So are you saying Carolina basketball is average since the last 3 years is your measure?
I stand corrected, it was Texas A & M not Mississippi St. I'm saying, helll yes it is UNC basketball the past 8 years. Absolutely!!! Last year was a championship game run. Roy had the the 1 seed that got beat down by Auburn in the sweet 16, they were competitive. Has not been the level that Hubert gave last year in awhile. Wisconsin and A&M were not even competitive. Hell Auburn wasn't either at least that was sweet 16 not round 1.
The Wisconsin blowout was tough to watch as well.
Thanks for answering my question. My follow up would be, do you want the past eight years to become the standard?
No, not the standard, you always strive to consistently be in contention, but the narrative that this season is an outlier isn't the case though, UNC is not running out clearly superior players then all but a handful of teams, as in the past. The type of recruiting classes of the past do seem to be returning. Different era though, we will see how they navigate the waters.
The 3 years prior to Davis as HVCM Davis was clearly Roy's hand picked, personally mentored choice of the next HC. That means that Davis was the key assistant on 3 UNC tams on a downturn before he became HC.
Go ahead and completely ignore the recruiting troubles brought on by the fake investigation. That was the cause of the downturn, not poor coaching. It's still having an effect.
YOU do realize Roy was a HOF, 3x Championship Winning, 900+ win HC that not only had a RECORD of bringing the program back from losing seasons, but also turning highly ranked yet raw talent into Championship contenders, right?
Yeah we don't give Roy enough credit for what he did, and I think we are blinded by the fact that he hand picked a turd for the one to follow him. I would take Roy back right now and would feel great about it!
These people will say anything to defend Hubert, even pretend Roy was chopped liver. People talking about "they made him retire" are F.O.S. too (the man was nearing 70 ffs). If Hubert managed to get this team to a championship game, I don't doubt for a second Roy could've won the whole thing in the near 5 years he would've had most of these core guys. "Untalented" my ass.
They are not untalented. That is for the Hubert apologist to try and justify what they see. They are underachievers but not untalented.
So much this.
I just posted on another thread in Roy's cycles of recruits and how his team.we staged to develop this was the year for them to be Championship ready! Every championship team and final four team Roy had was on year 3 of the core group he brought in, and sometime it happened in 2 year and some times there was an injury, or a game they just could pull out.
Now you know he is hinting at there being a race component even thou race played no part in Hubert getting this job. Everything has to be about race now days, sad to say that is the world we live in.
It was or it wasn't? Hinting that it was but insisting that it wasn't, is also, sad to say, the world we live in. A token black guy? No way in hell do I believe that was EVER part of the consideration. If it was, then the university deserves to lose, and lose badly.
It was not a component at all nor should it have been! I was just replying to the poster that seems to be afraid to say what he really felt. My point was/is don't be skeered to say what you believe even if it is not popular to say it. Alluding to something but not having the guts to say it, not standing up for what you believe, I take issue with. I believe STRONGLY that UNC considered Hubert in the same way I consider Hubert (or any person), more about WHO the man is than WHAT the man is.
He wasn't talking about that being a consideration for hiring him. He was talking about the leash, the question you asked.
No, a downturn when a coach is heading over the hill does not mean the great years did not happen. But the downturn does mean that the program that coach leaves is in the same shape it was when he was at his peak. And it also means that assistants who were with him during those years are far being above reproach. Offhand, I can't think of a single coach who was part of. staff that took the down turn when a coach was headed over the hill who then became a top HC. Perhaps those assistants carry with them the downturn. They did have a hand in it.
Well, one WHO is not is he is not a proven HC. Nor has he propven he can be a top assistant on a program that is rebuilding, or at a program that has little basketball history. WHO he is is a guy with very limited, incestuous experience.
He's saying PR plays a role in these types of decisions. Ultimately, why he would get fired would be performance, but many things play a role with the timing. Especially at UNC.
Key word is "part of". Seen some people, not necessarily this board, try to treat it as if that was the primary/only factor. I have a bigger issue with the nepotism and the zero experience parts of it.
I think this is true given the other political events that gained widespread attention here in the past couple of years. I wouldn't be shocked if hiring him in the first place was agreed to as a way of trying to save face for all their previous ISSUES
