other than people not leaving, what helps this roster next year?...this is the same team as i see now.
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One more year of growth and experience for the three freshmen. Senior leadership and a healthy Marcus paige. Hopefully some growth offensively from Isaiah Hicks. Possibly Kennedy Meeks will learn how to jump. Maybe somebody can tell JP tokoto to drive it to the whole. All of that is pretty optimistic. But players should grow over the summer and get better on their weaknesses.
Another year doesn't change the talent on this team. We will have an older group who still can't shoot from 3, still can't limit turnovers, etc.
This group has largely done nothing in their first 2-3 years on campus. Double digit losses each season isn't Ok by any UNC basketball standard.
This group has largely done nothing in their first 2-3 years on campus. Double digit losses each season isn't Ok by any UNC basketball standard.
I thought we agreed that the benefits of kids staying all 4 years, and the experience that comes with it, was invaluable.
Tokoto, Brice, Britt and Meeks all improved from last year ...if that trend continues for most of the rotation, you have your answer.
Reminder, it's a free country and you're welcome to choose another team if this one causes you so much pain and unhappiness.
Reminder, it's a free country and you're welcome to choose another team if this one causes you so much pain and unhappiness.
Problem is, that you can't really change the make up of people. With Marcus being the only slight exception this team doesn't have a warrior on it. Especially in the paint where you really need to go to war. They are as soft as butter. I had hoped they would mature, and physically fight for their turf. But most dont. I will give Hicks props that he will still stand in there and take a charge. But free others will. I actually think from all the ticky rac reach in fouls that Brice and Meeks would almost rather they could get out of the way altogether.
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Sometimes you wonder if people post based on what they hear from in-game commentators. Check out the stats (though they don't always tell he story)
Tokoto's are par from this year to last. However, the most improved stat for JP is his foul% which is enormously improved. But, JP is essentially playing a different position this year (refer to every post from Gary7) and I believe had he shared time at SF with Justin we'd be seeing a much more efficient and effective JP.
Brice: Much, Much better presence in the paint and improved on defence (tough to write that after Harvard) but overall his stats are much better this year - his first year as the first option down low.
Meeks: Hello? Did anyone see him beat the entire Harvard roster down the court for the easy lay-in. He's had his struggles with health, but his stats are much improved from last year and a lot of that has to do with the off-season conditioning work. Hell, the fact he's playing an additional 7min per game is testimony to his improvement.
This core has lost double digit games each season they've been at UNC. They are who they are.
I can see some improvement if Berry gets better but for the most part, they are who they are.
We need 1 more shooter and 1 post player who will never play soft.... And that doesn't look like it's on the way.
Soft? Did you see the floater by JJ in the last minute. That took gonads from a freshman. You think Pinson and Berry are soft? Hicks is nowhere near soft. Tokoto isn't soft, he's just too cool If we catch a run of fairly called games from the officials I think some of this "soft" would disappear from Meeks and Johnson. Tokoto isn't soft, he's just too cool. If we played defense like Louisville and VCU Roy and Hubert would end up having to play!
once again,everytime someone says anything negative about the team..you got another fan telling them to go jump ship!!..
Brice is one of the softest PF's in the country. Every post up shot is a fade away when he can elevate right over his defender.
Meeks fades away on too many post ups.
Everyone improves and if Berry gets more burn at the 1, Paige becomes much more effective. Plus Meeks might be put through a regimen where he improves his hops- Kennedy would be hell with a 6" vertical.
I understand a lot of your sentiments GTee, but you do sell this team short.
i probably expect more weekly and yearly...just seems it's a lot of two steps forward, one back...berry is a bright spot for me if he's used correctly...i like hicks a lot, but he also needs to be more assertive.
The difference in my opinion will be the 3 freshman.
Berry - lost 6-8 games this year but is coming on right now. Showing the ability to penetrate and knock down shots when left open. Very good decision maker with the ball towards the end of the year. Who doesn't think that he will be more assertive next year? Which will be a positive.
Jackson - This is the Jackson that I kind of expected around the middle of the year. He is a threat to shoot. With another summer of adding strength, he will get better.
Pinson - Due to his foot, we haven't seen everything that he can do. We know he can play defense and provides energy.
I think everyone forgets just how young this team is.
I would also expect Hicks to improve and harness some of the his aggressiveness.
I don't see a ton of improvement from Brice except for consistency if he can make that happen. Meeks I can't get a read on. I know he will improve physically but don't know where that takes him.
I am comfortable between Berry, Jackson and Pinson that we find that 2nd threat from outside. That should make it easier sledding for the big if opposing teams have to respect outside shooters. Don't know if we win it next year but we will be in the conversation for a Final 4 I think.
Berry - lost 6-8 games this year but is coming on right now. Showing the ability to penetrate and knock down shots when left open. Very good decision maker with the ball towards the end of the year. Who doesn't think that he will be more assertive next year? Which will be a positive.
Jackson - This is the Jackson that I kind of expected around the middle of the year. He is a threat to shoot. With another summer of adding strength, he will get better.
Pinson - Due to his foot, we haven't seen everything that he can do. We know he can play defense and provides energy.
I think everyone forgets just how young this team is.
I would also expect Hicks to improve and harness some of the his aggressiveness.
I don't see a ton of improvement from Brice except for consistency if he can make that happen. Meeks I can't get a read on. I know he will improve physically but don't know where that takes him.
I am comfortable between Berry, Jackson and Pinson that we find that 2nd threat from outside. That should make it easier sledding for the big if opposing teams have to respect outside shooters. Don't know if we win it next year but we will be in the conversation for a Final 4 I think.
I also wanted to add for the whole team: CONSISTENCY
We have proven that we have the talent over and over this year. Now we just have to do it consistently. We can play a team that some picked to win it all to a 10 point lead and then somehow lose it all in just 3 minutes. And that is just one of many examples. So I don't buy that talent is a problem.
We need consistent effort and for 1 or 2 of the 3 freshman to be an outside threat which I think we are seeing in the latter part of this season.
We have proven that we have the talent over and over this year. Now we just have to do it consistently. We can play a team that some picked to win it all to a 10 point lead and then somehow lose it all in just 3 minutes. And that is just one of many examples. So I don't buy that talent is a problem.
We need consistent effort and for 1 or 2 of the 3 freshman to be an outside threat which I think we are seeing in the latter part of this season.
I am so excited for next year's team. I honestly don't see how you can't be.
Paige healthy.
Brice another year of developing and becoming dominant down low.
JP continuing to improve and a lock down defender on the wing
Meeks has regressed slightly but another year for him to get in shape is good
The two guys I'm most fired up about:
Justin. This kid will be an absolute star next year. There is a reason he was a top recruit and he's finally showing it. Another year to be more assertive and stronger, he'll score 17-18 a game next year.
JB - This kid can run the point and we're finally seeing how he can shoot.
Please tell me a better starting 5 + 1 than JB and Paige in the backcourt, Justin on the wing, Brice and Meeks down low. With JP as a stopper off the bench. We have two guys that can score 17-18 a game, a guy down low who will average 14 and 10, and a PG who won't make mistakes.
If this team all comes back it's a top 3 team.
Paige healthy.
Brice another year of developing and becoming dominant down low.
JP continuing to improve and a lock down defender on the wing
Meeks has regressed slightly but another year for him to get in shape is good
The two guys I'm most fired up about:
Justin. This kid will be an absolute star next year. There is a reason he was a top recruit and he's finally showing it. Another year to be more assertive and stronger, he'll score 17-18 a game next year.
JB - This kid can run the point and we're finally seeing how he can shoot.
Please tell me a better starting 5 + 1 than JB and Paige in the backcourt, Justin on the wing, Brice and Meeks down low. With JP as a stopper off the bench. We have two guys that can score 17-18 a game, a guy down low who will average 14 and 10, and a PG who won't make mistakes.
If this team all comes back it's a top 3 team.
I just don't see much improvement inside. Brice is Brice. Good touch on his shot, but hasn't followed a shot in his life and still gets pushed all over the court. As far as Meeks, I think I and many others were fooled by his build. Immediately thinking he was the second coming of Sean May. But he is nowhere near the player. And he plays like he is scared to get his shot blocked as opposed to the bull in a China shop he appears he should be. I just don't think either of them have an aggressive bone in their body. I doubt that will change.
Luke Maye as only a three star will give better numbers than Simmons, Hubert and James Combined, if he gave you 6/6 a game that would be more than those three combined..
Now that's optimism.
For Johnson to become a nearly unstoppable scorer, we need two things: much more power play from the 5s and much better 3 point shooting.
I guess both could happen, if everybody works extremely hard and nothing bad happens. But at this point, I am skeptical.
I like your idea about making Tokoto the 6th man. He seems to me the epitome of what is wrong with the team now. He is a great athlete who makes a number of great plays, some of which leave your mouth open. But his basketball IQ seems to be lacking.
the problem with tokoto being a 6th man is him not accepting it and roy reluctant to sacrifice defense for offense.
remember, he started noel, manuel, and ginyard because they offered that one thing that the team needed that was full of talented, skill players...those dudes locked others down and we're versatile enough to guard 1-4 spots...if you want, add strickland, but that might have been due to a lack of depth overall.
is it just me or can you guys see the turnovers/poor passes now before they happen...it's almost the same flow or action that leads to the same illi-advised pass or ball handling mistake...it's the same with tokoto taking that 15 footer that clangs, when he maybe could draw contact getting to the hoop or making the extra pass to get a better shot.
remember, he started noel, manuel, and ginyard because they offered that one thing that the team needed that was full of talented, skill players...those dudes locked others down and we're versatile enough to guard 1-4 spots...if you want, add strickland, but that might have been due to a lack of depth overall.
is it just me or can you guys see the turnovers/poor passes now before they happen...it's almost the same flow or action that leads to the same illi-advised pass or ball handling mistake...it's the same with tokoto taking that 15 footer that clangs, when he maybe could draw contact getting to the hoop or making the extra pass to get a better shot.
Not to be a downer, but if we're banking on Maye to come in and be the answer, I'll make other arrangements for March 2016 since I won't have a need to block off time to watch the Heels in the dance.
What makes people think he'll be better than Simmons, Hubert and James? Scout ranked all 3 of those guys higher than they rank Maye when they were recruits. James was significantly higher and we all know how that turned out. Even the freshman coming in this year struggled to find their way early (granted injuries had their way) - although they've come around now.
Tokoto frustrates me on offense, too. It's almost as if he has to get in his 2 bad passes and 3 or 4 head-scratching jumpers that fall short (although, lately he's hit a few three's that might replace the two's). BUT... if Tokoto were to be injured, or out for a whole game, or games? I'd be VERY concerned about our chances to win games!
I love that starting 5 but you won't see it barring injury. Roy has deferred to upperclassmen and he won't bench JP in his senior season regardless.
^^^ so is that coaching?...not benching a player because he's a senior?...he talked about this a few years ago and i almost threw up.
It is coaching and regardless, I think that Roy has earned that right to make that decision. I often wonder if the outcome would've been different in 09 when Ginyard got hurt and Danny Green stepped into the starting line up.
Has Roy earned the right to start underperforming seniors over better underclassmen? Maybe.
Will that decision ulitmately hurt the team? Yes.
Would I rather have a team that wins games as opposed to one that rewards its underperforming seniors with more PT? Absolutely.
Also, not really sure what the Ginyard/Green dynamic has anything to do with it... they were both seniors in 09 (Ginyard got an extra years eligibility due to the injury and was allowed to play in 2010 as well).
well we still do not know who IF anyone is coming in besides Maye, the NCAA is the mammoth shoe that needs to drop IMO . I have never been optimistic about the likes of the Kinston kid coming..... just do not think it will happen
I would LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE Roy to go get a SHOOTER ala Connaughton from ND who just fills it up.
Screw the STARS and how he is rated. Just give me someone who can help Marcus, assuming he comes back, to stretch the defense.
I would LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE Roy to go get a SHOOTER ala Connaughton from ND who just fills it up.
Screw the STARS and how he is rated. Just give me someone who can help Marcus, assuming he comes back, to stretch the defense.
Just making a corollary based on the fact of Roy sticking with a player that is thought as a defensive specialist (Tokoto/Ginyard) over the overall better player (Berry/Green).
Answer to what? What he will do is push guys like Brice-Meeks to give it all they got or he will be coming in. FORGET the ranking, this kid just has it. Let's give him a chance before we throw him under the bus.
He has a cleaner better looking shot than anyone on the team other than paige right now.. You tube him he is a complete player
fwiw, the ncaa will not be dong anything to hinder the future of carolina basketball...if the coaching staff is not relaying that to high school stars, then shame on them...if opposing coaches are relaying that, then so be it.
you guys talk about the folks being negative about roy, but this idea that the ncaa is going to punish the program is nutty.
Brown and/or Ingram! Hopefully, we will see our three freshmen make a major leap forward. I mean these three guys were all Top 25 recruits and should improve significantly with time. The good news is that they are all staying and hopefully will become much more consistent shooters.
The big question is whether our bigs can play bigger! Meeks will never possess great athletic ability, but should become more comfortable with his new body and learn to use it better. Hopefully, BJ will realize his NBA potential will dramatically improve with another year in college and add more muscle and become a dominant shot blocker on the blocks. Lord knows JoEl needs more experience and hopefully the light bulb will go off and he realizes what a beast he could be.
The big question is whether our bigs can play bigger! Meeks will never possess great athletic ability, but should become more comfortable with his new body and learn to use it better. Hopefully, BJ will realize his NBA potential will dramatically improve with another year in college and add more muscle and become a dominant shot blocker on the blocks. Lord knows JoEl needs more experience and hopefully the light bulb will go off and he realizes what a beast he could be.
JP has clearly added range. Jackson has improved over the course of the season. If JP Berry and Britt can shoot a consistent 33% from 3 it'd go a long way. Mostly they just have to stop being afraid to shoot. The X factor will be Berry. If he turns out to be the PG i think he can be we'll be a top 10 team. That's without mentioning Pinson. I think next year can definitely be a title team if Brice returns and Berry does what i think he will.
Britt is shooting 38% NOW after switching hands. Jackson & Berry both are shooting it much better than the first half of the season. JP is hitting some big ones just doesn't shoot many, think that may change by next season. Think we see all 4 improve and then throw in a healthy Paige and we set for shooters for next season.
Next years team doesn't need Luke to be Joseph Forte 2.0. They just need him to make the other team respect the 3 a little more and not pack it in. Brice needs to get his damn head right. He has all the talent in the world from the shoulders down. And I agree with others that JP needs to take the ball to the rack,HARD!!! And Roy, these damn constant substitutions kill our offensive flow and let teams back into games. And please find some toughness! Remember when the Heels used to make more ft's than the opponents attempted? Yeah seems light years ago doesn't it?
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