Tom Izzo to retire?
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Outside the Lines also has obtained never-before-publicized reports of sexual or violent incidents involving members of Izzo's storied basketball program, including one report made against a former undergraduate student-assistant coach who was allowed to continue coaching after he had been criminally charged for punching a female MSU student in the face at a bar in 2010. A few months later, after the Spartans qualified for the 2010 Final Four, the same assistant coach was accused of sexually assaulting a different female student.
Outside the Lines also has obtained never-before-publicized reports of sexual or violent incidents involving members of Izzo's storied basketball program, including one report made against a former undergraduate student-assistant coach who was allowed to continue coaching after he had been criminally charged for punching a female MSU student in the face at a bar in 2010. A few months later, after the Spartans qualified for the 2010 Final Four, the same assistant coach was accused of sexually assaulting a different female student.
Political correctness. It's a bad look for MSU with everything that went on in the gymnastics program.
The temperature at MSU right now is insane. People want blood. He won't get fired but many saying he's being pressured to retire.
You don't think the assistant coach should've been fired, or at the very least disciplined? You don't think you could have been fired for the same incidents? Izzo has direct control over his assistants' job status. And yes, universities generally don't want don't want rapists and abusers in high profile positions.
Izzo allowed the coach to stay on staff and with the climate at MSU right now, that’s not gonna fly.
Yes, I think he should've been disciplined. And I would expect that to come from the judicial system as he was formally charged for it.
Yes, I imagine I certainly could have been fired from my job if I had the same incidents.
Which one of those are you calling Izzo? Because I know you're not insinuating that a student-assistant is a "high profile position".
Yeah, I have yet to see Izzo having a role in all this. I know people want blood, but don't take it from the innocent.
With that being said, if he did knew, then yes he should resign.
With that being said, if he did knew, then yes he should resign.
For what it's worth at the time the grad assistant was accused he wasn't in the country he was playing European bball. If you look him up you will see I believe these sexual assault allegations are starting to turn into a witch hunt. Shame to because real victims are gonna be caught in the cross fire
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Both of those, and he probably shouldn't have weighed in publicly on the gymnastics / internal MSU stuff a while back. Not the wisest move with something this volatile. Tom obviously should be judged on his own program but the public and/or media sometimes paints with a broad brush.
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I'm talking about discipline from your employer.
The article was unclear, I thought it was a regular assistant coach. Anyway, if Izzo lets someone who has committed those crimes stay involved in the program he bears responsibility for the blowback. Reports are also coming out now that players got away with sexual assault too.
Rip msu athletics. Telling u right now they will not field a fb or bball team next season. Child endangerment, conspiracy, obstruction of justice. People are going to jail.
Really hope Izzo is found to have no part in any of this. He's one of the "good guys" far as I can tell.
We are in an environment where even a hint of impropriety will be fatal. While I agree that it is a situation that should have been addressed decades ago, we are in the midst of a witch hunt. We are enduring a knee jerk reaction to a bad situation. As a result, some good guys are going to suffer.
Just my personal opinion, but I don't see Tom as being the kind of man who would in any way condone sexual misconduct. No way, no shape, no how.
Hmmmm in 2010 NCAA new president mark Emmert us notified about sexual abuse in msu athletics. Instead of pursuing that the NCAA reopens investigation into UNC athletics that lasted 7 yrs.... Did irreparable damage, and caused a lot of gray hair time for this man to go
Take the issue st the university level out of it. There’s no doubt discipline and continued fall out are imminent. However, as said above, the fact that it’s coming to light that the NCAA was notified about this stuff yet chose to defer to the schools in this case is alarming. Emmert can’t be blamed for what happens at the schools but the awful handling of these situations at the NCAA level is a recurring theme. His head should roll as well.
Just another story in the continuing ugly saga of college athletics. Too much money, coaches have to do anything to win to get their share. In doing so, they let people on campus that have no business on a college campus just so they can win. The overall campus is not safe. Izzo knew and should not be allowed to retire, he should be fired. All of the authorities should be fired including anyone involved in the athletic department and campus police department. The AD and President got off easy by resigning. What cowards.
Again perception and reality can be 2 different things we should know better than to leap at the first thing ESPN's outside the line says after all they we're dead wrong about us. We know they don't vet all sources and don't investigate all leads just assume and paint. Still waiting on them to say they were wrong about us
Right now they are all allegations. Alleged victims need to make a case and take it to court if they were violated. I am so tired of ESPN and similar media enterprises going into this head hunter mode on anything they can to stir up the mob of internet SJW's and judgmental hypocrites with. I am sure at least one of the cases/incidents will probably show something bad.
I also can see the human side of a coach recruiting a player and not wanting to give up on him even if the player did something wrong. Reality of life is if they just kick the player to the curb and take the media narrative high road that the likelihood of the player "downward spiraling" out of control. You don't just pull the rug out on the whole support system if you are truly trying to better and improve the player as a functioning member of society. Whether he committed a crime or not. And if a serious crime was committed in any of the cases?..... Tossing him in prison and cutting off all contact will likely contribute to that young man ending right back in prison again after getting out.
These types of stories are always extremely nuanced and take time to develop. But too many in the public can't be patient for facts to come out and media like ESPN manipulates that fact about the public every time. Unless it doesn't fit into their public political ideals.
I also can see the human side of a coach recruiting a player and not wanting to give up on him even if the player did something wrong. Reality of life is if they just kick the player to the curb and take the media narrative high road that the likelihood of the player "downward spiraling" out of control. You don't just pull the rug out on the whole support system if you are truly trying to better and improve the player as a functioning member of society. Whether he committed a crime or not. And if a serious crime was committed in any of the cases?..... Tossing him in prison and cutting off all contact will likely contribute to that young man ending right back in prison again after getting out.
These types of stories are always extremely nuanced and take time to develop. But too many in the public can't be patient for facts to come out and media like ESPN manipulates that fact about the public every time. Unless it doesn't fit into their public political ideals.
I get it, I know the news outlets didn't write the entire story about UNC. Just after Penn State and Baylor, it is fairly obvious major college sports is out of control. The cover ups to protect sports and revenues is just going to continue.
I agree, but please don't hold your breath waiting on an apology. YOU WILL DIE. lol
First thing I thought of also. You waste millions of dollars on the UNC case yet you ignore freaking sexual abuse. Emmert gotta go.
That's the one thing for sure: Emmett needs to go yesterday.
Not a good term to throw around unless you want people to think you are a right-wing lemming and probably a racist.
Don''t give a sh!t what you think. People that just thrive on every bad thing that happens or outrage are terrible.
I'd be careful to throw around the term racist when the discussion isn't about race unless you want people to think you are a left-wing lemming and probably a race baiter.
Meanwhile, at a private school down the road, a player sexually assaults two woman. No report filed (as required by Federal law). Head school officials and head basketball coach are informed, and keep it quite for the rest of that season. After 10 months, ( and the season in the tank), said player is kicked off the team. Where's otl on that? Can anyone guess whom I'm speaking of?
Did MSU just not have an employee get 40-175 years in prison for inappropriately touching girls as young as 6 years old? over 150 girls. Yet some are saying the media is head hunting at MSU? wtf? they lost ALL of their benefit of the doubt after taking ZERO action on this employee, still letting him work during the investigation.
No but they will try and just like the Penn State saga get sued and have to Aquinas to the power of supreme court
