Up 7 with s fast break opportunity and we turn it over... They hit a three. Convert there who knows...
turning point....
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I'll say it but Britt shooting two dumb shots then turning it over was the turning point. He shouldn't have been playing when he was in. Berry is head and shoulders better than Britt
Did you dis on Britt the other day too? He wasn't the only one making bad shots and at least he did hits his freethrows.
i don't know what the turning point was, but i do know not hitting free throws and not securing rebounds always hurts.
Roy putting in Nate Britt at the 7 minute mark totally changed the game. He took a terrible shot, got beat on a back door cut for a layup and then turned it over for a layup. He is the worst player on the team that plays and as soon as Roy put him in the game I was saying NOOOOOOOOOO. You don t put him in when he hasn't played the whole second half with 7 minutes to go in a 2 point game. Roy did the sane thing at Duke!.. Just a awful move by Roy.
Im generally fine with not calling timeouts but everyone knew there was going to be that little stretch where unc took dumb shots committed bad turnovers. Why not call a timeout and settle the team down a bit once the run starts and make sure everyone knows what an acceptible shot is.
The run occured while Brice sat on the bench with his 4th foul. We had a 3 point lead when he went out and 4 minutes later we are down 5. A couple of his fouls were silly. If he can eliminate that crap, then he's in the game and maybe the run doesn't happen?
But this is who we were this year... mental lapses by the team (not just one guy) killed us in basically every loss, except Pitt who couldn't miss.
But this is who we were this year... mental lapses by the team (not just one guy) killed us in basically every loss, except Pitt who couldn't miss.
I probably did talk bad about him. Who else did you see taking bad shots tonight and looking completely lost out there. I though Roy was on the right track in the first ncaa game when he got 1 minute of play. Berry is just way better
Second turning point: Hicks' dumb hip check foul 30 feet from the basket with, what, 50 seconds left? They make both. Then he misses both at the other end. Terrible
THAT is when I said "ball game." I'm not blaming the loss on Hicks (it's never one guy's fault when a team loses), but that is when I thought "they aren't going to overcome this now."
That foul is one that makes you wanna punch your dog. Sometimes I wonder if these games are on tape delay because Bonner just got done saying UNC DOESNT HAVE TO FOUL. Then came the hip check
It was such a typical "this year's team" move. Claw back into it with two clutch baskets, then have a mystifyingly dumb brain lapse that kills off all momentum and any chance of a win.
My thoughts exactly. Up 60-56 they hit a three then a two, 61-60. THAT was when the time out
needed to be called! Roy waited two more possessions, 65-60, never got the lead back!
Obviously there is no guarantee that calling a time out will reverse the tide, if so coaching
would be a lot easier! But not calling one when things start going badly...why not use one???
Yea. That really screwed us up. We got within 1, got a 2-for-1.... All we needed was a stop and a rebound and I think we have a really good chance of a walk off winner.
But that's Hicks. He's an extremely foul prone player and in a situation where we couldn't afford a foul, we fouled on a hedge when Wisconsin's ball handler was going horizontal and in a non threatening position.
Turning point was the refs putting Brice on the bench with 4 fouls on a garbage call. As someone who was sitting 11 rows up I can tell you we got screwed on several calls
Indeed we did, sir. Indeed we did.
But that notwithstanding, check my stat post for the crucial turning point.
"Turning point" aside, this loss is due to lousy coaching. Roy really stunk it up tonight and if I could I would tell it to him to his face.
That was the "turning point" in the game, right there!
On another note, JP and Brice got beat all night long by their man, and nobody could stay in front of Dekker who hit layup after layup all game long....What both guys gave us on offense quickly disappeared when they played defense.....On a positive note, I thought Joel James did a very good job guarding Kaminsky last night when he was in the game....Also thought, that both Berry and Jackson were on the money last night, and played about as well as they've played all year long......And agree that the officiating was pretty pathetic, last night!
When you are guarding a man, you are suppose to look at his torso and not the ball or head of the opponent....Where the torso goes will tell you which way he's going, yet our players don't seem to know how to properly play man to man as they are constantly beat off the dribble, and are constantly caught flat-footed, especially Brice, JP and Hicks....Really head scratching considering that both JP and Brice are Juniors, and still don't appear to know how to properly guard an opponent when playing man-to-man?
Oh well, we at least went further this year than we did last couple of seasons, and this is where I thought the season would end when I first filled out my brackets, but I'm still pissed that we didn't close the deal in those final 7 minutes....Turned to a couple of buddies when we were up by 5 points, and told them to remember how we've played all year long at the end games, and told them to expect us to fold in the final minutes...They both told me too shut up about that, but both agreed that I was right about the collapse after the game unfortunately!.....Afterall, it's been that way all season long for this team!.....They just have problems closing teams out, and I don't really know if it's going to get better or not because we are a Junior dominated team that you would think should know by now how to win the close games....
l got plenty of confidence in Britt..but last night he was not needed and the stretch that he was in ultimately cost us..along with the foul on hicks,missed ft's,JP getting beat all night,etc...in other words,it was not just one thing that did us in!!
Yes, that was the turning point. However, the real turning point was on that fast break when Tokoto drove to the basket and was fouled big time with no call and the ball ended up going out of bounds off Tokoto. If the correct call is made and the refs should be fired for swallowing that whistle on that call, UNC is up 8 or 9 and has all the momentum.
I could also point out the turning point may have been when Hicks inadvertently hit Kaminsky in the face, recovered the ball, dunked the ball. After that, refs called everything on UNC including a bullcrap 4th foul on Brice.
It should be also pointed out on Hicks hip check foul, Kaminsky set not 1, but 2 illegal screens. He set at least a dozen all night. Hillarious, considering how many times Brice was called for those this year.
UNC was the better team last night, I have no doubt, but the NCAA and its officiating was not going to allow UNC in the elite 8. After the correspondence released regarding the Penn State and USC investigations, it is time to shut down those corrupt POS.
Officiating was sketchy at best, but the turning point to me felt like the back to back ridiculously quick 18 footers that Britt took. When you sense a team is starting to roll, the last thing you do is take a bad jumper without even exploring what has worked all night long (Jackson). And man oh man if JP could just hit a jumper, he'd be just about unguardable.
I think Roy had a great over-all game plan and coached well. I do wish that he had called a timeout earlier after Wisc went on their run. I think that would have stopped their run faster. We came out of the timeout and played much better but we were down 5 not one. The Britt substitution didn't work but Britt played great against Ark; so I how can we fault Roy for that. I don't like to blame the refs on games unless we are playing Duke. But I think that we got bad calls from the start. It seemed that they wanted to see a Wisc. - Az Final 8 game.
First let me say, I'm excited to participate on this board.
Secondly, I'm happy with how far we got. We lost to Wisconsin. Better team. Better coached. They were a 1 and we were a 4. Not too bad of a year and everybody comes back (whether that's good or bad can be debated).
Lastly, and I'm not personally attacking you SeaHawk, but I'm so tired of you people whining about the officiating. Especially the play on Tokoto's fast break. Do any of you even know the rules or do you just like to whine?
I'll keep this as simple as I can. Gasser established legal guarding position. If you don't know what that is, then look it up. Once you have established legal guarding position you can move either laterally or BACKWARDS. That is all Gasser did. He moved backwards and Tokoto ran right into him and lost control of the ball. NO official is going to bail out a limited offensive player like Tokoto in that situation. Not one. The only player that would get the call there would be a "star" player and if they did, it would be the wrong call.
It's Tokoto's fault for not being skilled enough to go around him or get the ball to somebody that could do something with the ball. I'm still trying to figure out how going right at the guy was his best move. As you can see it didn't turn out well at all. If we convert there and go up 9, who knows how the game turns out. We might have lost, but the chances of a win would have gone up dramatically.
Go Heels!!!!!!!!!!!!!..................2015-2016
Secondly, I'm happy with how far we got. We lost to Wisconsin. Better team. Better coached. They were a 1 and we were a 4. Not too bad of a year and everybody comes back (whether that's good or bad can be debated).
Lastly, and I'm not personally attacking you SeaHawk, but I'm so tired of you people whining about the officiating. Especially the play on Tokoto's fast break. Do any of you even know the rules or do you just like to whine?
I'll keep this as simple as I can. Gasser established legal guarding position. If you don't know what that is, then look it up. Once you have established legal guarding position you can move either laterally or BACKWARDS. That is all Gasser did. He moved backwards and Tokoto ran right into him and lost control of the ball. NO official is going to bail out a limited offensive player like Tokoto in that situation. Not one. The only player that would get the call there would be a "star" player and if they did, it would be the wrong call.
It's Tokoto's fault for not being skilled enough to go around him or get the ball to somebody that could do something with the ball. I'm still trying to figure out how going right at the guy was his best move. As you can see it didn't turn out well at all. If we convert there and go up 9, who knows how the game turns out. We might have lost, but the chances of a win would have gone up dramatically.
Go Heels!!!!!!!!!!!!!..................2015-2016
Let's address Brice's 4th foul.
Did you watch the play? Watch it again. Watch his legs and hips. While his arms are straight up in the air, he is NOT allowed to put his hips, waist, legs, backside or anything like that into the opposing player. Players do it all the time and it gets called all the time.
That was a good call. Didn't go our way, but was a good call.
My only opinion on the Britt substitution is that I don't care how well he played against Arkansas. A performance like that from him is the exception. Providing little to nothing is the rule with him. It doesn't take a genius to see that Berry is already a better player and that his ceiling is way higher than Britt's. When Berry came out and Britt went in, I was worried that it was the beginning of the end. I'm excited to see Berry progress. He seems to have a little attitude and edge to him. Something this team hasn't had in a LONG time!
Plenty of things one can point to, but the thirty second span of Nate Britts mistakes really turned the momentum fully to Wisconson. Some on here defend Nate. He is a decent player. Good kid. Can hit an open jumper. But I am not sure I have ever seen him make a layup in traffic. In fact he bricked an attempt last night. Opposing coaches start drooling when they see him on the floor because of his lack of lateral quickness. That these coaches don't just clear out and let folks take him to the basket one on one more than they do just proves that these coaches aren't necessarily the geniuses so many make them out to be. Yea, Nate hit a couple shots against Arky. But overall his skill level is probably SoCon. Good kid. But maybe not the level of player that should be a contributor at a program like UNC.
1. I thought UNC was the better team last night.Originally posted by BWill23:
First let me say, I'm excited to participate on this board.
Secondly, I'm happy with how far we got. We lost to Wisconsin. Better team. Better coached. They were a 1 and we were a 4. Not too bad of a year and everybody comes back (whether that's good or bad can be debated).
Lastly, and I'm not personally attacking you SeaHawk, but I'm so tired of you people whining about the officiating. Especially the play on Tokoto's fast break. Do any of you even know the rules or do you just like to whine?
I'll keep this as simple as I can. Gasser established legal guarding position. If you don't know what that is, then look it up. Once you have established legal guarding position you can move either laterally or BACKWARDS. That is all Gasser did. He moved backwards and Tokoto ran right into him and lost control of the ball. NO official is going to bail out a limited offensive player like Tokoto in that situation. Not one. The only player that would get the call there would be a "star" player and if they did, it would be the wrong call.
It's Tokoto's fault for not being skilled enough to go around him or get the ball to somebody that could do something with the ball. I'm still trying to figure out how going right at the guy was his best move. As you can see it didn't turn out well at all. If we convert there and go up 9, who knows how the game turns out. We might have lost, but the chances of a win would have gone up dramatically.
Go Heels!!!!!!!!!!!!!..................2015-2016
2. Meeks had the same position in the first half and it was a foul. I don't care if you legal guarding position or not, the defenders arms were bent into Tokoto and clearly fouled him. That was a horrible call, not ifs or buts about it. He was mugged, especially given the ticky tack calls during the game. And, yes officials bail out players all the time. I will complain about the officiating all I want, its not whining, they were terrible. Any other profession besides may weathermen, would be fired over their performance. They are incompetent. I just want consistency. Call it evenly both ways, and that did not happen last night.
Settle down. You clearly have no understanding of the rules or how to officiate a game. NO player that does what Tokoto did last night gets bailed out unless they are a "star" player. Even then it doesn't happen all the time. That was a bone headed play by Tokoto and the ref wasn't going to bail him out. Why not just make a move and go past Gasser instead of right into him? Is it because he is limited offensively?Originally posted by SeaHawk98:
1. I thought UNC was the better team last night.Originally posted by BWill23:
First let me say, I'm excited to participate on this board.
Secondly, I'm happy with how far we got. We lost to Wisconsin. Better team. Better coached. They were a 1 and we were a 4. Not too bad of a year and everybody comes back (whether that's good or bad can be debated).
Lastly, and I'm not personally attacking you SeaHawk, but I'm so tired of you people whining about the officiating. Especially the play on Tokoto's fast break. Do any of you even know the rules or do you just like to whine?
I'll keep this as simple as I can. Gasser established legal guarding position. If you don't know what that is, then look it up. Once you have established legal guarding position you can move either laterally or BACKWARDS. That is all Gasser did. He moved backwards and Tokoto ran right into him and lost control of the ball. NO official is going to bail out a limited offensive player like Tokoto in that situation. Not one. The only player that would get the call there would be a "star" player and if they did, it would be the wrong call.
It's Tokoto's fault for not being skilled enough to go around him or get the ball to somebody that could do something with the ball. I'm still trying to figure out how going right at the guy was his best move. As you can see it didn't turn out well at all. If we convert there and go up 9, who knows how the game turns out. We might have lost, but the chances of a win would have gone up dramatically.
Go Heels!!!!!!!!!!!!!..................2015-2016
2. Meeks had the same position in the first half and it was a foul. I don't care if you legal guarding position or not, the defenders arms were bent into Tokoto and clearly fouled him. That was a horrible call, not ifs or buts about it. He was mugged, especially given the ticky tack calls during the game. And, yes officials bail out players all the time. I will complain about the officiating all I want, its not whining, they were terrible. Any other profession besides may weathermen, would be fired over their performance. They are incompetent. I just want consistency. Call it evenly both ways, and that did not happen last night.
I can't even argue about the Meeks foul because I don't remember what the play was.
You might not care about legal guarding position but the rule book and good officials do. I swear every time we lose we have many people claiming the officials are bad blah blah blah blah. Have you ever reffed a game before? A game that actually meant something? Or have you just critiqued from the stands and while watching your TV WHERE THE BEST VIEWS ARE?
We are OK if we score on that trip and it kills there MO but you can pick 10 plays that would have made that one not so bad but at that point that was the straw that broke the camels back!
James did good on Kaminsky but I was really surprised how effective Meeks was when guarding him. He does not have the handles that I thought he would.
Dekker on the other hand is always moving and dribble penetration did us in. Made open lanes for cutting and got guys out of position for rebounding.
I think that is the biggest area to work on for next year. The defensive rebounding woes in due to that in large part.
Dekker on the other hand is always moving and dribble penetration did us in. Made open lanes for cutting and got guys out of position for rebounding.
I think that is the biggest area to work on for next year. The defensive rebounding woes in due to that in large part.
last night was where I thought this team would reach their ceiling..anything after that would have been a blessing..that's why I wanted to win that acc championship game so so bad..would've been real satisfied with that along with beating dook at least once!!
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