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I listening to a sports talk show a few weeks ago and they were discussing this proposal for relegation, to in the future take the pace of expansion of conferences.

Basically relegation has conferences that align big conference aligns with a smaller conference. lets say the ACC aligns with Conference USA as an example. IN addition to ACC teams playing more Conference USA teams prior to conference play the interesting part is what happens the next season. let's say Cincy wins Conference USA and goes on to represent Conference USA in the NCAAT. The next season Cincy would be moved in to the ACC and the last place ACC team, say BC would be dropped to Conference USA and have to earn their way back to the ACC.

I think it is an interesting proposal, could have a crushing effect to the last place ACC team when they lose the ACC revenue stream but it would give the CUSA team a huge influx of cash from the ACC profit sharing. Only the strong survive and the law of the jungle plays itself out in big time $$$ sports. It would sure give the bottom ACC teams in a sport incentive to finish as strong as they can, could be some amazing battles made to not be the team finishing last in the ACC as well as some interesting fights to be the team that gets to move up from CUSA to the ACC the next season.

Would this be for all sports or would it be for just the revenue positive sports or would it be for a specific sport are open ended questions. These things can be worked out however the thought a big fish in a small pond being able to become a small fish in a bigger pond and maybe more or the small fish in the big pond being able to become a fish in a much better pond interests me. It is based on what they earn, no other factor, win and make it so, or lose and drop way down.

What are your thoughts on this?
 
DSouthr said:
I listening to a sports talk show a few weeks ago and they were discussing this proposal for relegation, to in the future take the pace of expansion of conferences.

Basically relegation has conferences that align big conference aligns with a smaller conference. lets say the ACC aligns with Conference USA as an example. IN addition to ACC teams playing more Conference USA teams prior to conference play the interesting part is what happens the next season. let's say Cincy wins Conference USA and goes on to represent Conference USA in the NCAAT. The next season Cincy would be moved in to the ACC and the last place ACC team, say BC would be dropped to Conference USA and have to earn their way back to the ACC.

I think it is an interesting proposal, could have a crushing effect to the last place ACC team when they lose the ACC revenue stream but it would give the CUSA team a huge influx of cash from the ACC profit sharing. Only the strong survive and the law of the jungle plays itself out in big time $$$ sports. It would sure give the bottom ACC teams in a sport incentive to finish as strong as they can, could be some amazing battles made to not be the team finishing last in the ACC as well as some interesting fights to be the team that gets to move up from CUSA to the ACC the next season.

Would this be for all sports or would it be for just the revenue positive sports or would it be for a specific sport are open ended questions. These things can be worked out however the thought a big fish in a small pond being able to become a small fish in a bigger pond and maybe more or the small fish in the big pond being able to become a fish in a much better pond interests me. It is based on what they earn, no other factor, win and make it so, or lose and drop way down.

What are your thoughts on this?
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my 1st thought would be insanity.
 
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Never happen. Scheduling alone would make it nearly impossible!
 
Is ever expanding the number of teams in a conference a better solution? I think the ACC, from a fan stand point is to big now, for example I believe that you should be able to play everyone in your conference in football every season, I miss the home & away with everyone in basketball. It is a financial must that conferences be bigger now days to use their collective to drive the broadcast deals and now qualify for the so called football play offs.

Maybe it is alignment rather than being full members that ya don't like and yet ND is more aligned with the ACC than a full member, they don't want to share their football revenue with us but they want to tag along for a potential play off birth in football?

Yeah, it would be a radical change and maybe I asked the wrong question, I asked for your thoughts, replies like Bizzar and insane are for sure thoughts, but was thinking there may be some discussion of this as in what do you dislike about it or do you see any positive in it at all?

While you tell me that this is insanely bizzar, ask yourself this, how much did BC bring to ACC basketball last season, if we were aligned with CUSA (just for example) why would it break your heart to see BC moved to CUSA next season and the conference winner in CUSA moved to the ACC? BC, if they are worthy could and maybe should be expected to win the CUSA title the following season and be moved right back up to the ACC. I personally see more that kinda makes some sense than I do bizzar insanity.
 
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Would be a great idea for the NBA since it would eliminate teams tanking at the end of the season for the top draft pick. Would be a great idea for the other professional leagues as well, not for college. Sounds like wishful thinking for fans of UCONN or Cincy, who want to get to a power 5 conference.
 
I like it. It's more extreme than my suggestion (to make the last place team sit out the ACC Tournament). But I like it.

But it will never happen.
 
Too many moving parts and a scheduling night mare when you consider the turnover in conference teams annually. What a joke
 
It would be awesome and it's what makes soccer so damn compelling. I doubt it would ever happen though.

I think it's a much better idea than conference expansion. The concept of mega conferences is stupid, even in basketball where you get way more conference games. Plus, it would create more interest in what would otherwise be awful matchups. A Wake - BC tilt becomes much more interesting when the loser is relegated to CUSA hoops for the next season.

The only major flaw I see is the frequent turnover of basketball rosters. What if, say, Cincy gets a stud player and wins the league and gets promoted to the ACC, but then that stud player turns pro. You could be in a situation where that next season, Cincy has a terrible roster and sucks in the ACC. There's no way to make sure that a promoted school keeps enough talent to compete in their new league. It would be easier to achieve that in football where players stay longer.
 
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TarHeelNation11 said:
It would be awesome and it's what makes soccer so damn compelling. I doubt it would ever happen though.

I think it's a much better idea than conference expansion. The concept of mega conferences is stupid, even in basketball where you get way more conference games. Plus, it would create more interest in what would otherwise be awful matchups. A Wake - BC tilt becomes much more interesting when the loser is relegated to CUSA hoops for the next season.

The only major flaw I see is the frequent turnover of basketball rosters. What if, say, Cincy gets a stud player and wins the league and gets promoted to the ACC, but then that stud player turns pro. You could be in a situation where that next season, Cincy has a terrible roster and sucks in the ACC. There's no way to make sure that a promoted school keeps enough talent to compete in their new league. It would be easier to achieve that in football where players stay longer.
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Soccer is compelling? I was wondering what the word for it was.:cool:
 
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TarHeelNation11 said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOOD ONE DEWD!!!! Damn, you're clever and witty.
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love needling you soccer "dewds". When I was in HS all I heard was that soccer would be bigger than American FB in 10 years...well that 10 years is getting close to passing for the 4th time and all I know is CFB and NFL are bigger than ever and ESPN is still trying to force feed us soccer.
 
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love needling you soccer "dewds". When I was in HS all I heard was that soccer would be bigger than American FB in 10 years...well that 10 years is getting close to passing for the 4th time and all I know is CFB and NFL are bigger than ever and ESPN is still trying to force feed us soccer.
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Congratulations? I'm not upset because you "needled" soccer. I like the sport but I can definitely see why people would hate it. I got annoyed because, in general, you suck as a poster. Offer a rebuttal to my argument, within the context of this thread, or else why waste time posting?
 
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Congratulations? I'm not upset because you "needled" soccer. I like the sport but I can definitely see why people would hate it. I got annoyed because, in general, you suck as a poster. Offer a rebuttal to my argument, within the context of this thread, or else why waste time posting?
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Aren't we the drama queen today? So tell me then ..why'd you waste time posting back?
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
It would be awesome and it's what makes soccer so damn compelling. I doubt it would ever happen though.

I think it's a much better idea than conference expansion. The concept of mega conferences is stupid, even in basketball where you get way more conference games. Plus, it would create more interest in what would otherwise be awful matchups. A Wake - BC tilt becomes much more interesting when the loser is relegated to CUSA hoops for the next season.

The only major flaw I see is the frequent turnover of basketball rosters. What if, say, Cincy gets a stud player and wins the league and gets promoted to the ACC, but then that stud player turns pro. You could be in a situation where that next season, Cincy has a terrible roster and sucks in the ACC. There's no way to make sure that a promoted school keeps enough talent to compete in their new league. It would be easier to achieve that in football where players stay longer.
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Then Cincy would fall out and be replaced by the CUSA winner (in the example we have been using). It is survival of the most fit and I kinda think I like that idea.

For those worried about scheduling I don't see that as a problem. I think it would naturally have ACC teams playing more non-conference games with their aligned partner league but it would not require it for any individual team to have to play X number of games vs their aligned partner league.

I think it would force conferences to align with a worthy partner and maybe lessen the number of major programs playing games they should win by 50. I personally like geographically how CUSA would line up with the ACC.
 
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I didn't wast time originally, only after you went off on a tangent. The thread topic is an intriguing and interesting discussion. Or it was, until you derailed it.
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Come on guys, I do think this is a very good topic for discussion and thought. You do not want to just dismiss this out of hand because the powers that be in the NCAA and conferences are discussing this now.

Can we not get in to the personal in fighting and maybe discuss something that has to be at very least intriguing?
 
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Then Cincy would fall out and be replaced by the CUSA winner (in the example we have been using). It is survival of the most fit and I kinda think I like that idea.

For those worried about scheduling I don't see that as a problem. I think it would naturally have ACC teams playing more non-conference games with their aligned partner league but it would not require it for any individual team to have to play X number of games vs their aligned partner league.

I think it would force conferences to align with a worthy partner and maybe lessen the number of major programs playing games they should win by 50. I personally like geographically how CUSA would line up with the ACC.
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I don't follow why the ACC would have to play CUSA teams in OOC games? Unless you're saying that leagues that pair up for promotion/relegation are bound to some sort of scheduling agreement where they have to play each other.

In general, I'd love what it would do for the competitiveness of the conference. Bottom-dwellers would have something to play for, which would not only improve the competition of games, it would also probably increase attendance for the bottom-dwellers. A meaningless game between last-place teams suddenly becomes must-attend because you want your school to stay up in the ACC.
 
I think what you'd have to have happen is allow Conference USA (again, using our example) to label itself the ACC, at least in the sports that would use this promotion/relegation system. Schools like GT and Wake who are longstanding members of the conference, but sometimes have occasional bad years in basketball would NOT be okay with having to call themselves a Conference USA school for a whole season or more (at least, that's my opinion).

Therefore, the ACC would have to "de facto" add the entirety of Conference USA or whatever league we pair up with. Then, you'd have to name it two separate things, both using the ACC brand -- so ACC Premier and ACC League Two just as an example. ACC Premier would start out as the current 15 ACC basketball squads and ACC League Two would start out as the current Conference USA squads. Then, in that way, BC and Wake and whoever can always still maintain their ACC affiliation.........they're just in the second tier for basketball.

If you were to do it in football, you'd have to have two schools relegated each year because of divisional play. It would be impossible to determine which of the last place teams (Atlantic and Coastal) is the worst. Or, you could keep it as one school relegated if you find a way to scrap divisional play and go to a single-table format.
 
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I think what you'd have to have happen is allow Conference USA (again, using our example) to label itself the ACC, at least in the sports that would use this promotion/relegation system. Schools like GT and Wake who are longstanding members of the conference, but sometimes have occasional bad years in basketball would NOT be okay with having to call themselves a Conference USA school for a whole season or more (at least, that's my opinion).

Therefore, the ACC would have to "de facto" add the entirety of Conference USA or whatever league we pair up with. Then, you'd have to name it two separate things, both using the ACC brand -- so ACC Premier and ACC League Two just as an example. ACC Premier would start out as the current 15 ACC basketball squads and ACC League Two would start out as the current Conference USA squads. Then, in that way, BC and Wake and whoever can always still maintain their ACC affiliation.........they're just in the second tier for basketball.

If you were to do it in football, you'd have to have two schools relegated each year because of divisional play. It would be impossible to determine which of the last place teams (Atlantic and Coastal) is the worst. Or, you could keep it as one school relegated if you find a way to scrap divisional play and go to a single-table format.
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First I doubt it would require ACC teams to play teams in their aligned conference but I would see it as a kind of a natural put cropping.

Now yeah, I am sure a GT or a Wake would take issue with being "demoted" to the lesser league but it isn't all negative for the demoted team actually. Think about it, GT & Wake, using your 2 examples very rarely have a real chance now days of getting to the NCAAT. But let's say one of them is demoted to the lower conference, would you not maybe expect them to be the bigger fish in that smaller pond? IN other words if being demoted for that one season saw a GT or Wake win that conference and get the NCAA bid they fond themselves becoming winners again AND are elevated back up to the ACC the next season.

lets face it, BC was a joke last season, did not win one single ACC game, they would be the demoted team if this were in place today. Ya think their success would not be extremely amped up in the lesser conference, heck BC may have made the NCAAT this past season had they been demoted the season before and got to play a weaker conference slate of games. It actually would not be as bad a deal for the demoted team as you may think. And I totally agree that the last 2 teams in the ACC playing each other would go from a who the heck cares game to a game with some excitement and real stakes on the line.
 
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First I doubt it would require ACC teams to play teams in their aligned conference but I would see it as a kind of a natural put cropping.

Now yeah, I am sure a GT or a Wake would take issue with being "demoted" to the lesser league but it isn't all negative for the demoted team actually. Think about it, GT & Wake, using your 2 examples very rarely have a real chance now days of getting to the NCAAT. But let's say one of them is demoted to the lower conference, would you not maybe expect them to be the bigger fish in that smaller pond? IN other words if being demoted for that one season saw a GT or Wake win that conference and get the NCAA bid they fond themselves becoming winners again AND are elevated back up to the ACC the next season.

lets face it, BC was a joke last season, did not win one single ACC game, they would be the demoted team if this were in place today. Ya think their success would not be extremely amped up in the lesser conference, heck BC may have made the NCAAT this past season had they been demoted the season before and got to play a weaker conference slate of games. It actually would not be as bad a deal for the demoted team as you may think. And I totally agree that the last 2 teams in the ACC playing each other would go from a who the heck cares game to a game with some excitement and real stakes on the line.
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So, if I'm reading this correctly, I am to assume that a team could be in the ACC in football and CUSA in basketball and so forth? I like the idea. I think it would be worth some exploration.
 
I think the idea is intriguing, but highly unlikely. I say this because the ACC is not a conference that embraces change willingly. We are tradition laden and are reluctant to stray away from our proven formulae. Look how long it took for us to stop doing the the double circuit through the conference and to embrace expansion.

It would be one more thing we could hold over State's head though!
 
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So, if I'm reading this correctly, I am to assume that a team could be in the ACC in football and CUSA in basketball and so forth? I like the idea. I think it would be worth some exploration.
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Yes, they could well be in the ACC for one sport but relegated to the lesser conference for the other.
 
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Yes, they could well be in the ACC for one sport but relegated to the lesser conference for the other.
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Which is why I think the leagues would have to rebrand and be ACC and ACC Lite. No current ACC member is going to go for it if they lose the right to call themselves an ACC member, in any sport.
 
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I think the idea is intriguing, but highly unlikely. I say this because the ACC is not a conference that embraces change willingly. We are tradition laden and are reluctant to stray away from our proven formulae. Look how long it took for us to stop doing the the double circuit through the conference and to embrace expansion.

It would be one more thing we could hold over State's head though!
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Yeah, the ACC has been slow to change but there is a new money dynamic that seems to be driving things now days, it has forced a lot of things that in the past took much longer.
 
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