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Take a look at this. Duke is a "quality win" for some but not for us?

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This is what I am talking about. I think Northwestern is a good team, but ESPN writes this:

" They have quality wins (Stanford, Duke, Wisconsin)."

I agree. I think beating Duke, Wisky (prolly not ranked now) and Stanford are indeed quality wins. But somehow our absolute trashing and dominating Duke is not talked of as a "quality win." It's just evidence of a weak schedule for us but a quality win for anyone else...:(


http://espn.go.com/college-football/powerrankings/_/week/13
 
Your point is valid as in beating this school is good for team A then it will also be good for team B, but I contend Dook isn't a 'quality win' for anyone.
 
BeezerHeel said:
Your point is valid as in beating this school is good for team A then it will also be good for team B, but I contend Dook isn't a 'quality win' for anyone.
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I don't like Duke either and they seem to have fallen apart a bit but they are not or were not a horrible football team when they faced us. We just played awesome with expert strategy and absolutely dominated them.

But we get no respect and another team is lauded for just beating them. Makes no sense.

It'd be nice to see LSU and Duke meet in a bowl. Not sure who would win.
 
Its not about liking or not liking Dook. They aren't good. Dook was a pretender. They're schedule was similar to ours and where are we? Where are they? I wish they were better because it would help us out in SOS. But I did agree with your other point in the original post.
 
This whole process for the college playoff is a pile of crap. Media is trying to control who gets in and the committee itself just wants big names in there so it can make more $$$$$$$$$! It as about as corrupt as the government. UNC is not a big "football" name and therefore will not get in. They want Notre Dame in their real bad.
 
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SeaHawk98 said:
This whole process for the college playoff is a pile of crap. Media is trying to control who gets in and the committee itself just wants big names in there so it can make more $$$$$$$$$! It as about as corrupt as the government. UNC is not a big "football" name and therefore will not get in. They want Notre Dame in their real bad.
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sad, but 100% true. the answer to the question "who's in?" is very simple: FOLLOW THE MONEY. that's especially true when you get into hundreds of millions of bucks like college football has become. n.dame is big money for ratings so they will be in the playoffs any year the committee can find any possible justification.
 
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Still can't figure out why (yes I can) the Pitt Panthers can't scratch the top 25? Other schools with similar records and worse losses keep coming in and out of the bottom of the polls every week while Pitt stays consistently just outside only losing to Iowa, ND and UNC. You can keep a good man down.
 
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Still can't figure out why (yes I can) the Pitt Panthers can't scratch the top 25? Other schools with similar records and worse losses keep coming in and out of the bottom of the polls every week while Pitt stays consistently just outside only losing to Iowa, ND and UNC. You can keep a good man down.
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They should definitely be top 25 with those losses, but I figure they aren't ranked because it supports the narrative that UNC didn't play any one good.
 
JimmyinVA said:
sad, but 100% true. the answer to the question "who's in?" is very simple: FOLLOW THE MONEY. that's especially true when you get into hundreds of millions of bucks like college football has become. n.dame is big money for ratings so they will be in the playoffs any year the committee can find any possible justification.
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I cynically assumed that's what they meant by the "eye test" part of the criteria. Who gets the most eyes watching on TV. Not any sort of subjective look at the team.
 
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tarheelvoices said:
They should definitely be top 25 with those losses, but I figure they aren't ranked because it supports the narrative that UNC didn't play any one good.
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In terms of AP, most programs get some love from their local media which helps them. Pitt, on the other hand, gets the opposite from the local media, many of whom are Paterno apologist cultists.
 
FYI - UNC is tied for 2nd with all FBS teams for playing most P5 teams this year. So the FCS debate is over used.
 
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Regarding the FCS argument, what's the difference between NC A&T and Wofford? Or Delaware and Charleston Southern or a Louisiana Monroe? It's such a bs argument. All of those games are scheduled with the intent on them not being close. It's not like anyone would think our schedule was any tougher if we had scheduled some loser from the Southland instead of us getting stuck with who we did. If any of the current top 4 teams swapped 2 of their patsies for two of our patsies I don't believe we would hear a thing about them unable to do enough to get in the CFP.
 
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Regarding the FCS argument, what's the difference between NC A&T and Wofford? Or Delaware and Charleston Southern or a Louisiana Monroe? It's such a bs argument. All of those games are scheduled with the intent on them not being close. It's not like anyone would think our schedule was any tougher if we had scheduled some loser from the Southland instead of us getting stuck with who we did. If any of the current top 4 teams swapped 2 of their patsies for two of our patsies I don't believe we would hear a thing about them unable to do enough to get in the CFP.
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The South Carolina loss is a killer...they have 3 wins and the other 2 are against UCF who is 0-11 and Vandy...face it you lose to this SC team and people will not take you serious/or show respect(hell so bad the coach quit on them)...that maybe the worse loss in UNC school history(considering what it may cost... with a victory over CLEMSON a playoff miss) OR EVEN WITH A LOSS to Clemson( a BCS bowl game miss most likely).. ironically in a year that may turn out to be the best fb season in UNC school history..Citadel beating SC is not helping with the national narrative on UNC fb either
 
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Re: the loss to SC, it is what it is at this point. I'm not so sure this team would be 11-0 if we had won that game anyway. The players have already stated that the SC loss gave them a rallying point to not let that happen again, whereas had they won the game, they might not have regrouped and been able to pull of the comeback vs GT, or regain their composure last week vs VT. Who knows? I'm just enjoying the hell out of this season and whatever happens, happens.

GO HEELS!
 
TarHeelMark said:
Re: the loss to SC, it is what it is at this point. I'm not so sure this team would be 11-0 if we had won that game anyway. The players have already stated that the SC loss gave them a rallying point to not let that happen again, whereas had they won the game, they might not have regrouped and been able to pull of the comeback vs GT, or regain their composure last week vs VT. Who knows? I'm just enjoying the hell out of this season and whatever happens, happens.

GO HEELS!
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I agree with you great post...but others are complaining about the respect issue and game one shot that to hell...move forward the SC game is old news
 
2for3 said:
I agree with you great post...but others are complaining about the respect issue and game one shot that to hell...move forward the SC game is old news
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I can understand some feeling that way, but honestly the Heels won't get the respect in football like they do in basketball. We aren't a brand name... yet. Hopefully, the Fed/Chiz combo doesn't get lured away and we can sustain this for many years to come and EARN the respect.
 
2for3 said:
The South Carolina loss is a killer...they have 3 wins and the other 2 are against UCF who is 0-11 and Vandy...face it you lose to this SC team and people will not take you serious/or show respect(hell so bad the coach quit on them)...that maybe the worse loss in UNC school history(considering what it may cost... with a victory over CLEMSON a playoff miss) OR EVEN WITH A LOSS to Clemson( a BCS bowl game miss most likely).. ironically in a year that may turn out to be the best fb season in UNC school history..Citadel beating SC is not helping with the national narrative on UNC fb either
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Season opener. SC hadn't fallen apart by then. By the game control standard, we controlled the game. We beat ourselves more than they beat us.

You gotta look at how teams are end of season if you want to pick the best teams. Plus a lot of this SOS stuff is skewed. Alabama may end it's regular season having played only one ranked team and lost to them. Not saying our wins and losses stack up with them. Nor that we are better.

But if we beat State and Clemson, our SOS may arguably have been better than their's, ranked number one by some. Yet if they win out, they'll be automatic and perhaps still some debate about our record.
 
2for3 said:
The South Carolina loss is a killer...they have 3 wins and the other 2 are against UCF who is 0-11 and Vandy...face it you lose to this SC team and people will not take you serious/or show respect(hell so bad the coach quit on them)...that maybe the worse loss in UNC school history(considering what it may cost... with a victory over CLEMSON a playoff miss) OR EVEN WITH A LOSS to Clemson( a BCS bowl game miss most likely).. ironically in a year that may turn out to be the best fb season in UNC school history..Citadel beating SC is not helping with the national narrative on UNC fb either
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My point isn't that we didn't have a bad loss. We did. My point is that the FCS argument shouldn't be the reason we aren't getting considered. Most folks in the media are using that as the top excuse. I'm saying there is no difference between our two FCS foes and Wofford, Charleston So or other weak sisters in poor D1 conferences.
 
there's definitely widespread bias against unc and i don't think the football committee's immune to that. part of it is widespread abc attitudes -- fans alumni of other schools who were victimized for decades by unc's basketball dynasty and detest the idea of unc being strong in both sports. many abc'ers who developed that mindset during their college days are now employed in some way in the press, ncaa, etc. and that's just an unfortunate reality we have to live with -- and overcome. the other half of the bias comes from the negative (and generally unfair) press we have received in recent years from the illegal benefits scandal and the academic scandal with african studies. my point is the bias we're seeing took a long time to develop and it's not going away because of one season of good football.
 
I just can't buy the "all people older than us hate us" theory, jimmyva. Why can other schools be good at both and we cannot?

To your point on AA studies - I've been waiting for this shoe to drop. I've been looking for it and this is the first time i'm hearing it. First, the CFP isn't even associated with the NCAA. Secondly, you don't think any of those people on the committee have ever cheated at bball or football? Karma and all that. Not buying it.

We just have to get consistently good in order to get the breaks. Gotta make your bones, saan. No one just gives it to you.
 
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