UNC Blocks Stanford… “reportedly”

[Rabidfrog]

UNC is “reportedly” (which means gossip/slander rags say) one of 4 schools blocking expansion to the west coast…

If some truth is found in this “reporting” I find it interesting that it is only four and that those four are most likely to be able to leave the ACC the easiest if it breaks up.

 

[dtodd4475]

UNC is “reportedly” (which means gossip/slander rags say) one of 4 schools blocking expansion to the west coast…

If some truth is found in this “reporting” I find it interesting that it is only four and that those four are most likely to be able to leave the ACC the easiest if it breaks up.

Unless those 4 are released from the GoR to allow them to move on why would they want to make it more difficult to move? They do not want to be there, they are contractually locked in. They are not looking to help who is holding them.

 

[gary-7]

UNC is “reportedly” (which means gossip/slander rags say) one of 4 schools blocking expansion to the west coast…

If some truth is found in this “reporting” I find it interesting that it is only four and that those four are most likely to be able to leave the ACC the easiest if it breaks up.

Dunno where you're getting "reportedly" from --- it's more than that.
Those west coast schools make zero sense to bring in.
Also, highly doubtful ACC breaks up, given existant contractual obligations. More likely that the "football" schools instigate some sort of redistribution arrangement for conference $$$.

 

[dtodd4475]

Dunno where you're getting "reportedly" from --- it's more than that.
Those west coast schools make zero sense to bring in.
Also, highly doubtful ACC breaks up, given existant contractual obligations. More likely that the "football" schools instigate some sort of redistribution arrangement for conference $$$.

It's an iron clad contract. But make NO mistake those schools want out !

 

[dtodd4475]

Also Cal and Stanford are not going to lock-in long term like the current teams are in the GoR. They would just be waiting for the B1G offer which will come and have an escape hatch. The ACC is trying to show they have a future and convince the schools who want out. It's not working, gonna have to do much more.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Dunno where you're getting "reportedly" from --- it's more than that.
Those west coast schools make zero sense to bring in.
Also, highly doubtful ACC breaks up, given existant contractual obligations. More likely that the "football" schools instigate some sort of redistribution arrangement for conference $$$.

He’s right. It’s 4 schools: Carolina, Clemson, FSU and moo.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

If the ACC did add West Coast teams, would that apply to all sports? I mean I imagine football and basketball make enough money to pay for the travel, but who pays travel for sports that aren't profitable? Taxpayers (for the state schools, at least)?

If it's taxpayers, could expanding the geographic reach of the conference amount to a tax increase?

 

[tarheel0910]

If the ACC did add West Coast teams, would that apply to all sports? I mean I imagine football and basketball make enough money to pay for the travel, but who pays travel for sports that aren't profitable? Taxpayers (for the state schools, at least)?

Football pays. That's why football money is important. It pays for pretty much everything.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Football pays. That's why football money is important. It pays for pretty much everything.

Does football make THAT much more than basketball?

I mean basketball has more games and smaller teams and staffs. Why isn't it the profit leader?

Serious question. How does football turn a more expensive operation to run (I assume) and a third the number of games to sell into a much more profitable enterprise that drives all these conference decisions?

Obviously football is doing something very smart - and I hope someone will explain it to me - but why can't basketball do most of the same things?

 

[alabamaheel]

Does football make THAT much more than basketball?

I mean basketball has more games and smaller teams and staffs. Why isn't it the profit leader?

Serious question. How does football turn a more expensive operation to run (I assume) and a third the number of games to sell into a much more profitable enterprise that drives all these conference decisions?

Obviously football is doing something very smart - and I hope someone will explain it to me - but why can't basketball do most of the same things?

I would simply say just look even at the High school level. Football is king when it comes to money and revenue. Lol even at schools where fb sucks.

 

[tarheel0910]

Does football make THAT much more than basketball?

I mean basketball has more games and smaller teams and staffs. Why isn't it the profit leader?

Serious question. How does football turn a more expensive operation to run (I assume) and a third the number of games to sell into a much more profitable enterprise that drives all these conference decisions?

Obviously football is doing something very smart - and I hope someone will explain it to me - but why can't basketball do most of the same things?

Because the viewership is significantly larger for football. That's where the money comes from. Basketball programs like UNC can turn a profit and pay for itself because it's a blue blood and people buy expensive tickets and watch games. Not a lot of people are tuning in and buying tickets for Elon games.

Check out this page. Keep in mind UNC is an average football team in football and a blue blood in basketball. Football still wins out. And this doesn't even take into account the TV amounts.

University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Athletics Programs

Learn more about University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill sports programs, including how well they rank, how many student athletes the schools has, how much financial aid each student receives , and more.

www.collegefactual.com

ETA: After doing some quick searching, average viewership for football on ESPN networks was 2.1 million for football and 1.4 in basketball. That's only ESPN, so I would guess it's even larger if you add up all other networks. And I think the CFP draws significantly larger viewership than the basketball tournament.

 

[DSouthr]

Dunno where you're getting "reportedly" from --- it's more than that.
Those west coast schools make zero sense to bring in.
Also, highly doubtful ACC breaks up, given existant contractual obligations. More likely that the "football" schools instigate some sort of redistribution arrangement for conference $$$.

LOL, got to tell ya, this notion of adding teams in Cali is a new standard in dumb, sounds like something the NCAA would do on it's own. What would they then call the ACC, maybe the A&P conference, Food Lion may take issues with that! LOL

 

[DaveChapelle]

If some truth is found in this “reporting” I find it interesting that it is only four and that those four are most likely to be able to leave the ACC the easiest if it breaks up.

NC State was one of the 4 reported to block it.

NC State's only hope of getting a B1G/SEC invite revolves around the gerrymandered NCGA holding UNC hostage.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Because the viewership is significantly larger for football. That's where the money comes from. Basketball programs like UNC can turn a profit and pay for itself because it's a blue blood and people buy expensive tickets and watch games. Not a lot of people are tuning in and buying tickets for Elon games.

Check out this page. Keep in mind UNC is an average football team in football and a blue blood in basketball. Football still wins out. And this doesn't even take into account the TV amounts.

University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Athletics Programs

Learn more about University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill sports programs, including how well they rank, how many student athletes the schools has, how much financial aid each student receives , and more.

www.collegefactual.com

ETA: After doing some quick searching, average viewership for football on ESPN networks was 2.1 million for football and 1.4 in basketball. That's only ESPN, so I would guess it's even larger if you add up all other networks. And I think the CFP draws significantly larger viewership than the basketball tournament.

Thanks. That was helpful. And disappointing. This stuck out.

 

[dtodd4475]

Does football make THAT much more than basketball?

I mean basketball has more games and smaller teams and staffs. Why isn't it the profit leader?

Serious question. How does football turn a more expensive operation to run (I assume) and a third the number of games to sell into a much more profitable enterprise that drives all these conference decisions?

Obviously football is doing something very smart - and I hope someone will explain it to me - but why can't basketball do most of the same things?

It's not even close. College football dwarfs college basketball.

Actually college hoops is often largely not even covered much in the big markets until it gets close to tourney time. The madness is huge, but regular season is regional. Wednesday and Saturday games while the big boys in the league are also playing not the draw.

Football is the American golden goose and the college game owns Saturday's, now spreading to weekday programming as well.. The big boys have Sunday, Monday and Thursday night.

I mean Tuesday night MACtion games between Ball State and Miami of Ohio get as many eyes as a UNC/UCLA hoops early season saturday game.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

It's not even close. College football dwarfs college basketball.

Actually college hoops is often largely not even covered much in the big markets until it gets close to tourney time. The madness is huge, but regular season is regional. Wednesday and Saturday games while the big boys in the league are also playing not the draw.

Football is the American golden goose and the college game owns Saturday's, now spreading to weekday programming as well.. The big boys have Sunday, Monday and Thursday night.

I mean Tuesday night MACtion games between Ball State and Miami of Ohio get as many eyes as a UNC/UCLA hoops early season saturday game.

Sad.

Clearly another sign of the decline of civilization.

 

[tarheel0910]

Thanks. That was helpful. And disappointing. This stuck out.

Just goes to show how important that TV money is. If the ACC TV revenue continues to fall behind there will be only two options. Either let the gap grow for the whole athletic department (that includes basketball) or cut sports. Neither are very attractive options.

 

[ACokeForRoy]

If Stanford and Cal joined you could have likely got ND to become full members in Football because of Stanford. That's major leverage for bargaining for TV money increase.

 

[tarheel0910]

If Stanford and Cal joined you could have likely got ND to become full members in Football because of Stanford. That's major leverage for bargaining for TV money increase.

ND isn't joining a conference anytime soon, but you are right that ND would significantly increase the value of the conference.

 

[heelbent]

Moo voted against the expansion for a specific reason; They don't want to be stuck in a lesser ACC without UNC. The mooers are praying UNC either ends up in the B10 or the Legislature staples them to our hide if a move is made to the SEC.

The B12 is the only conference interested in moo at all at the moment, and they know it.

 

[imajericho]

If Stanford and Cal joined you could have likely got ND to become full members in Football because of Stanford. That's major leverage for bargaining for TV money increase.

Absolutely they would not have. In fact, FSU kept throwing this in their face saying they would vote for the expansion if Notre Dame also joined in football as well.

 

[tarheel0910]

Absolutely they would not have. In fact, FSU kept throwing this in their face saying they would vote for the expansion if Notre Dame also joined in football as well.

I would hope UNC did the same. Supposedly ND was pushing this hard because of their relationship with Stanford. They shouldn't have the power to add teams based on football, but not join themselves.

 

[DaveChapelle]

If Stanford and Cal joined you could have likely got ND to become full members in Football because of Stanford. That's major leverage for bargaining for TV money increase.

You've got it backwards. Notre Dame is welcome to join as a full member in order to persuade the ACC to add Stanford.

But in no way would adding Stanford "likely" get Notre Dame to become a full member. Notre Dame has shown no interest in giving up their TV deal with NBC.

 

[Archer2]

Sad.

Clearly another sign of the decline of civilization.

Love of money is the root…

 

[Bubspub88]

The fact that ND even gets a vote on expansion without being a member in all sports is ridiculous. I am pretty sure the ACC would have approved Stanford and Cal quickly had the Irish said they would join in football if the west coast teams were brought in.

 

[DaveChapelle]

ESPN article clears things up today. There was not an official vote by the ACC to expand. They checked in with the members and once they realized at least 4 teams would vote no, they never bothered to do an official vote. So it's possible more than those 4 teams would have voted no.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

ESPN article clears things up today. There was not an official vote by the ACC to expand. They checked in with the members and once they realized at least 4 teams would vote no, they never bothered to do an official vote. So it's possible more than those 4 teams would have voted no.

I'm reminded of the saying about the US constitution not being a suicide pact. The GoR shouldn't be, either.

Sounds like the GoR needs serious revision or to go away. But how will that start?

Or can we just continue like this and everything will turn out OK?

 

[dtodd4475]

Notre Dame is not following Standford anywhere. Stanford does not move the needle one iota for what ND does when it comes to their bottom line. ND set the standard for the get yours football deals, they are Old G's at the bottom line.

 

[tarheel0910]

Sounds like the GoR needs serious revision or to go away. But how will that start?

Someone will have to go to court to fight it. My guess is there are other teams that are hoping FSU does that, so they can follow if they can get out. Another thing to watch is the private equity angle FSU is looking at. If they can figure that out somehow, then the GofR becomes irrelevant.