The Bear or 'That's not who we are'?

[WoadBlue]

The question refers to the offense this season - not its execution but game planning.

Bear Bryant was a flexible coach. He altered what his teams did on each side of the ball based on the players he had at the time. For example, when the Bear had QBs like Namath and Stabler, his teams passed quite a bit for the era and used the threat of the pass to make Ds think twice about stacking the box.

Then when Bama ran out of QBs who could pass, and the wishbone had been invented, and Bama had 3 very good RBs and a couple of top notch FBs, the Bear adopted the wishbone. A couple of years into the Bama wishbone days, Bryant again had a QB who could pass, and thus was born the Tide Bone, which passed at least twice as often Texas and perhaps 3 times as often as Oklahoma.

The other kind of coach is marked by idee fixe. He has an idea in his head, and come Hell or high water, he intends to make everyone act according to that idea.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Bear Bryant had unreal depth. He’s the reason we instituted scholarship restrictions

 

[tarheel0910]

The question refers to the offense this season - not its execution but game planning.

Bear Bryant was a flexible coach. He altered what his teams did on each side of the ball based on the players he had at the time. For example, when the Bear had QBs like Namath and Stabler, his teams passed quite a bit for the era and used the threat of the pass to make Ds think twice about stacking the box.

Then when Bama ran out of QBs who could pass, and the wishbone had been invented, and Bama had 3 very good RBs and a couple of top notch FBs, the Bear adopted the wishbone. A couple of years into the Bama wishbone days, Bryant again had a QB who could pass, and thus was born the Tide Bone, which passed at least twice as often Texas and perhaps 3 times as often as Oklahoma.

The other kind of coach is marked by idee fixe. He has an idea in his head, and come Hell or high water, he intends to make everyone act according to that idea.

What exactly is your question? Are you asking us if we want Fed to be more run heavy due to the QB situation? If that's your question, then yes.

 

[heelbent]

What exactly is your question? Are you asking us if we want Fed to be more run heavy due to the QB situation? If that's your question, then yes.

And I think he will be. Making them stack the box only helps Elliot.

 

[Roady]

Great offensive coaches adapt..

Bobby Bowden won a NC in 93 by installing a fast break, no huddle spread with Charley Ward at QB...now proliferating as a scheme but innovative 25 years back.

In 99...he won a NC with a drop back passer and a pro set offense that featured a fullback and often showed the power I.

Before he had the premier athletes, he used trick plays and movement to try to even things up and became known as "the Riverboat Gambler"...later when he was accused of going conservative...he said.."when you are good, you don't have to gamble".

Jimmy Johnson, at Miami, was the first to design an offense entirely around speed...smaller, faster players. The Canes played "hybrid" players before that term was used...FSU followed and added their own wrinkles.

Say what you will about Urban or Saban...they move to what works for them...having the best athletes probably means that they don't need a tricky scheme to win.

 

[heelmanwilm]

These are all examples of coaches adjusting to exceptional talent or depth to their advantage. We are not in that league. Or even universe. We def have some good rb’s. But not good enough to change the off philosphy for.

 

[Roady]

One has to ask...why can't UNC be more competitive in football?

Why can't the Heels be more like South Carolina based Clemson and less like Wake Forest?

Why are Wake, Duke, and NC State ahead in recruit class rankings?

UNC is a prestigious university with an athletic tradition in basketball....Is it that it is very difficult to be very good in two major sports? A division of effort, enthusiasm, emphasis?

 

[JimmyinVA]

These are all examples of coaches adjusting to exceptional talent or depth to their advantage. We are not in that league. Or even universe. We def have some good rb’s. But not good enough to change the off philosphy for.

i respectfully disagree. i agree with the op. fedora needs develop a strong ground attack, a more balanced and unpredictable offense that sustains drives and eats up some clock. he needs to get over his mistaken belief that time of possession is irrelevant.

 

[ticket2ride04]

i respectfully disagree. i agree with the op. fedora needs develop a strong ground attack, a more balanced and unpredictable offense that sustains drives and eats up some clock. he needs to get over his mistaken belief that time of possession is irrelevant.

I get criticism for Fedora’s defense. But offense? Really? He’s smashed UNC’s offensive records. He’s widely redarded as an offensive genius

 

[ticket2ride04]

One has to ask...why can't UNC be more competitive in football?

Why can't the Heels be more like South Carolina based Clemson and less like Wake Forest?

Why are Wake, Duke, and NC State ahead in recruit class rankings?

UNC is a prestigious university with an athletic tradition in basketball....Is it that it is very difficult to be very good in two major sports? A division of effort, enthusiasm, emphasis?

Surely you know the difference between Clemson and UNC?

 

[Roady]

Absolutely...Clemson is a football foremost program.

And yeah, we can sniff about "academics" but the rest of the ACC does not buy that for UNC athletes.

Clemson is an SEC like team...UNC is a Tobacco Road like team....but I still ask..."With the advantages that UNC has, why can the Heels not put together a better football program?"

 

[ticket2ride04]

Absolutely...Clemson is a football foremost program.

And yeah, we can sniff about "academics" but the rest of the ACC does not buy that for UNC athletes.

Clemson is an SEC like team...UNC is a Tobacco Road like team....but I still ask..."With the advantages that UNC has, why can the Heels not put together a better football program?"

Well, a couple years ago we were legitimately in the conversation for making the playoffs. Who knows what happens if we don’t get screwed on the onside kick against Clemson. But we have been dealing with sanctions from the Butch era compounded by the AFAM scandal. If Roy Williams was losing out on top recruits, imagine what it did to Football.

Lastly, UNC will never be elite like Bama or Clemson. We don’t put enough money into the program.

 

[Roady]

True...that 2015 team had the best record of the last 20 years...and the only year with more than 8 wins in the last 20.

The 1997 and 2015 teams had good years with double digit wins....I was at a game watching that '97 team...I remember Dre Bley from that team.

 

[Roady]

and Lordy...do I remember Peppers.

More like him and UNC would again be a conference power.

 

[JimmyinVA]

I get criticism for Fedora’s defense. But offense? Really? He’s smashed UNC’s offensive records. He’s widely redarded as an offensive genius

UNC Total Offensive Yds/Game Ranking -- FBS:

2017 -- 103rd
2016 -- 49th (w/ Trubisky!)
2015 -- 17th.
2014 -- 43rd.
2013 -- 66th
2012 -- 14th.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-game?date=2013-01-07

2012 & 2015 were strong years, but look at the other 4. if you look at other stats like 3rd down conversion % and time of possession, fedora looks even worse. we obviously have a different definition of genius.

fedora's offenses tend to either score quickly or go 3 and out. i believe he needs a more balanced philosophy between pass/run. some posters on this board have argued that lopsided time of possession is not important as long as we score points. if we had great depth on defensive like alabama guaranteeing fresh legs in crunch time, i might agree.

 

[lerario]

UNC Total Offensive Yds/Game Ranking -- FBS:

2017 -- 103rd
2016 -- 49th (w/ Trubisky!)
2015 -- 17th.
2014 -- 43rd.
2013 -- 66th
2012 -- 14th.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-game?date=2013-01-07

2012 & 2015 were strong years, but look at the other 4. if you look at other stats like 3rd down conversion % and time of possession, fedora looks even worse. we obviously have a different definition of genius.

fedora's offenses tend to either score quickly or go 3 and out. i believe he needs a more balanced philosophy between pass/run. some posters on this board have argued that lopsided time of possession is not important as long as we score points. if we had great depth on defensive like alabama guaranteeing fresh legs in crunch time, i might agree.

Total offense per game is probably the worst stat possible to judge whether an offense is good or not, time of possession being right there with it. So thank you for confirming that you don't know much about football, and effectively undermining your own worthless argument.

Please post the stats, for yards per play, points per drive, and 3rd down %.

i respectfully disagree. i agree with the op. fedora needs develop a strong ground attack, a more balanced and unpredictable offense that sustains drives and eats up some clock. he needs to get over his mistaken belief that time of possession is irrelevant.

We have had some of the best rushing teams in school history under LF when we've had good OL and good RBs. You need to get over the outdated belief that time of possession matters. Fed has been pretty flexible on offense despite all the arm chair Maddens not seeing it. Our offenses in 2012, 2015, 2016 where all very different and tailored to the personnel. Our 2016 numbers were tracking very closely to 2015 until Hollins, Heck, and Petersen all went down for the season (not to mention Hood was never fully healthy).

So in summation, it's hilarious to see people who don't have a clue bitch and moan about the offense.

 

[franklin street]

i'm convinced.
hire this bear guy!