TarHeelIllustrated - THI Podcast: The Latest With UNC Commit Elliot Cadeau
AJ & David discuss what David recently saw from Elliot Cadeau, his conversation with him, and if he will reclass or not.
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THI Podcast: The Latest With UNC Commit Elliot Cadeau
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Awesome work as usual!
I know many peeps will be disappointed to hear he might stay in "24, but I think coming now would create overcrowding in the back court. I also believe Trimble and Dunn will now have the opportunity to earn increasing PT as the season progresses! As for '24, my goodness things sure do seem to be stacking up for some extended brilliance! I know I will have a hard time waiting for a PG that could be described as a combo of Easy Ed and Butter! Hubs has a very good team now and with some growth on the staff and buy in from the troops, we could be in for a really fun (and wild at times) ride!
Sure is a GDTBATH!
I know many peeps will be disappointed to hear he might stay in "24, but I think coming now would create overcrowding in the back court. I also believe Trimble and Dunn will now have the opportunity to earn increasing PT as the season progresses! As for '24, my goodness things sure do seem to be stacking up for some extended brilliance! I know I will have a hard time waiting for a PG that could be described as a combo of Easy Ed and Butter! Hubs has a very good team now and with some growth on the staff and buy in from the troops, we could be in for a really fun (and wild at times) ride!
Sure is a GDTBATH!
It is EXTREMELY important that the depth front court players all get extensive experience this season leading into next.
To have a hungry and seasoned Washington, Withers, Ingram and High plus Brown and possibly Stephenson to pair with NBA talent on the perimeter in the 2024-25 season! Wow!
I am starting to feel Cadeau will not happen this season, so I hope Wilcher and Trimble both get some run at pg and push Davis to the off guard position some.
stop, you've got me tingling all over. I can't even imagine that.
Going from 80% sure he's coming to 65% that he isn't is a pretty hard turn.
The arguments that he would come still seem as strong as ever - he's old for his class and wants to get to the NBA. Which makes me wonder why he wouldn't come.
Wanting to play with Ian Jackson - a notion that some here insisted wasn't a thing - shouldn't be an issue. After all, he could come early and still play with Ian simply by staying for his soph year. I'm guessing no one here would object to him not being OAD.
The arguments that he would come still seem as strong as ever - he's old for his class and wants to get to the NBA. Which makes me wonder why he wouldn't come.
Wanting to play with Ian Jackson - a notion that some here insisted wasn't a thing - shouldn't be an issue. After all, he could come early and still play with Ian simply by staying for his soph year. I'm guessing no one here would object to him not being OAD.
If Cadeau doesn’t come in 23 then Hubert did the entire program a disservice by not recruiting a true lead guard from the portal. We’ve seen RJ for 3 years now and year 4 won’t be any different. RJ is a great player but he’s a SG in a PG’s body.
Gotta milk this story for as many clicks as possible.
Nothing has changed with Elliot. He still has all his classes completed should he want to announce a reclass. He still isn't going to announce until after Peach Jam (no matter how many so-called journalists keep pressing him for an answer they know he can not give them.) Hubert Davis still hasn't made any effort to fill the glaring need for a true point guard on the roster. Consensus is still that Cadeau would be wasting a year if he chose to be a 19 year old high school basketball player beating up on 16/17 year olds.
Nothing has changed with Elliot. He still has all his classes completed should he want to announce a reclass. He still isn't going to announce until after Peach Jam (no matter how many so-called journalists keep pressing him for an answer they know he can not give them.) Hubert Davis still hasn't made any effort to fill the glaring need for a true point guard on the roster. Consensus is still that Cadeau would be wasting a year if he chose to be a 19 year old high school basketball player beating up on 16/17 year olds.
You think coming now would create overcrowding in the back court? Wouldn’t All of those guards be here the following year as well? 2024 would be too crowded with him and Jackson in addition to everyone else returning.
When we first started talking about Cadeau, back when we all knew he was committing to UNC but I don't think he had when we started talking about the reclass option, I said some things I would like to revisit, opinion I still hold. Cadeau is fantastic and the day he comes to UNC he improves our talent, he makes us better. I do think Cadeau will reclass and I do think his doing so makes us a harder team to beat next season. Thing is, I am not as sure his reclassing is best for the program, specifically the connectivity of 1 team to another team, in other words the on going build of the program. I doubt many, if any, maybe the only guy that understands this may be the man I see in the mirror and I am OK with that.
This is what I am looking at, I see Seth and Wilcher, 2 guys I feel very good about playing the point for us, in large part due to the fact I do not like RJ as a PG for us, sorry, I just don't. Of the 2, I admit it, I like Seth more at the point than Wilcher, Seth has every tool you want in a PG outside of today being a solid jump shooter. You have to realize, the PG spot ALL LAST SEASON was played by 2 guys, RJ and Caleb, not Seth. We had 2 combo guards plying the point and the only PG we had came in at the 2 and a few times at the 3, why, I don't know, bad decision in any event. Not going to take up the case for Seth to play the point any more in THIS REPLY because I want to make another point.
I don't think Cadeau plays more than 1 season of college ball, you can discuss his size all ya want, the kid is magic with the ball, he will be a 1 and done. Cadeau is our starting PG day 1 on campus and is VERY likely the ONLY player in the country that could join our team next season and force RJ to the 2, Cadeau does that day 1. If you are going to keep Seth and Demarco you have to figure out a way to get them PT, but then there is Wilcher that as well needs big minutes. I don't want to see either of those leave the program and I am a bit in awe that BOTH those guys so far have not jumped to the portal, even when it looked like a dead bang certainty that Cadeau was reclassing, says to me that is a couple guys that REALLY want to be at UNC because they could both leave and find a team to start for tomorrow. Cadeau comes in as a reclass, both those guys get whacked in PT but what do BOTH those guys need to be really solid, if not big time college players, playing time! So their development gets stunted and what happens then when Cadeau does leave after his one season, we have a couple guys that can play the point but have not got the minutes to develop so they are not as ready. You even have the RJ covid season option, yeah, like I want to see RJ as our PG again for 2 more seasons, not me! I think Cadeau not reclassing allows those guys to get those court minutes, 1 has 3 seasons left and the other has 2, I want both to stay and I think developing players are more important than freshmen and most of the time more important than portal guys. I want us to get back to having a core of guys that stays with us, I don't like having to replace so many guys every season, let duke and Ky have those problems, I like connectivity between teams. You have that connectivity when guys are developing, are getting a chance to play at the position that fits their game but they have to play to develop.
Said it before, if Cadeau does not reclass, it would be an early Christmas to see RJ moving to the 2 anyway and either Seth or Wilcher run the point, let RJ do what RJ does best, create his own shot. I am in no way expecting my Christmas present to come early or at all for that matter next season, but I dare to dream.
This is what I am looking at, I see Seth and Wilcher, 2 guys I feel very good about playing the point for us, in large part due to the fact I do not like RJ as a PG for us, sorry, I just don't. Of the 2, I admit it, I like Seth more at the point than Wilcher, Seth has every tool you want in a PG outside of today being a solid jump shooter. You have to realize, the PG spot ALL LAST SEASON was played by 2 guys, RJ and Caleb, not Seth. We had 2 combo guards plying the point and the only PG we had came in at the 2 and a few times at the 3, why, I don't know, bad decision in any event. Not going to take up the case for Seth to play the point any more in THIS REPLY because I want to make another point.
I don't think Cadeau plays more than 1 season of college ball, you can discuss his size all ya want, the kid is magic with the ball, he will be a 1 and done. Cadeau is our starting PG day 1 on campus and is VERY likely the ONLY player in the country that could join our team next season and force RJ to the 2, Cadeau does that day 1. If you are going to keep Seth and Demarco you have to figure out a way to get them PT, but then there is Wilcher that as well needs big minutes. I don't want to see either of those leave the program and I am a bit in awe that BOTH those guys so far have not jumped to the portal, even when it looked like a dead bang certainty that Cadeau was reclassing, says to me that is a couple guys that REALLY want to be at UNC because they could both leave and find a team to start for tomorrow. Cadeau comes in as a reclass, both those guys get whacked in PT but what do BOTH those guys need to be really solid, if not big time college players, playing time! So their development gets stunted and what happens then when Cadeau does leave after his one season, we have a couple guys that can play the point but have not got the minutes to develop so they are not as ready. You even have the RJ covid season option, yeah, like I want to see RJ as our PG again for 2 more seasons, not me! I think Cadeau not reclassing allows those guys to get those court minutes, 1 has 3 seasons left and the other has 2, I want both to stay and I think developing players are more important than freshmen and most of the time more important than portal guys. I want us to get back to having a core of guys that stays with us, I don't like having to replace so many guys every season, let duke and Ky have those problems, I like connectivity between teams. You have that connectivity when guys are developing, are getting a chance to play at the position that fits their game but they have to play to develop.
Said it before, if Cadeau does not reclass, it would be an early Christmas to see RJ moving to the 2 anyway and either Seth or Wilcher run the point, let RJ do what RJ does best, create his own shot. I am in no way expecting my Christmas present to come early or at all for that matter next season, but I dare to dream.
So you want Trimble and Witcher getting playing time this year, then back to the bench when Jackson and Cadeau arrive in 24?
Sign me up for Cadeau asap. This is UNC and I’m tired of losing. It’s up to HD to find playing time for those who deserve it
Absurd comment. We haven't done a pod on him, and since David watched him play last week AND spoke with him, we did the pod. We would have done it last week, but I was out of town taking a vacation in which I got one full day off.
I want them to get a season of solid PT so they can regain their confidence or not lose it in the case of Wilcher. You already know RJ starts at point if Cadeau does not come, I don't like it but you know that is going to happen. Wilcher can move to the 2 and get great minutes if RJ is at the point and that move Seth to the primary back up at point, so both Seth and Wilcher get solid minutes as primary back ups at the 1 and 2. There is a lot more shifting of roles if Cadeau comes in now.
I do understand the push back to what I am saying, most of it comes from a lack of belief in Seth as a PG, where as I could from the opposite end of that, I love the kid as a PG. I feel the kid has every tool I want to see in a PG with the lone exception of a solid confident jump shot that drops in. Now of course, that is not a small thing, it is a big problem if it can not be corrected but I think it can be corrected because I saw those shots dropping prior to college, he is a better shooter than you saw last season but he ended the season with a dramatic loss of confidence, the whole team did actually.
Back court without Cadeau. Just spitballing.
| Player | @ PG | @ SG | @ SF |
|---|---|---|---|
| RJ | 30 | -- | -- |
| Ryan | -- | 20 | 10 |
| Seth | 10 | -- | -- |
| Wilcher | -- | 15 | -- |
| Wojcik | -- | 5 | 10 |
| Dunn | -- | -- | -- |
I've got that with Seth backing up at point. But would we be better off giving Wilcher or Wojcik those minutes?
I have Dunn getting no minutes - and that's without Cadeau! But of course he could beat out Wilcher or Wojcik for some minutes.
I have Ingram playing 20 at SF and another 10 at PF. Which means for 20 minutes of the game, we are playing some form of small ball with Ryan, Wojcik and maybe Wilcher or Dunn seeing duty at SF.
What about the back court with Cadeau? If we assume Cadeau plays 30 minutes, where do those minutes come from? Do we play even more small ball?
What I'd like to know from our insiders and gurus is what Hubert is saying to Cadeau.
Is Hubert encouraging him to come, or is he encouraging him to stay in the 2024 class? Or is he being hands off and letting Cadeau and his family call the shots?
Anybody know?
Without Cadeau, we have a sweet team that should play a strong, tight game. With Cadeau, we add a future NBA guy. Possibly our only NBA guy, although there are a couple with a chance to get there.
Which is to say that with Cadeau we have more talent. But will that translate into a better team?
And that's before we get to what happens the following year if Cadeau is OAD, as most seem to expect.
Is Hubert encouraging him to come, or is he encouraging him to stay in the 2024 class? Or is he being hands off and letting Cadeau and his family call the shots?
Anybody know?
Without Cadeau, we have a sweet team that should play a strong, tight game. With Cadeau, we add a future NBA guy. Possibly our only NBA guy, although there are a couple with a chance to get there.
Which is to say that with Cadeau we have more talent. But will that translate into a better team?
And that's before we get to what happens the following year if Cadeau is OAD, as most seem to expect.
Without Cadeau, we have no true point guard on the roster.
Without Cadeau (or a transfer PG) we are one high ankle sprain to RJ Davis away from a wrecked season, a coaching change, and losing our 2024 commits.
Yet we've made no effort to pursue any transfer PGs. Almost like the staff expects Cadeau to fill that need.
Without Cadeau (or a transfer PG) we are one high ankle sprain to RJ Davis away from a wrecked season, a coaching change, and losing our 2024 commits.
Yet we've made no effort to pursue any transfer PGs. Almost like the staff expects Cadeau to fill that need.
Obviously losing RJ would be a big hit. But I think we could still be a good team. Not as good, but good. I like this rebuild that much.
It would be interesting to see who steps into the PG role. Seth (suspect scoring)? Wilcher (I think he's a SG, but some like him at point)? D'Marco? Ryan? Wojcik?
I'm inclined to go with Seth. We should have enough scoring at all the other positions. But I'm open to suggestions. Someone would have to back up Seth, so we would be able to test out all the other options.
Who's your choice?
Teams would just back off Seth and clog the lane.
My choice is Cadeau. And since Hubert is making no effort to recruit any true point guards from the portal, it certainly adds fuel to fire that Cadeau is coming.
A few weeks ago this struck me as near-proof that Cadeau was coming. But I'm not as sure as I was.
First, unlike so many here who are piling on RJ, I think he's OK at point. I'm really looking forward to seeing him handle that role on a Caleb-less squad.
To me it's pretty clear that what RJ needs around him is reliable scorers who can get open.
He had that 2 years ago and we ended up pretty darn good.
He didn't have that last year and we sucked. Well, maybe sucked is too harsh. Good enough to make the NIT, after all. Quick: who could RJ get the ball to who could be counted on to score? Yeah, that's a trick question. Because it has 2 parts. Armando could score, but since hardly anyone else could, he got doubled and it was very hard to get him the ball.
RJ should be surrounded by good scoring this year again. So maybe Hubert simply wasn't too worried about getting another PG. Instead, he focused on scorers, and got them. We hope.
Nor did Hubert go after a backup PG, as far as I know. Which suggests that he's not only OK with RJ but OK with Seth, as well.
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That assumes Seth doesn't improve.
Given PT, I expect Seth to get quite good. Enough scoring to keep them honest, decent ball handling and distribution - which should be easier with more scorers on the floor this year - and, of course, elite defense.
And if Seth doesn't pan out, we have other options.
Next man up at PG is currently walk-on Lebo, or Dunn who was the emergency PG his freshman year after Ant Harris was ineligible. Neither are good options.
But again, Cadeau has already done all the classwork necessary to reclassify. It seems highly unlikely he's going to waste a precious year of his life as a 19 year old beating up on 16/17 year old high school kids, stagnating his development in the process. I'd be beyond shocked if Cadeau is playing high school basketball next fall.
RJ is fine at point and I would bet Seth will be too. Having a glut of talent is a pretty good problem to have and I can't wait to see how our staff handles it! The effectiveness of the peeps around him will always impact a PG! If for example one doesn't trust one's mate to make decisions with the ball and one cannot trust that the ball will either return or that anybody else you throw it to will score; a PG becomes either hesitant or a hero. If you them surround that PG with peeps who do make good decisions and peeps can score reliably, the PG makes more timely passes. RJ, Seth, or Cadeau will thrive with the current makeup or our team! How to allocate minutes will be an interesting experiment to watch!
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