Seventh...
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2 things that jumped out to me:
1) he has more bounce than I realized. Kid can flat out jump out of the gym.
2) the play where he blocked the backboard self alleyoop was sick! most kids would have given up on that play in a game like this.
1) he has more bounce than I realized. Kid can flat out jump out of the gym.
2) the play where he blocked the backboard self alleyoop was sick! most kids would have given up on that play in a game like this.
Some very nice dimes, seems to have good court vision. FWIU, he's working very hard on his handle and his jumper. His potential pro career is based on his ability to play the point. It is my hope that he will grow into that role by his Sophomore season.
That's impressive-that kid looks hard nosed and confident--exactly what we need--he's gonna be a great one at the Hill!! Welcome young man!
glad you guys saw the highlights...not saying he can't be a good player, but it's like watching a hs rb make plays, they're all highlights.
he'll get some shock therapy about being just one of the guys on the team and in the league.
he'll get some shock therapy about being just one of the guys on the team and in the league.
...highlights or not quick on quick is just that... Also looking at a players speed and vertical usually are true... Finally, he is now a Tar Heel and he WILL become a very, very good player. Then again, that is just the way that I see it with Seventh Woods...
gteeitup and ChapelHeeled, reminds me of a guy I know and played a lot of golf with, he is a very good golfer, wanders between +2 and +4 depending on his game at the time, anyway, he thought "I'm a pretty good player, I'll go over to this big Amateur event and see how I do"...he came back and his response to the experience was "there were 200 golfers at the event and I was about #199".
So I tend to agree, as any athlete moves "up" they will encounter better, more experienced players, Seventh is a very good player and will have some growing pains as all freshmen do or athletes moving up in class.
So I tend to agree, as any athlete moves "up" they will encounter better, more experienced players, Seventh is a very good player and will have some growing pains as all freshmen do or athletes moving up in class.
Well then your friend just was not a very good golfer after all, it would seem by the account that you gave... However, there is potential and then there is real potential in my book. I just happen to believe Seventh will indeed have some growing pains. However, he will grow into his role and then some in my opinion. Time will tell...
the kid was a man amongst boys in a private school league and had some great highlights vs better competition.
i had the luxury of watching full games and seeing not just clips.
we can all agree it's a different world now...he'll be fine as long as he understands this
i had the luxury of watching full games and seeing not just clips.
we can all agree it's a different world now...he'll be fine as long as he understands this
....yes he is even more impressive in person to me as well... Again, time will tell and I just happen to believe that time is on his side...
"i had the luxury of watching full games and seeing not just clips." < And good for you but I don't understand the purpose of saying that and not saying what YOU saw in person that others had not notated in their posts. It strikes me as you saying "you are wrong because I saw him in person"?
From what I can tell folks referring to the clip mention he is extremely athletic, did your watching him in person have you come away not feeling he is extremely athletic?
Someone else mentioned in the clip he looked hard nosed and confident, did he not look hard nosed and confident when you watched him live?
did you see ld2 in person before he stepped onto campus?
not saying roy made a mistake with woods because i think his attitude is by far better, but ld2 was a mistake was it not?...and all coaches make them, even k.
and not surprisingly, you didn't comprehend my poast
I think it's just saying 7th's level of comp wasn't the greatest and there will be be an adjustment period. I think that applies to most kids coming out of high school but some have a bigger adjustment to make than others.
And that would have been fine as well as accurate. But to say those that watched the clip from him were in some way wrong in what they shared and not even as much as a explanation why he says they were wrong other than he watched him in person?
I understand folks at times get tired of my long posts but I do that simply so I can fully share my opinion. I SEVERELY irritates me when someone posts their opinion of something and then some one replies with a YOU ARE WRONG but offer not a damn thing as to why they think that person is wrong. To me it is heavy handed, rude, and jerkish to do such a thing. If I disagree with someone I am at least going to give them the benefit of sharing exactly why I disagree and they do not have to agree with my reasoning but they will darn sure understand it.
Over the last couple days, for example, I have seen folks say "I am right because I talk to Clint" or "I am right because I saw this kid in person"? The only thing those 2 phrases inspire me to want to ask each is "Do ya want a frickin cookie"? Hey, I may as well say I am 100% right and should not be questioned today because I wore a BLUE SHIRT to work! Honestly, it would make as much sense...
Personally, I love your posts Dave. You can be a bit verbose but you always try to explain why you agree or disagree with someone. I like that.
Archer, man, isn't that the way a discussion is suppose to work, cause last I checked this was a discussion forum. You & I are face to face having a discussion over a beer or 3 and I say something you disagree with, you are gonna tell me what you disagree with and why. That is what I try to do here, treat people the very same way I would face to face discussing anything. I do not say a single thing on these boards that I would not say face to face if the opportunity presented itself.
hey, don't paint me with the wrong brush, i never said anyone was wrong..go back and read.
there's a time and a place for me to call someone out and it's definitely not in this thread, homes.
there's a time and a place for me to call someone out and it's definitely not in this thread, homes.
The comp level might not be high, but you can't deny his athleticism or explosion toward the basket.
Seventh is going to see plenty of action. Open court fast tempo.
Seventh is going to see plenty of action. Open court fast tempo.
Yep, that kind of athleticism translates across all levels of competition. It's something that simply can't be taught. Neither can his high revving motor. This kid is going to be special, IMO.
I'll just say be careful about that conclusion. 7th is a freaky athlete and he'll have that going for him, but as another poster pointed out, be careful reading too much into his PG play from highlights. His normal HS competition was not the best and his adventures at Point in AAU cost him spots in the rankings.
Roy didn't recruit him to necessarily be our next PG --- I'm sure he'll get some time there and a chance to learn, but it's very much a work in progress --- where he ends up playing down the road is an open question.
That being said, as I posted previously I've heard he is working hard on his handle and shot, and he's already found out from the alums that he won't be able to just dunk on everybody at this level. I'll tell ya, if he does get that shooting stroke more consistent watch out. He has already shown he can score in bunches, even against elite competition, and he's a willing defender. It should be fun to watch his development.
I think Seventh will be good, and very possibly an essential part of the team for the future. But I wouldn't expect to see too much out of him his freshman year. He'll see minutes, just not over Pinson, Berry, or JJ.
The freshman that will have the most impact will be Bradley. I have really good feeling about that kid.
The freshman that will have the most impact will be Bradley. I have really good feeling about that kid.
Seventh is going to be a stud. He has ability you simply cannot teach, now he just has to put the taught skills together. With his work ethic, i wouldnt be surprised at all if hes a stud mid freshman year.
I'll just say be careful about that conclusion. 7th is a freaky athlete and he'll have that going for him, but as another poster pointed out, be careful reading too much into his PG play from highlights. His normal HS competition was not the best and his adventures at Point in AAU cost him spots in the rankings.
Roy didn't recruit him to necessarily be our next PG --- I'm sure he'll get some time there and a chance to learn, but it's very much a work in progress --- where he ends up playing down the road is an open question.
That being said, as I posted previously I've heard he is working hard on his handle and shot, and he's already found out from the alums that he won't be able to just dunk on everybody at this level. I'll tell ya, if he does get that shooting stroke more consistent watch out. He has already shown he can score in bunches, even against elite competition, and he's a willing defender. It should be fun to watch his development.
gary, I understand why you have tempered your expectations for this kid a bit as a PG. I can as well understand giteeup looking to tamp down expectations of him considering the private school league he played in. I tget those things and I do not discount or dis-credit them.
But gary, there is another factor involved, do ya recall the first time you saw Joel berry play before coming to UNC? I kinda think you may have said to yourself something similar to what I did, kid may not be the most talented PG I have ever seen but there is something special in this kids attacking never back down, never quit approach to his game on the court. He may not be the best shooter or ball handling PG I have ever seen but the kid shows me the heart of a champion and guys with heart like that, they will dedicate themselves to go to what ever level they have to take themselves to in order to win, they may not get there right away but they wil get there. You saw that like I did in Joel berry, that is exactly why we talked about him like we did in his frosh season, most didn't agree with us. I saw some of that in Kenny Williams and I see a lot of that in 7th Woods.
IDK if it will be his frosh season or if it will take a lil longer, kenny couldn't get the court time as a frosh for us to really see that in him and that may occur with 7th as a freshman. But make no mistake, this kid will work on it with everything he has. You will not find 7th Woods near the end of his Jr season say he finally realized he had to work harder to play at this level because this kid will work as hard as is in his ability to do so from day 1.
I think we are ALL going to fall in love with this team next season because we have some really strong willed type of guys on this team, guys that just do not back down, guys that what ever tag you put on the soft will not be one of them. Guys like Joel, Theo, kenny, and 7th. Those kind of guys infect the rest of your team with that same kind of attitude. Look what a huge difference Joel berry and Theo made for this team last season in just their shear refusal to back down while on the court and neither had huge freshman impacts until late in their freshman seasons. From what I hear, kenny brought that same thing in practice last season but being behind a guy like Marcus and the experienced Britt made it hard for him to get game time. I strongly believe we wil all see why I am so high on kenny this coming season because I don't think he can be kept off the court this coming season. Kinda last season knocked on the door, this season he is just gonna kick it in and let us all know he is here. Wait & see guys, you are going to LOVE the Joel & kenny back court and you are going to love it on BOTH ends of the court!
And for you doubters about our chances with any of these 2017 big men, some of them will wait until the next season is over before they commit so they can see who stays and who leaves on the teams in their top 5. If UNC gets back to the final 4 this season and especially if duke and or Ky do not (and I do not think Ky will go past the sweet 16 unless they get really lucky with their draw) you will see the way these 5star front court kids look at us change for the way better!
Dave, in all honesty that is not the extent of what I saw in Berry. He was special with the ball in his hands as a PG when he was a sophomore in HS. Other than polish and normal maturation, JB was ready to run a college team right then and there. When I saw him live it took about 5 minutes to figure out we had our next great Carolina PG.
7th is a totally different deal. He's a freaky athlete and indeed has the qualities you mentioned but as a potential Carolina PG, well that's a whole 'nuther proposition. Work in progress would be the diplomatic way of putting it. Joel Berry was born to be a Lead PG and you and I both know he should've started here from day one.
I like 7th's potential, but I believe he'll have more to offer early at the 2.
I think so too. Will he eventually morph into a point guard in order to play at the next level? I believe he will. But right now, I see Nate playing about 10 minutes of backup PG with Kenny/BRob/7th getting the lion's share of the minutes at SG and perhaps Theo even seeing spot duty there.
Our perimeter defense should be stout with Joel, Kenny, Theo, and 7th patrolling the wings.
I stand by my comment despite all you guys well thought out points. I look at PG as a position that takes a MINIMUM of a full year with significant PT, the willingness to be coached hard, self-confidence, AND an off-season of hard work to master at UNC. An extremely small number of peeps have the talent OR "specialness" to excel as a freshman in our system. In addition to this, I believe Roy's offers to mostly combos instead of PGs seems to indicate he feels confident with the in-house talent. If you couple 7th's physical and mental gifts with our strength and conditioning program, record of development, and great coaching this equals great potential to me. Add in his flair, tenacity, willing defense, coachability, and skill and you have the recipe for a fan favorite! I'm too old to believe in instant gratification, so if I say "grow" into a great PG, I'm thinking of years not months.
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