U.S. and Worldwide Abortion Counter
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Wow! Sad. I wonder how many are still done underground? How many are found in trash cans and abandoned? I think we need to find a way to prevent unwanted children. Making this illegal won't stop it, unfortunately. The root of the problem needs to be addressed first.
That's interesting. I wouldn't have thought that the worldwide number for this year would be as high as it is.
That's going to be hard to address. I think the root cause comes from the individual and family level. Those are things that are hard to address on a macro level. Teen pregnancy is falling in the US, so I think that is a good sign.
In the USA alone, we average well over a million per year and over 3,000 per day. But not a word about these lives mattering. If someone shoots a pregnant woman and kills her and her baby, he/she is usually charged with two counts of murder. If the mother decides to abort the baby, no harm, no foul, even if it's near the very end of her pregnancy. It's a sad statement on society everywhere.
In your opinion, what will work though? Nothing so far has stopped it. I am a huge advocate for having the women KNOW beforehand what they are actually doing because a friend of mine years ago freaked out, immediately aborted the baby and then the next day realized what she had actually done. I think had they shown her prior that this WAS a baby, things would be different for her now. She almost lost her mind over it.
Changing the wording might help by calling it what it really is... a baby. You hear the word fetus, embryo, etc. and it really does not register. If you ask them prior if they want to end their baby's life, they might think about it a bit more. Asking them if they want to abort a fetus is not personal enough for most people.
The bigger issue is why are so many women getting pregnant when they don't want to get pregnant? There is no excuse, this day and time, for any woman,rich, poor, whatever, to get pregnant if she doesn't want to.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said the key is to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Free birth control is the only thing that can do that, IMO. And with overpopulation already stressing the world's food and water supplies, it's a problem that needs to be addressed quickly. Unfortunately, as you say, many people don't consider fetuses to be babies.
My stance. Use birth control if you don't want to get pregnant. If you're careless and don't, use the morning after pill. Other than for medical reasons, all abortions should be done within the first trimester. Unwanted pregnancies will happen, but the vast majority could be avoided with routine planning.
My stance. Use birth control if you don't want to get pregnant. If you're careless and don't, use the morning after pill. Other than for medical reasons, all abortions should be done within the first trimester. Unwanted pregnancies will happen, but the vast majority could be avoided with routine planning.
That is what puzzles me as well. There is more contraception accessibility than EVER, and all different kinds! It's like better healthcare makes the lifespan increase over time.
I also think that abortion is a horrible choice for a pregnancy. I couldn't do it. I think if people recognized it as murdering their baby, they'd probably have fewer abortions. But, then again, if all the abortions were actually BORN... how would we take care of all of them? We already refuse to share with each other as it is!
I'm in this crowd.
I do agree with this. If people were more careful and/or responsible, unwanted pregnancies should become a thing of the past. However I feel that it should be up to the parents as to whether they abort or not. Hell, I could even hear an argument that if either the mother or father wants it aborted, then it should be aborted - although I realize that's not likely to be a popular stance, and many would feel that if either wanted to keep it that it should be kept. I'd feel that way if it weren't for things like child support. The guy is in sort of a tough spot if he gets a woman pregnant, doesn't want to be on the hook for 18 years worth of child support, but the woman has the baby anyways.
All of this could be avoided with signing something that says "in the event of a pregnancy, we will do X" before having sex - but obviously that'll never happen.
I've always found it hypocritical that women and the court system say that a man has no control over what happens before the child is born, but after birth he is legally responsible for it.
I would be for scaling-back the time for an abortion to be allowed. I think it should be 2 months instead of 3. If you miss 2 menstrual cycles, then you know something is up.
If my daughter is pregnant and due in 3 months, the baby has property rights by will. IOW, I can rewrite my will after I learn that my daughter is expecting and leave X amount of my estate to him/her. If I die prior to the baby being born, the baby is entitled to whatever amount of my estate that I've willed to him/her. Unless of course, my daughter decides to abort the baby. So the fetus has property rights before he's born but he doesn't have the right to be born?
How crazy is that?
How crazy is that?
I'm not a doctor, but I'm fairly certain there are plenty of women who aren't "regular" and routinely miss a few periods in a row. Or for some that have IUDs, they actually don't get periods often at all - so it's somewhat tough to make it so they can only be 2 months pregnant.
After all - what's the difference between a 2 month fetus and an 8 month fetus? Both are unborn.
Agreed. I think they should change the laws of being able to will to unborn people. I'm pretty sure you can't will to a person after they die, so why should you be able to will to one before they're born?
That's fine, they could be and they could possibly NOT be pregnant. But, show some responsibility and get it checked-out. I guess, for me, when the fetus starts looking like a baby (has a heartbeat!), the it feels like murdering a baby to me. I sort of step-out of these arguments because, being a man, I can't have an abortion, or a menstrual cycle.
I lost a baby that came out of my body IN my bathroom at 12 weeks and it looked like this. My heart was so broken. It IS A BABY!
You mean other than the fact an eight month fetus can live outside of the womb?
I'm a little surprised by this thread. I thought for sure that there would be some strong opinions from both sides, but it appears most of us agree on the overall issues with just some minor differences on the details.
I think calling it a fetus is where the disconnect begins. I realize medically speaking it is a fetus but not once when I was pregnant did I call my children a fetus. I never said "Oh come here and feel... my fetuses are moving," "The fetus kicked my ribs again!," "These fetuses are killing my bladder!" Nope, not one time! They were babies then and to this day are my babies!
I don't expect guys to get it but I can assure you if you grow something the size of a watermelon in your abdomen and push it out of your penis, you'll remember it was not a fetus you pushed out but a baby!
love yaz
I don't expect guys to get it but I can assure you if you grow something the size of a watermelon in your abdomen and push it out of your penis, you'll remember it was not a fetus you pushed out but a baby!
love yaz
This attitude is one I have a hard time understanding. Obviously, you're not alone in feeling this way but I just can't comprehend it.
I think you're spot on. Calling these living organisms fetuses is a desensitizing mechanism which makes it easier to abort "it", another desensitizing term you'll hear used by men or women who are contemplating an abortion. I've never heard a single pregnant woman say she felt her fetus kick.
I agree with you. I was saying fetus since I was replying to a post that used the word fetus. This is probably one thread I should stay away from though. I have no problem listening to all the other opinions in these other threads. I might not always agree, but I can at least understand where a person is coming from. However, I feel very strongly about this issue and I just can't wrap my head around why someone would feel differently. It just doesn't compute for me.
I agree with you, too. The terminology does allow for there to be a dehumanizing effect. They're not seen as human beings, so they can be "disposed of" and not feel guilty.
i cant wrap my brain around the concept of a fertilized egg being a human being and deserving all rights therein. But I also consider aborting when a baby has brainwaves as barbaric. I do know that we lost a child at three months in the womb and i mourn his loss on his due date every year as if it were a child who had been born. His name was Eli and would be 14 next week.
I have followed the abortion debate for decades , heard both sides POV over and over. I guess my biggest question and one I simply have NEVER been able to wrap my head around, are Catholics and their attitudes toward abortion and voting for democrats.
As a relatively low practicing Catholic, I am no holy roller by any stretch, there are many many Catholics who are devout and believe strongly in their faith YET they vote for ppro abortion democrats. Catholics in many places are a strong voting block for Democrats and their political leaders like Nancy Pelosi( a catholic herself) ,one of the MOST strident abortion rights women in America. Back when the pope came to DC, There was ol nanny literally kissing the popes ring last year.
How can folks who claim to be followers of Christ, vote and vote and vote again for people who have sanctioned, supported, and condoned, the deaths of million and millions of unborn babies.
believe me I am no saint but this one has always puzzled me.
Someone try and explain, cause after nearly forty years of following this I still do not get this aspect of the issue.
As a relatively low practicing Catholic, I am no holy roller by any stretch, there are many many Catholics who are devout and believe strongly in their faith YET they vote for ppro abortion democrats. Catholics in many places are a strong voting block for Democrats and their political leaders like Nancy Pelosi( a catholic herself) ,one of the MOST strident abortion rights women in America. Back when the pope came to DC, There was ol nanny literally kissing the popes ring last year.
How can folks who claim to be followers of Christ, vote and vote and vote again for people who have sanctioned, supported, and condoned, the deaths of million and millions of unborn babies.
believe me I am no saint but this one has always puzzled me.
Someone try and explain, cause after nearly forty years of following this I still do not get this aspect of the issue.
Being Catholic myself I understand that because they are huge proponents of anything anti-birth control. I find that just to be another man made religious rule they make up.
I don't understand their loyalty to the Republican Party on the reasons of supporting a anti-abortion candidate when that is just laughable. The candidates may be against abortion but will do anything to change it? No, absolutely not. I know this because I personally asked several of them. Even Mitt Romney said so publicly and people still bought into the conservative evangelical bullsh*t.
I'm amazed at how gullible Christians are when it comes to politics. They buy whatever they sell them though.
A lot of people don't understand the pain the baby goes through as its little body is being ripped apart during an abortion. There will be a reckoning for that...
My heart goes out to you heelman. We've butted heads more than once but we seem to agree on life issues a lot. My sister miscarried three times and it was devastating to her and her husband. You can guess how she feels about abortion.
Dolls look like babies too...
Yes, other than that. And I suppose an 8 month fetus is usually bigger than a 2 month fetus, thats another difference. I was more referring to things that are different about them that would make a difference in an abortion decision. Maybe it's capable of living outside the womb.... but until it actually is living outside the womb, its a fetus.
And for those who claim it should be called a baby... lets take a look at the definitions of the words. Critical words bolded.
Fetus:
an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.
Baby:
a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.
Fetus:
an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.
Baby:
a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.
I'll take a stab at it (no pun intended). Ah who am I kidding - pun absolutely intended.
People should be voting for what they think the law should be. Not what they themselves would personally do/believe. I'm not sure if I'd ever condone an abortion for a fetus I created. Fortunately I've never had to make that decision. But I definitely believe it should be the would-be parents choice as to whether they would make that decision or not. If the fetus is unwanted - then it will most likely remain unwanted once it becomes a baby.
I'm not sure what could make a bigger difference than being able to survive on your own. I really don't know what else to say. While I respect your opinion and the right to have it I just can't understand it.
Seriously? You're comparing an inanimate thing like a doll to living being?????? I actually thought you were smarter than that and have always respected you on here but that has me dumbfounded. Obviously you don't have children.
The baby that came out of me looked like that only with a grayer tint to his dead skin. If you cannot see that IS a baby then you probably should no create any. smdh
Someone will want it. I have numerous friends who couldn't conceive and HAD to go overseas to adopt because we are too stupid in this country to have an effective and more simplified way to adopt here.
Oh my bad. I should always use medical terms from now on. Like I said when my twin babies were in the womb kicking and moving I never said "come feel, the fetus is kicking" and furthermore when you are getting a sonogram we ALWAYS label the "fetus" as Baby, in my case it was baby A and baby B.
Hopefully your epididymis will be clogged forever.
you can look it up lol
Correct.
Nothing about that picture looked "living" to me.
I've already poasted the definitions of a baby and a fetus, and per those, I'm correct that its not a baby. And I don't see how that has any bearing on whether I should have children some day or not. I would be very protective of it while it was in fetus stage, and remain protective of it once it was born as a baby. Again, I'm not saying I necessarily would ever condone an abortion of my own, I'm just saying it should be a perfectly reasonable choice for those that desire it.
I honestly don't even feel that strongly about the issue - I just feel like I need to provide some rational thought to an otherwise lacking thread.
It wasn't living. It is dead! Before it died it was living!
What do you call the things in the womb of a pregnant cat or dog???
I don't think I've ever thought of it to the point of needing to come up with a word.. but it'd either be a "cat fetus" or "dog fetus"... or maybe an "unborn puppy" or "unborn kitten". I guess I don't really have an issue with calling the human version an "unborn baby" because you're clarifying that you are aware that what you are talking about isn't actually a baby by qualifying it with "unborn".
My point here is that it's up to the parents. If the parents want it, then by all means, don't abort it - call it a baby - will property to it for all I care (although I think that's ridiculous). If they don't want it - then abort it (unless they'd prefer to have it and give it up for adoption). I just don't think anyone should be telling anyone else what they should be doing with their fetus/unborn baby.
Everybody who wants to save these babies should work on a way to get these men and women to use birth control. Problem solved...
