did we come with Dunn getting 20 mins today? Puff getting 2 and Trimble only getting 5?

There used to be a day in Carolina basketball when you knew who your guys were and they played the most minutes and you won or lost! But there was never a time when the "Style" or "opponent" dictated guys going from avg 10 MPG to playing 20 or from avg 18 MPG to playing 2 min unless someone was hurt or you was deep into foul trouble.
Dunn with his first game back and doubles his minutes. Good luck making sense of that.
 
And so, it goes......

I also have to say something about the officiating. It was not officiated well at all.
I watched Bacot miss 4 shots close in that on TV that most likely looked as though he was throwing up wild shots, but that was not the case, he was repeatedly fouled and pushed from behind and the officials' whistles went silent. When Hubert or Bacot tried to talk with the officials, all they got was a cold shoulder while Capel had their ears the entire game. That charge on Leaky in the first half had to be the worst call I have seen so far this year and there have been a number of those.

Having said the above, the officiating did not lose this game. The game was lost on the defensive side of the ball. We lost almost every one-on-one drive by Pitt's players. Bacot was rather incensed at some players when stating in his post-game interview that he guessed some just didn't care......, Caleb, are you listening?

Caleb played like he wanted to be anywhere than where he was, I think we all saw that, or at least should have seen it. He didn't mention names, but in the locker room Caleb appeared to have come down with a case of leprosy, and we were not good at all in second chance points in the second half. Credit should go to the Pitt team as they outplayed us in the second half and just wanted it more than our guys did. Also, this is a good example of how the portal can improve a team year over year. At this time, Pitt is legit guys.

Nance was having some back issues and was just not himself either. Why we took the air out of the ball in the last 6 minutes or so? Gary hit on it, we got tired and Pitt didn't. Success breeds adrenaline that can power you through fatigue, and Pitt did just that.

Hubert has a serious issue on his hands and hopefully, they will get it under control.

Once again, our play earned us this loss and others to date. Fix it, or were going to see more of it.
If Nance has back issues why does he get 30 mins and Puff get 2? There isn't any rhythm to what or why these coach's do anything they do!

I would take Roy and his antiquated bullhead, not calling timeout self back in a heartbeat!
 
And so, it goes......

I also have to say something about the officiating. It was not officiated well at all.
I watched Bacot miss 4 shots close in that on TV that most likely looked as though he was throwing up wild shots, but that was not the case, he was repeatedly fouled and pushed from behind and the officials' whistles went silent. When Hubert or Bacot tried to talk with the officials, all they got was a cold shoulder while Capel had their ears the entire game. That charge on Leaky in the first half had to be the worst call I have seen so far this year and there have been a number of those.

Having said the above, the officiating did not lose this game. The game was lost on the defensive side of the ball. We lost almost every one-on-one drive by Pitt's players. Bacot was rather incensed at some players when stating in his post-game interview that he guessed some just didn't care......, Caleb, are you listening?

Caleb played like he wanted to be anywhere than where he was, I think we all saw that, or at least should have seen it. He didn't mention names, but in the locker room Caleb appeared to have come down with a case of leprosy, and we were not good at all in second chance points in the second half. Credit should go to the Pitt team as they outplayed us in the second half and just wanted it more than our guys did. Also, this is a good example of how the portal can improve a team year over year. At this time, Pitt is legit guys.

Nance was having some back issues and was just not himself either. Why we took the air out of the ball in the last 6 minutes or so? Gary hit on it, we got tired and Pitt didn't. Success breeds adrenaline that can power you through fatigue, and Pitt did just that.

Hubert has a serious issue on his hands and hopefully, they will get it under control.

Once again, our play earned us this loss and others to date. Fix it, or were going to see more of it.
Thank you! Can’t stop dribble penetration.
 
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The tip time did not allow me to catch any of the game, but as some mentioned the minuses of the bench in the box score was surprising to me, again I did not see what may have prompted it, but I was like whoa, what happened there?

I thought they might go small some more in this one, but I did not see Dunn in his first game back getting the lion's share of those minutes. Trimble only 5 and Puff only 2 was surprising, I thought they might have some advantageous matchups in this one.
 
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If Nance has back issues why does he get 30 mins and Puff get 2? There isn't any rhythm to what or why these coach's do anything they do!

I would take Roy and his antiquated bullhead, not calling timeout self back in a heartbeat!
He has a call-in show during the week, that would be a good question to call into that show and ask. Don't think you would be satisfied with his answer though. I am not being facetious either, it's a legitimate question.
 
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He has a call-in show during the week, that would be a good question to call into that show and ask. Don't think you would be satisfied with his answer though. I am not being facetious either, it's a legitimate question.
Look the knowledge of Nance having back issues is your information, I didn't hear that anywhere but from you. But doesn't it seems counter productive to admit a player has issues then then give your 6th man less minutes than he has had at anytime?

Here's the issue in these threads, all of you in the know know everything there is to know but then, when legitimate questions are as that does fit when the in the know guys are preaching, you get answers like "call the call in show and ask the coach!"

Maybe I should rephrase my question!

Why do you think Puff only got 2 minutes then pretend I ask this question knowing Nance is having back issues?
 
Yeah yeah yeah... look, you are free to take that facile approach all you want, but it still doesn't deodorize the skunks in the room.

To anyone else who wants to respond in a similar fashion, there are ALWAYS myriad factors contributing to any win or loss, and I've said many times over that I will NOT steer clear of one of them just because some don't like talking about it.
I'm not asking you to steer clear of it entirely. You went on and on and on about it though, without mentioning most of the factors I said, which were even more critical than the refereeing, and more importantly, are within our team's control. Shouldn't that be the crux of a post game analysis/recap?
 
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Look the knowledge of Nance having back issues is your information, I didn't hear that anywhere but from you. But doesn't it seems counter productive to admit a player has issues then then give your 6th man less minutes than he has had at anytime?

Here's the issue in these threads, all of you in the know know everything there is to know but then, when legitimate questions are as that does fit when the in the know guys are preaching, you get answers like "call the call in show and ask the coach!"

Maybe I should rephrase my question!

Why do you think Puff only got 2 minutes then pretend I ask this question knowing Nance is having back issues?
Maybe because Puff had 3 fouls in those 2 minutes? Now I do think he should have gotten a chance in the 2nd half but he hasn’t made shots this year like I thought he would
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Ok I guess!
 
Look the knowledge of Nance having back issues is your information, I didn't hear that anywhere but from you. But doesn't it seems counter productive to admit a player has issues then then give your 6th man less minutes than he has had at anytime?

Here's the issue in these threads, all of you in the know know everything there is to know but then, when legitimate questions are as that does fit when the in the know guys are preaching, you get answers like "call the call in show and ask the coach!"

Maybe I should rephrase my question!

Why do you think Puff only got 2 minutes then pretend I ask this question knowing Nance is having back issues?

Read Adam's report above, he mentions Pete.

Did you watch Puff play his 2:24 in this game and collect 3 fouls? He never would have finished because he was not quick enough to guard his position.

Now..... anything else ?
 

Read Adam's report above, he mentions Pete.

Did you watch Puff play his 2:24 in this game and collect 3 fouls? He never would have finished because he was not quick enough to guard his position.

Now..... anything else ?
Puff would have been a better option guarding the Hinson kid at the end! Hubert had D Marco on him…that absolutely killed us. He made a 3 right over top of Dunn to put Pitt up at a crucial moment and then the next play Dunn had to foul on a rebound and he made 2 at the line! No way ever should Dunn be guarding a 6’7” 240 lb power forward! I get switching Leaky on Burton, but you need size and length on the pf! That lineup was absolutely terrible. I’d rather have Trimble in on the kid, rather than Dunn! I love Hubert as a person but for the most part he’s done a poor job this year!
 
1. Bert Smith is Ted Valentine 2.0
* We struggle or lose when he shows up, check the record. This dude does not like us*

2. HD coached awful today, his refusal to push tempo and use our deeper roster cost us a crucial road win. And I'm a BIG Hubert fan but this is a problem that may not end well. And by the grace of God I hope I'm wrong.

3. Jamarius Burton will average 30/pts a game the rest of the season if he is allowed to drive and push off with his left arm every time. He should be playing for Pitt football team.

4. Puff Johnson folks did not look happy and I don't blame them. Yeah he committed 2 pretty bad fouls early on, but to not see the floor the rest of the game is flippin ridiculous.

5. A decent HS coach would have beat Pitt today with our roster. Bad, bad loss.

6. Jason Capel truly hates his alma mater. I don't why nor do I care but it's pretty obvious he does.

I haven't been this pissed in a long time :mad:
 
Puff would have been a better option guarding the Hinson kid at the end! Hubert had D Marco on him…that absolutely killed us. He made a 3 right over top of Dunn to put Pitt up at a crucial moment and then the next play Dunn had to foul on a rebound and he made 2 at the line! No way ever should Dunn be guarding a 6’7” 240 lb power forward! I get switching Leaky on Burton, but you need size and length on the pf! That lineup was absolutely terrible. I’d rather have Trimble in on the kid, rather than Dunn! I love Hubert as a person but for the most part he’s done a poor job this year!
Yeah, and if a bullfrog had wings..... Dunn was in for his offense, even though he plays good defense. However, you are correct in that he was too small to challenge Hinson.
Good opportunity for Hubert to learn when the team is faced with similar situation(s).

"You get what you allow", and we allowed the Pitt players complete access to our baskets with their drives over and over. The leading scorer for Pitt never shot a 3 the whole game I believe, as he just ran it right to the basket unimpeded, as other Pitt players did as well. It was our defense that lost this game.
 

Read Adam's report above, he mentions Pete.

Did you watch Puff play his 2:24 in this game and collect 3 fouls? He never would have finished because he was not quick enough to guard his position.

Now..... anything else ?
Does he have to be executed if he fouls out?

He also had 3 points in his 2 minutes.
 
Yeah yeah yeah... look, you are free to take that facile approach all you want, but it still doesn't deodorize the skunks in the room.

To anyone else who wants to respond in a similar fashion, there are ALWAYS myriad factors contributing to any win or loss, and I've said many times over that I will NOT steer clear of one of them just because some don't like talking about it.
I always enjoy this themed post you do, but in this instance you not only choose to "Not steer clear" but you pretty much talk about nothing but the officials in todays game.
I will pass on commenting further on this game, it feels like freaking Groundhog day revisited from last years game.
I am going to spend the rest of the weekend looking for Caleb Love. He seems to be missing.
 
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Does he have to be executed if he fouls out?

He also had 3 points in his 2 minutes.
Look, I am done with this and your asinine posts. You have an issue demanding perfection from this team and get irrationally angry at the players and Staff because they don't win every game for you. And you continually phrase your questions in a challenging manner that are just for arguments sake, and any answers that don't meet your approval you have to continue beating the drum of discontent. You have to be one of the most miserable Carolina fans I have come across. You bitch & whine about the staff and even the players. I now will have 2 folks on ignore. That way, I don't have to read your drivel and hopefully you will do the same as I will no longer converse with you in this forum.
 
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Look, I am done with this and your asinine posts. You have an issue demanding perfection from this team and get irrationally angry at the players and Staff because they don't win every game for you. And you continually phrase your questions in a challenging manner that are just for arguments sake, and any answers that don't meet your approval you have to continue beating the drum of discontent. You have to be one of the most miserable Carolina fans I have come across. You bitch & whine about the staff and even the players. I now will have 2 folks on ignore. That way, I don't have read your drivel and hopefully you will do the same as I will no longer converse with you in this forum.
I'm sure I have already been ignored but, let's see. The problem is there isn't any discussion of opposing views. There is we said it and we are right and if anyone don't immediately agree we chose to ignore block or make fun of!

You can't be the self proclaimed board coaching experts and then get upset when challenged. This is a message board where banter is or at least should be encouraged!

Some folks can handle this concept!
 
Pitt was allowed to play bully ball on their home floor. An experienced veteran team should be able to handle it. This Carolina team is not mentally tough enough to be the hunted. They are talented enough to beat anyone as an underdog but not focused enough for 40 minutes to beat a team that plays with a chip on its shoulder.

Davis was outcoached. Not developing a bench will continue to haunt this team. And if he doesn’t have a come to Jesus talk with Caleb he will lose this team.

The loss to Pitt was a turning point last season. Hopefully history will repeat. Unfortunately I don’t see that happening.
 
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1. Bert Smith is Ted Valentine 2.0
* We struggle or lose when he shows up, check the record. This dude does not like us*

2. HD coached awful today, his refusal to push tempo and use our deeper roster cost us a crucial road win. And I'm a BIG Hubert fan but this is a problem that may not end well. And by the grace of God I hope I'm wrong.

3. Jamarius Burton will average 30/pts a game the rest of the season if he is allowed to drive and push off with his left arm every time. He should be playing for Pitt football team.

4. Puff Johnson folks did not look happy and I don't blame them. Yeah he committed 2 pretty bad fouls early on, but to not see the floor the rest of the game is flippin ridiculous.

5. A decent HS coach would have beat Pitt today with our roster. Bad, bad loss.

6. Jason Capel truly hates his alma mater. I don't why nor do I care but it's pretty obvious he does.

I haven't been this pissed in a long time :mad:

Pretty spot on, especially #4. No reason Puff shouldn’t have gotten some run in the 2nd half. I think he would’ve helped if given the chance.
 
Are they refs really the story of the game? They were had but I don't think so. We deserved to lose.

Refs had nothing to do with 8 sloppy turnovers in the first half.

Refs didn't make us miss every three in the second half except a fluky bank shot with 5 seconds left.

Refs didn't prevent Love from driving or Leaky from doing anything whenever he caught the ball after a kickout.

Refs didn't cause us to give up 14-16 on twos (!!!!) from their shooting guard.

Bacot did a better job with kickouts, but still had 3-4 possessions at least where he forced a bad shot or didn't see a wide open guy for 3. They doubled him all game, should've had more assists. Refs didn't cause that.

Let's not let some bad reffing cover up the glaring and clear issues with this one. Just sounds whiny.

Not blaming the loss on the refs, we sucked in the last quarter of the game, & Hubert coached his worst game of the year…..BUT, If you saw the charge call on Leaky in the 1st half & didn’t think there was an agenda I can’t help you. It was very clear with that call, (& overturning the OB call with 2 seconds left) that they weren’t trying to do us any favors. They are crafty enough to (mostly) not make it look intentional, but there were some VERY timely whistles against Carolina today.
 
I would practice with a flat ball so it couldn't be dribbled for the rest of the week. So frustrating watching half the shot clock being dribbled away.

I do agree that defense lost this game more than anything. Everyone has a career day against us. Gets old hearing that each game.
 
Again, I missed the game, but I've read that Dunn was in for his offense. He was 2-4 in 20 minutes. It doesn't seem like he was much of an offensive threat. Trimble is not the 3 threat, but can dee, can push the rock, and penetrate. He is not a non threat offensively.

Thanks, for pointing out Puff's quick fouls in the 1st half. That has been a problem for him all year, mostly from not being strong enough to hold his position though playing more 4. If he is too "slow" to matchup against a smaller lineup without fouling that is a problem.

Since the ND game last year, Caleb stopped totally deferring when he was "off", it sounds like he deferred today. He can't do that, as he is the only guy who can create on the roster. 0 free throws and only 9 shots is not his role with this roster.
 
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