Scholarship Squeeze

[Ozheelfan]

Very good article on a question often asked.

Typing on my phone so can only give a bare bones summary:

In '18-19 Roy is already over the allowed number of scholly's (13).....unless someone leaves early or someone sacrifices for a year.... he also has too many bodies for the bench (max of 15)

Not answered in the article is what would happen if a current scholarship player takes a redshirt in 18-19?

https://www.argylereport.com/blog/2017/10/6/a-good-problem

 

[gary-7]

Very good article on a question often asked.

Typing on my phone so can only give a bare bones summary:

In '18-19 Roy is already over the allowed number of scholly's (13).....unless someone leaves early or someone sacrifices for a year.... he also has too many bodies for the bench (max of 15)

Not answered in the article is what would happen if a current scholarship player takes a redshirt in 18-19?

https://www.argylereport.com/blog/2017/10/6/a-good-problem

Not sure how you're interpreting this. We are fine. Shea knows he is on an as-available deal. Luke has also preiously volunteered to walk-on again if needed. The only issue will be the total number of players.

 

[Sk1310]

Good insight. I never really thought of Uncle Ray covering Jalek for a year if he returns.

 

[Ozheelfan]

.....The only issue will be the total number of players.

That's the issue which struck me Gary... I suppose rotating the walk-ons is one way to go.
It just seems, from his actions, Roy is banking on losing more than Joel and Theo this year.
Like the article says, it's a good problem to have.

 

[gauchoheel]

I commented at the bottom of that article. For some reason the author assumes Rush is a permanent scholarship player, which isn't correct. I think we'll be fine. It seems Roy is even looking to add another player to this class, in addition to the three we already have.

 

[WhitePhantoms]

That's the issue which struck me Gary... I suppose rotating the walk-ons is one way to go.
It just seems, from his actions, Roy is banking on losing more than Joel and Theo this year.
Like the article says, it's a good problem to have.

It'll be Cam.

 

[TheFamily22]

I think its fine to ask questions and wonder. But I think some of yall borderline worrying about if we will have enough scholarships. I think if Roy is willing to grab one more player in this class, he knows where the scholarship will come from. He's been doing thisffor a long time.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

^^^^^^This!

 

[bax4444]

Yeah the gnashing of teeth over the past week about the scholarship situation I find a bit comical. We have the top rated class as of now and more highly ranked guys seriously considering us and a lot of posters can only clench their fists about where the scholarships will come from.

 

[RoseHeel]

I agree with Bax and TheFamily. Roy's no idiot. He knows his scholarship amount and he's still going after Simi and others, which means he probably has a contingency plan. Whether that's Maye walking on for his final year or Cam/Jalek declaring or something we don't even know about.

This is literally the last thing we should be worried about right now.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Yeah the gnashing of teeth over the past week about the scholarship situation I find a bit comical. We have the top rated class as of now and more highly ranked guys seriously considering us and a lot of posters can only clench their fists about where the scholarships will come from.

Those of us raising this concern are thinking waaay beyond fist clenching.

 

[bax4444]

Those of us raising this concern are thinking waaay beyond fist clenching.

Really? It seems pretty pedantic when we have a hof coach who I'm sure is well aware of the scholarship situation. I'm not saying it isn't worth a bit of discussion but with the extent to which some here are hand wringing about it you'd think it was an impossible thing to overcome.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Really? It seems pretty pedantic when we have a hof coach who I'm sure is well aware of the scholarship situation. I'm not saying it isn't worth a bit of discussion but with the extent to which some here are hand wringing about it you'd think it was an impossible thing to overcome.

Let me lay it out for you.

1. We do not have a scholarship for another player.
2. It appears that Roy is attempting to recruit another player.
3. We believe that Roy will not recruit if he doesn't know he has a scholarship.

Do the syllogism.

So the question is: where is the scholarship coming from?

And that's what most of us expressing concern are concerned about. Because some of the most likely answers don't make us happy.

Somebody may have let Roy know they plan to leave after this season. Most likely to leave are Jalek or Cam, to enter the draft. Could also be someone like Seventh or Brandon Robinson is thinking of transferring in order to get more playing time or a starting role that doesn't look likely here.

Most of us don't want any of those guys to leave.

Perhaps it's still possible that Little won't end up playing for us. People talk about the need for him to clear. Not sure what that means or if it is a real concern, so that's a bit of a worry.

Some suggest that Luke will give up his scholarship. I suppose that could happen. And it could be entirely voluntary. But some of us are uncomfortable about it.

So I hope you see that it isn't whether we have the scholarship that's bothering us but why we have a scholarship - since most of those alternative reasons aren't particularly great.

 

[bax4444]

Like I said.. hand wringing and mental masturbation, you just typed out 5 fricken paragraphs about it. I'm sure Roy Williams will by the time next spring rolls around have it all figured out to everyone's satisfaction. I just find the over analyzation of this quite hilarious.

Has he ever been in a situation where he couldn't bring someone in due to scholarship issues? I doubt it but I'd love to be proven wrong. Also with respect to Luke possibly giving up his schollie-why on earth are you "uncomfortable" about it? I mean if Luke and Roy were to have it happen then they obviously would be fine with it. So a fan being "uncomfortable " with it is... well again, hilarious.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Emotions seem to be a little high here. I think all sensible UNC fans know for a fact that there will be no issue by the time it matters. And most of us don't have a problem with peeps going pro early, especially if it is Cam. Some see an issue with Maye giving up his scholly. I see that but I don't agree since it would not be done without his and his parents agreeing before hand. BUT.....

Since this a message board we must discuss something and I think this is a legitimate topic. The middle school language is the only thing I see that was even slightly inappropriate in this thread.

 

[Sk1310]

Why is it such a problem to discuss where they think the scholly is coming from? you can trust Roy, amd still have the conversation. This is a message board after all.

 

[Ozheelfan]

Why is it such a problem to discuss where they think the scholly is coming from? you can trust Roy, amd still have the conversation. This is a message board after all.

Thank you.... exactly my reason for the OP..... I ain't wringing my hands, it's just a worthy topic for conversation (and I thought a diversion from some of the other crap)

 

[WhitePhantoms]

Let me lay it out for you.

1. We do not have a scholarship for another player.
2. It appears that Roy is attempting to recruit another player.
3. We believe that Roy will not recruit if he doesn't know he has a scholarship.

Do the syllogism.

So the question is: where is the scholarship coming from?

And that's what most of us expressing concern are concerned about. Because some of the most likely answers don't make us happy.

Somebody may have let Roy know they plan to leave after this season. Most likely to leave are Jalek or Cam, to enter the draft. Could also be someone like Seventh or Brandon Robinson is thinking of transferring in order to get more playing time or a starting role that doesn't look likely here.

Most of us don't want any of those guys to leave.

Perhaps it's still possible that Little won't end up playing for us. People talk about the need for him to clear. Not sure what that means or if it is a real concern, so that's a bit of a worry.

Some suggest that Luke will give up his scholarship. I suppose that could happen. And it could be entirely voluntary. But some of us are uncomfortable about it.

So I hope you see that it isn't whether we have the scholarship that's bothering us but why we have a scholarship - since most of those alternative reasons aren't particularly great.

I suppose to Little could end up not being cleared but hopefully that doesnt happen, but he will get his scholarship from Cam leaving early.

If we land Shittu or Days or even more unlikely Langford or Zion that scholarship most likely comes from Luke. It doesn't matter if "some of us are uncomfortable about it". It's LUKES decision. He knew when he committed that he was only going to have a scholarship for 3 years. The only reason he ended up having one his freshman year is because JP left early for the NBA. You and many others should be happy we have such a selfless player that's willing to put what's best for team ahead of himself.

It's wild you seem more butthurt about that then the argylereport suggesting Jalek pay his own way.

 

[TheFamily22]

[TE="WhitePhantoms, post: 921248, member: 45685"]I suppose to Little could end up not being cleared but hopefully that doesnt happen, but he will get his scholarship from Cam leaving early.

If we land Shittu or Days or even more unlikely Langford or Zion that scholarship most likely comes from Luke. It doesn't matter if "some of us are uncomfortable about it". It's LUKES decision. He knew when he committed that he was only going to have a scholarship for 3 years. The only reason he ended up having one his freshman year is because JP left early for the NBA. You and many others should be happy we have such a selfless player that's willing to put what's best for team ahead of himself.

It's wild you seem more butthurt about that then the argylereport suggesting Jalek pay his own way.[/QUOTE]

Exactly! WWhat does it matter to everyone if Luke gives up his scholarship? As long as he does it because he wants to and not because he's forced to (because I believe he has earned it) I'm all for it. To touch on what WWJD said, you may not know where the extra scholarship will come from and you don't like to think about us losing any of our players to get it, but thats part of the game. I didn't want to lose Bradley, Barnes, Bullock, Marshall, Henson, and so forth but we did and there wasn't anything we could do about that. All I know is that when it comes time, if we have 3 players committed next year or 5, Roy will not be sitting there wondering how he is going to fit everyone onto the team. It will already be set.

 

[dadika13]

Cam is leaving after this year. Convo over.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Like I said.. hand wringing and mental masturbation, you just typed out 5 fricken paragraphs about it. I'm sure Roy Williams will by the time next spring rolls around have it all figured out to everyone's satisfaction. I just find the over analyzation of this quite hilarious.

Has he ever been in a situation where he couldn't bring someone in due to scholarship issues? I doubt it but I'd love to be proven wrong. Also with respect to Luke possibly giving up his schollie-why on earth are you "uncomfortable" about it? I mean if Luke and Roy were to have it happen then they obviously would be fine with it. So a fan being "uncomfortable " with it is... well again, hilarious.

My aren't you special?

 

[Sk1310]

Cam is leaving after this year. Convo over.

lol

 

[gauchoheel]

I don't see any reason to be unhappy about Cam or Jalek leaving. It likely means they had a very good year in order to feel comfortable going pro. I could see a scenario where Cam is only okay, but still decides to head to Europe. Jalek though? If he decides to go pro, he probably had a fantastic season. I'd take that, as it's not like we won't still be pretty stacked in the backcourt. Woods, White, Robinson, Black, Williams, Little, and maybe Johnson? We'd still be two deep at every position.

Likewise with Maye, I don't see it as a problem if that's what happens. He came in thinking three scholarship years. It's $8,500 for in-state tuition (plus he'd have to pay room and board I suppose), so that's not a huge amount of money.

Those are the likely scenarios. Woods/Robinson/Williams transferring would be bad, but would they tell Roy a season ahead of time? It seems like if they're reading the tealeaves and think they can't start, they ought to transfer now. Waiting would essentially mean no major playing time until fall 2019.

 

[TheFamily22]

Not that I would want to see Woods, Williams or Robinson transfer, but if they were to transfer, its because they haven't earned the playing time. I'd rather give that scholarship to someone who could come in and be an impact player anyway.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I don't see any reason to be unhappy about Cam or Jalek leaving. It likely means they had a very good year in order to feel comfortable going pro. I could see a scenario where Cam is only okay, but still decides to head to Europe. Jalek though? If he decides to go pro, he probably had a fantastic season. I'd take that, as it's not like we won't still be pretty stacked in the backcourt. Woods, White, Robinson, Black, Williams, Little, and maybe Johnson? We'd still be two deep at every position.

Likewise with Maye, I don't see it as a problem if that's what happens. He came in thinking three scholarship years. It's $8,500 for in-state tuition (plus he'd have to pay room and board I suppose), so that's not a huge amount of money.

Those are the likely scenarios. Woods/Robinson/Williams transferring would be bad, but would they tell Roy a season ahead of time? It seems like if they're reading the tealeaves and think they can't start, they ought to transfer now. Waiting would essentially mean no major playing time until fall 2019.

I'm certainly not opposed to players making decisions that they think are in their best interests - whether that means going pro or transferring. I'm just selfishly thinking in terms of what that does to the following year's team. And worried that we seem to be getting signals that someone is leaving.

I hadn't thought about Cam playing in Europe. That's another option, if he's ready to venture forth and it doesn't look like the NBA is eager to have him.

As for Luke, sure that's his choice. But, as I suggested before, whereas he was prepared to pay his own way as a freshman, if he pays this time, he'll be paying for someone else. Apparently that doesn't bother anyone else. Which is fine.

I was really trying to lay out, as I see it, why some of us are concerned to a poster who seemed intent upon mischaracterizing those concerns, and was disparaging other posters. I've now satisfied myself that he's just that kind of poster and I won't waste time on him any more.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

OK, let's look at the worst case scenario. Both Jalek and Cam leave, and we don't add any more top players to our 2018 class. What's the roster look like?

Given that all our freshman bigs will be sophomore bigs with a year of playing, practicing and conditioning under their belts, I think it looks pretty good. Still a bit of a log jam on the wings.

Seventh - Kenny S
Coby - Kenny W - (Brandon R) - Andrew
Little - Brandon R - Leaky - Rush
Luke - Garrison - Walker
Sterling - Huff

There are some here who don't think Seventh should be a PG, and we don't know how good Junior Jet will be. But Coby and Andrew have also been mentioned as people who may be able to slide into the PG slot. And, of course, Leaky was originally recruited as a PG. So I'm assuming things will work out at point. And we can always rejigger the front line depending on who comes along, including moving Little to PF, if needed.

 

[bax4444]

lol

 

[Sk1310]

lmao