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The last 5 games

gunslingerdick

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If you recall, I posted a thread a few weeks back where we discussed a pivotal 5 game stretch. It started with moo and ended with Syracuse. We won them all. We have arrived at another pivotal 5 game stretch. It just so happens this one ends the regular season.

So, what does this stretch mean? Well, I'm of the belief that the next 5 games are all "must win" games for us. And like the previous 5 game stretch that had it own thread, I think we can and should win them all. Let's break it down.

First up is a Saturday home, noon tip with GT. GT isn't good. We should be favored by roughly 10 points and we should win by even more. Our confidence could be shaken a bit but if it is, that's on Roy. He has to motivate this team to the point where they think we can still do great things. Because we can. We can't win the reg season. But we need to make damn sure we get one of the top 4 seeds in the ACC tournament. Winning this game, starts our ascension. And let's be honest, if we lose to GT at home, we can pretty much close the book on the season.

Next up is moo at our place on Tuesday of next week. Let's forget about the mind control we have over moo. Even still, we're a better team than they are and we're playing at home. Again, we will be favored and we should win. The thing that scares me about this game, and the GT game to a lesser degree, is that because we are better, do we get a lead and then piss it away? That's this team's MO. We just don't finish well. We controlled the first game against moo but we let them stay close by not being productive down the stretch and they made a game out of it. But like losing a game at home to GT, if we have not learned how to keep the pedal down after last night, this team doesn't have much of a chance in the NCAA tourney.

The 3rd game of this 5 game stretch is a road game at Miami. This is, IMO, the toughest game left on our schedule. If we win the next 2, we should be favored though. Miami is a hot and cold team. Some nights they play great and others they play like dogs. They have the disadvantage of playing 2 tough games before us - @Louisville and home against rival FSU. That might take a lot out of them. But this will be the real measuring stick of this team's resolve. I expect to beat GT and moo because they're home games. But to go on the road, late in the season and beat a capable team will show if we've grown through the last 2 weeks.

The 4th game is a road game against GT. We never play any sport well in ATL but again, GT is bad. They don't do anything well except rebound the ball. But it just so happens that we're pretty good at that too. And frankly, I think their rebounding numbers are inflated by being such a bad shooting team. Their bound to come up with some of those misses.

Last, but of course, not least, the rematch with duke. If our boys don't want this game after serving it up to them last night, then we need new players. I have a feeling though that we'll play our best game of the year and that we'll win that game decisively.

Winning all 5 puts us at 23-8 (13-5 - which is what Kenpom predicted for us) going into the ACC tournament. Will that put us in the top 4? I think so. UVa basically has the 1 spot locked up. Duke and ND are battling for the 2 seed with duke having the tiebreaker on account of them beating UVa. It's us and Louisville battling for the coveted 4 seed. We could make our way to the 2 or 3 seed but I don't think that's happening. And I'm ok with that....as long as we get the 4 seed. ND only has 4 games left and only one is tough. Duke has us and then their next toughest game is a home game against Syracuse. So it doesn't look like duke or ND is coming back to the pack. Louisville has 2 really tough games left - against UVa and ND. Both of those games are at home but the Cards have been better on the road this year. We need Louisville to lose though because they will hold the tiebreaker over us on account of beating ND (if they win out).

Thoughts?
 
Good analysis GSD.

I just hope the last (as in final) 5 games go better than the last (previous) 5 games. I agree that I think the game @Miami will be the toughest test for this group. They should beat mediocre/bad competition at home, GT isnt good enough to give us trouble even on the road (hopefully) even if we don't quite play our best, and as you mentioned the team should be salivating for the chance to rematch Duke, and I'd have to give us the edge in that one at home as well, by a respectible margin.

Louisville appears to be trending down (although to be fair, so do we). So I'm hoping we can secure that 4 seed in the ACC tourney.

For what its worth (which isn't much) Lunardi has us as a 4 seed in the big Dance as well, with the higher seeds in our region being Gonzaga, Arizona, and Iowa St. Honestly, if I could sign up to be the 4 seed in that region right now I'd take it. We'd play in Jacksonville (next closest location since UVA and Duke would take Charlotte. I'm not crazy about going out to LA to play the regionals games, but at least Gonzaga and Arizona aren't exactly home teams there so I think we'd fare ok. Obviously dodging UK and hoping someone else knocks them out earlier is optimal
 
do you guys really believe this team has enough resolve to push through the last five games to go at worst 4-1?

something bilas said the other day...what you see from these two teams in this game is not what you see before or after...he makes a great point because neither team guards as well or plays with the same emotion for any other game.

gsd, i like and agree with your analysis...i just don't think they have shown enough to make a good run down the stretch.
 
Originally posted by Hark_The_Sound_2010:


For what its worth (which isn't much) Lunardi has us as a 4 seed in the big Dance as well, with the higher seeds in our region being Gonzaga, Arizona, and Iowa St. Honestly, if I could sign up to be the 4 seed in that region right now I'd take it. We'd play in Jacksonville (next closest location since UVA and Duke would take Charlotte. I'm not crazy about going out to LA to play the regionals games, but at least Gonzaga and Arizona aren't exactly home teams there so I think we'd fare ok. Obviously dodging UK and hoping someone else knocks them out earlier is optimal
OMG,...I would pay money for that bracket right now.

We'll win the next 2 games. The Miami game will be our final chance to show that we can go the distance. We win that game (and look good doing it), I'll believe we can win the ACCT or even make the FF. We lose that game and I think we'll be an early out in both tournaments.
 
Excellent post, GSD. I always enjoy your analyses.

I agree that Miami seems to be the game I'm nost nervous about of the remainig 5. That said, they seem pretty inconsistent. Beat Duke in Durham by double digits, but also lost by 20 at home to GT. Just going on the law of averages (and hope), it seems the Heels are due for a couple games where teams don't shoot insanely good against us (like ND, Pitt, and Dook did). I don't think that's all entirely attributed to our (lack of) defense. I do wish Roy would get the message to put Tokoto in full "lock-down never leave your guy, don't go double, fight thru screens" mode, on their best shooter, like Tokoto should've been last night, right after Cook hit his first three. We make Cook miss a couple, and it doesn't even matter then, what Tyus Jones did late.

GTee - I admit I am a naive, sentimental, glass half full, optimistic guy, but I just put some weight on what type of character, and intelligence, and basketball skills and knowledge guys Roy develops. I don't think much of Roy's X's and O's skills, but I do believe (maybe wrongly) that Roy will have this team in the right mindset to play hard, smart, together down the stretch. I don't think this is a selfish team, and at least as of last night it doesn't seem like there are lingering attitude / confidence issues (with JP, Meeks, whoever). But who knows? Maybe the close losses and the turmoil around the program and the injuries have worn the team and coaches out. I don't think so. I think Roy will be good at rallying them, and helping them understand what they ARE capable of, if they work at it, get focused, and commit.

The first few minutes against Tech on Sat will tell a lot on where this team is headed rest of this season, I think. How they bounce back from the heartbreaker against Dook .
 
Originally posted by gunslingerdick:

The Miami game will be our final chance to show that we can go the distance. We win that game (and look good doing it), I'll believe we can win the ACCT or even make the FF. We lose that game and I think we'll be an early out in both tournaments.
jesus, wow.
 
Originally posted by gteeitup:

Originally posted by gunslingerdick:

The Miami game will be our final chance to show that we can go the distance. We win that game (and look good doing it), I'll believe we can win the ACCT or even make the FF. We lose that game and I think we'll be an early out in both tournaments.
jesus, wow.
Dude, do you have some thoughts on this or what?
 
Originally posted by gunslingerdick:
Originally posted by gteeitup:

Originally posted by gunslingerdick:

The Miami game will be our final chance to show that we can go the distance. We win that game (and look good doing it), I'll believe we can win the ACCT or even make the FF. We lose that game and I think we'll be an early out in both tournaments.
jesus, wow.
Dude, do you have some thoughts on this or what?
i posted above...not as confident in the team's ability to use the duke game to go on a run for the next 5-8 games...there is nothing this particular team has done to make me believe they can win the acc tourney or win four games in the ncaa's.
 
Originally posted by gteeitup:

Originally posted by gunslingerdick:
Originally posted by gteeitup:

Originally posted by gunslingerdick:

The Miami game will be our final chance to show that we can go the distance. We win that game (and look good doing it), I'll believe we can win the ACCT or even make the FF. We lose that game and I think we'll be an early out in both tournaments.
jesus, wow.
Dude, do you have some thoughts on this or what?
i posted above...not as confident in the team's ability to use the duke game to go on a run for the next 5-8 games...there is nothing this particular team has done to make me believe they can win the acc tourney or win four games in the ncaa's.
Ok. That's fair. But we have won 5 games in a row this season. So there is indeed evidence that we can. Also, our best player was a virtual no show and we took a good duke team, that was shooting lights out, behind the woodshed at their place for the better part of the second half and SHOULD HAVE won the game. So there's evidence that we can play with anyone, anywhere.

If you want to say we're an emotionally weak team, that's fine. Right now you couldn't argue but so much with that thought. We haven't been able to close teams out. But simply by law of averages, the breaks will go our way even if we can't get out of our own way at times. And just watching Roy's teams throughout the years, it's a likely conclusion to make that we'll play good ball down the stretch. More times than not, we do.

We have more losses than I thought we'd have at this point. I predicted 8 on the year and best case and reasonable scenario is that we end up with 10. That's not lightyears from where most of us thought this team would be. I just don't understand our fanbase melting down over what they feel has been a sorely disappointing season. If you expected a 30 win season and a national championship, that's on you. This team was never that good.

But next year, I'm on that train. I'm assuming we have everyone back that can come back. And while we'll still lack some perimeter shooting, we are a bonafide Final Four team. That's what programs do - or at least that's been the model our program has used for years - we build championship level teams. It's especially true for Roy's tenure. Every 3-4 years, he has a team that is a legit title contender. 05, 09, 12, and 16 looks like a title contending team.
 
Brice is the ONLY guy on this team that should even be at a 10-20% chance of leaving. Even then, he's likely very late first round at best. So leaving would be a big mistake, it seems to me.

I believe with everyone back we can be a legit contender, Brice will get more media attention, and would likely have his draft stock rise. I know this has been argued to death, that guys don't get better by staying in college, but i think Brice could use another year of discipline, and learning a bit more on the defensive end.
 
Originally posted by Heelicious:

Brice is the ONLY guy on this team that should even be at a 10-20% chance of leaving. Even then, he's likely very late first round at best. So leaving would be a big mistake, it seems to me.

I believe with everyone back we can be a legit contender, Brice will get more media attention, and would likely have his draft stock rise. I know this has been argued to death, that guys don't get better by staying in college, but i think Brice could use another year of discipline, and learning a bit more on the defensive end.
I agree that Brice is the most likely, but IMO, he's still not very likely to leave. He's a second round pick right now because of his poor decision making and his defensive deficiencies. Marcus potentially cost himself a lot of money. He was a late first rounder at the end of last year. He's a mid second rounder today. But he's not looking for a quick payday. Marcus is a smart kid that understands he'll be an all around better player because he stayed. He could make it back in the first round with a better showing next year.
 
Marcus could go Donald Williams for the rest of the year and make the first round. If he does, then I assume he would be gone. He would only be smart to leave since he has struggled to find gold this year
 
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