Stretch 4?
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I mean...yeah, it's great...but people don't realize pros do this regularly. There are 50 guys in the NBA who can hit 20 three's in a row with no defense. This is the kind of stuff that ruins GM's, watching this instead of actual games.
That said, I think Lauri has serious game. But I think that not because he hit a few wide open threes.
That said, I think Lauri has serious game. But I think that not because he hit a few wide open threes.
I think OP is trying to throw a dig at Tony Bradley's comments that he sees himself as a stretch 4.
I think it's pretty sad that some of our board members are taking shots at a guy who helped us win a championship because they disagree with his decision.
I care that this guy chose not to be a Heel.... a decision which I believe gave much more opportunity for Luke Maye to develop.
It's a subjective argument to say The Heels would or wouldn't have won if Markannen had been on the team, but I reckon him not being there opened up the door for Luke and THAT shot..... a most unlikely and wonderful moment for us fans from a most unlikely and wonderful Tar Heel....
Besides that, I don't care about the Finnish kid.... enjoy the NBA, might see you when flicking through the channels.
What is not subjective though is that we are National Champs without him! "We'll win with you or without"!
I think most wish nothing but the best for Tony, I do think many, myself included, felt/feel the better decision for him was to come back for another year to develop as a player more, to be more ready to play at that next level. I don't blame Tony, I blame those pushing him to the league, what I sincerely believe is to soon. I believe he could and would have further developed playing on the big stage for UNC and being a key guy more than playing in the NBADL and sitting on the end of a NBA teams bench. Some believe guys develop more in the NBA than in college but I don't agree, I think being a key guy and playing under the pressure of big time college games develops players more early on, steel is forged in fire.
I get the other side of the argument so no need to explain it to me, I just don't agree. I would as well add, Tony is not now anything close to a NBA stretch 4, would not have been a college stretch 4 either, kid need to watch some tapes of Dirk to realize, that is not him. May want to develop a mid range game that is dependable in actual games before dreaming of being a stretch. Kid has huge upside if he can ever realize it, I hope he does, would have liked to have seen that consistently playing for us but as I said, wish him nothing but the best.
I get the other side of the argument so no need to explain it to me, I just don't agree. I would as well add, Tony is not now anything close to a NBA stretch 4, would not have been a college stretch 4 either, kid need to watch some tapes of Dirk to realize, that is not him. May want to develop a mid range game that is dependable in actual games before dreaming of being a stretch. Kid has huge upside if he can ever realize it, I hope he does, would have liked to have seen that consistently playing for us but as I said, wish him nothing but the best.
I still am really having a hard time believing that some here, even after the kid took the whole process all the way to the last day of May 24 before making a decision, are still clinging to the notion that Bradley was being "pushed to the league" by some unknown entity.
Common sense would dictate he was being given information that no one here(well Im sure some will claim they know) is privy to, by people much smarter than anyone here(again Im sure some will debate this as well) as far as Basketball goes.. and Im sure his info is pretty solid at this point.
Common sense would dictate he was being given information that no one here(well Im sure some will claim they know) is privy to, by people much smarter than anyone here(again Im sure some will debate this as well) as far as Basketball goes.. and Im sure his info is pretty solid at this point.
Might not be about Tony. His decision has been made and I wish him nothing but the best. On the other hand we did recruit the Finn. He chose another school and thus missed two National Championship games in a row...
I think this is the rational way to look at this if you disagree with his move to go to the NBA.
However, OP posting threads trying to show what a "real stretch 4" is doesn't really scream "I support Tony even though I disagree with his decision".
I think the whole idea of stretch 4 is dumb as shit. I have guards and wings that can shoot 3s. I like my big men to rebound and play close to the basket.
The 80s called, they want their style of basketball back.
Bottom line is that the Warriors have won more games in the last 3 seasons than any team in NBA history. The team with the 2nd most in the past 3 years, Cleveland, has 1 big and even he steps out a bunch. They are doing it without true bigs. Other teams that have true bigs can't beat them, so why would you keep sending out rosters like Philly to just continue to lose?
I must say I like the development into more of a stretch game than the 80s style. The whole point of the game of basketball when it was invented was to be able to have the skill to shoot a ball into a basket. It ultimately developed into who was bigger than who and could just muscle/push their way through the post to the basket. That isn't skill, that's just being big.
I'd be in favor of instituting a rule that if you shot below 50% FT for an entire season - that you get suspended for half the following season or something like that. Obviously will never happen - but it would save the game from the DeAndre Jordan's and Dwight Howards of the world who can't actually shoot a basketball.
I'd be in favor of instituting a rule that if you shot below 50% FT for an entire season - that you get suspended for half the following season or something like that. Obviously will never happen - but it would save the game from the DeAndre Jordan's and Dwight Howards of the world who can't actually shoot a basketball.
But the game was designed to get shooters shots. That's how the game was originally developed - 5 guys working as a unit to get a shot for the shooter. I promise you that James Naismith didn't intend for big men to take shots from 26 feet. Big men were for setting screens, rebounding and making it difficult for opponents to get shots off near the basket. I just prefer roles to be carved out and for each player to have a role. That's why Carolina basketball is so attractive to me. Roy subscribes to my kind of thinking. If Lauri Markkanen is 30 feet from the basket, when the shot is missed, that's a wasted 7 footer out roaming around on the perimeter giving you less chance at a second opportunity.
I would agree to that if we also instituted this rule - if a team shoots more 3 pointers than 2 pointers in a game, that team is not allowed to shoot any 3 pointers in the next game. I saw a game a couple weeks ago where the Houston Rockets made 9 two-point FGs. NINE!! That's absurd. We're talking about an NBA team. They shot 13-40 from the 3 point line. Their shooting percentage for the game was 28%. That isn't skill either.
I am not a huge fan of swing in the game featuring all this launching treys, it is akin to me of throwing enough shait on the wall and hoping enough of it sticks, it makes the game to much a focus on individual shooting as opposed to a team working the ball for the best shot.
I prefer players to play more toward their natural strengths as opposed to trying to be something they are not just because Lebron or Durant can. Tony for example is a classic center that wants to be a wing, that makes as much sense to me as Joel wanting to be a center? NBA rules force to much of that IMO, shortened shot clock, wider lane, ect. I didn't notice Tim Duncan making a career out at the trey line, not every kid 6'9+ are or could ever be Lebron, Durant, or Dirk but they seem to need to try to be and I don't see that as a good development.
GSW happen to have some excellent 3pt shooters, a unique collection of them all on 1 team, they play to their strength. based on their personnel, teams should play based on their personnel not based on the personnel some other team has. It is kind of like UNC style of play vs duke, duke being the team that loves the treys and UNC works the ball for the best shot, both styles work but I like ours more. This coming season we may have to play more of the outside shooting game because our team strength is more in our back court and we are loaded with youth in our front court so personnel may and maybe should force us more to outside shooting than usual. But I sure would love to have the experienced bigs we could pound the ball inside to for easier shots.
I prefer players to play more toward their natural strengths as opposed to trying to be something they are not just because Lebron or Durant can. Tony for example is a classic center that wants to be a wing, that makes as much sense to me as Joel wanting to be a center? NBA rules force to much of that IMO, shortened shot clock, wider lane, ect. I didn't notice Tim Duncan making a career out at the trey line, not every kid 6'9+ are or could ever be Lebron, Durant, or Dirk but they seem to need to try to be and I don't see that as a good development.
GSW happen to have some excellent 3pt shooters, a unique collection of them all on 1 team, they play to their strength. based on their personnel, teams should play based on their personnel not based on the personnel some other team has. It is kind of like UNC style of play vs duke, duke being the team that loves the treys and UNC works the ball for the best shot, both styles work but I like ours more. This coming season we may have to play more of the outside shooting game because our team strength is more in our back court and we are loaded with youth in our front court so personnel may and maybe should force us more to outside shooting than usual. But I sure would love to have the experienced bigs we could pound the ball inside to for easier shots.
Great coaches design plays to get the best player, the best shot, in a position that fits his skill set! They teach peeps to give up good shots for great AND the concept that if a team is leaving you open in a certain area, they probably have good reason! (See Manuel at the 3 pt line) This is one thing I love about Roy (and one of the most misunderstood aspects of his coaching) that he will cater the offense based on his personnel! We love to run and pound it inside, BUT when we don't have horses, we play slower, and when we don't have bigs that demand attention we focus on perimeter!
Peeps always give ratty credit for his masterful offensive guruship, but I see the same style every year no matter who is on the roster! I guess training excellent screeners and floppers makes you HOF material!
Peeps always give ratty credit for his masterful offensive guruship, but I see the same style every year no matter who is on the roster! I guess training excellent screeners and floppers makes you HOF material!
The Lakers or the Celtics in their prime would beat the pants off the Warriors or the Cavs.
Literally an impossible to prove argument but I like the convo.
My only argument for the Warriors is that the Celts literally couldn't play Parish because he couldn't guard anyone on GSW. Lakers match up better.
And the 96 Bulls going small with Harper, Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc would stomp the Warriors defensively.
I actually see some potential in Tony as a jump shooting big man. Now shooting in the 3 point contest at McDonalds game and the college 3 ball are very different than the NBA 3 ball. But good luck to him , I hope he develops those skills. Whether it's 1 year or 4 years , if the guys that come thru UNC do well in the NBA it will do more for the perception of players than just getting drafted high. All the high draft picks UK has are nothing if you don't have guys that develop into AS caliber players once there. Again it's perception over reality and the perception of success of NBA players does bleed down to the college programs they come from to some degree.
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