UNC to face Rutgers in the Quick Lane Bowl (Detroit), 12/26 at 4:30 pm
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Here are the head-to-head stats versus Rutgers.
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Head-to-head stats vs. Rutgers
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The dookies are playing in El Paso. Or would you have preferred Albuquerque? I flew into Detroit for business for over 6 years and would gladly take it before either of them.
Blahhhhh. Day after Christmas, out of sight out of mind. Support will be minimal until changes with the staff are made.
Rutgers fan here wishing you guys the best. We were hoping for a different bowl destination too but happy to be playing you in an NFL stadium that is indoor so the weather won't be an issue. Hoping for a good and entertaining game. Our game against you on Sept 2 2006 was the start of our special season when we went 11-2.
this is what you get when you get spanked by nc state.
christmas in detroit while the wolpfack is in fla.
well deserved reward.
christmas in detroit while the wolpfack is in fla.
well deserved reward.
There are some great bars to take in downtown. Hockey town is a fantastic place. Too bad it's December and the roof will probably be closed. Casinos are downtown and a short trip to Windsor Canada.......everything you would expect at a border town. The Henry Ford museum is a must see......not just cars. Trust me on the HFM. Ann Arbor is a :30 minute drive. Downtown will remind you of Franklin street like no other place you have been. Go early and spend Christmas in Frankenmuth or Frankenchicken as the locals call it. Look it up.....like a trip to the North Pole. Bronners is the largest Christmas store in the world. Of course, you'll see many abandoned factories (thanks union) and neighborhoods with only 1 house standing (they burned down the rest to keep them from turning to crack houses) but you'll see a lot of interesting stuff too. Take a drive up Lake Shore Dr heading Notth and just past the blight, you will see the most beautiful homes (estates). Not as bad as you may think of a place to go to a game. Day after Christmas sucks but like I said, there is a place to spend Christmas in Frankenmuth (1.5 hrs from Detroit) that you may not ever experience without this game. Lastly, :30 min south of Detroit on 23 in Dundee is a fantastic Cabela's.
I'll second that.
That said, the program can use this time to get its collective head back on. If the team can get back its desire to play, which seemed totally lacking versus Moo, then so much the better heading for Spring.
Rutgers will be a good test. Flood is a D-1st coach, and his teams wil force opponents to play smart, tough football.
This post was edited on 12/8 10:24 AM by WoadBlue
too bad they don't combine the bowl with hoops. While the UNC men are much better than the Rutgers men it would be great for a rematch of the ladies hoops programs that went to double overtime this past week. They can do it at Auburn Hills the day after the bowl game.
One note regarding the stats above. Don't be fooled by Rutgers' run defense. The B1G has 5 of the nation's top 20 rushing offenses and Rutgers had to face all of them this season (Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio State, Nebraska, and Michigan State).
Rutgers had the 18th toughest schedule and UNC had the 35th toughest. The stats for Rutgers are going to
look a little worse than usual. I expect them to be good. UNC had better have the mentality they had
against dook or it could be an after Christmas embarrassment. Practice hard Heels, we are behind you.
Tough traveling location and timing. Unless you have relatives that way, who wants to spend Christmas in
Detroit? If I told my wife that we were doing this, she would ask who I lost a bet with!!
look a little worse than usual. I expect them to be good. UNC had better have the mentality they had
against dook or it could be an after Christmas embarrassment. Practice hard Heels, we are behind you.
Tough traveling location and timing. Unless you have relatives that way, who wants to spend Christmas in
Detroit? If I told my wife that we were doing this, she would ask who I lost a bet with!!
By what measure? I haven't seen a source that placed Rutgers' SOS higher than 46, nor a single one that ranked their SOS higher than UNC's.
"One note regarding the stats above. Don't be fooled by Rutgers' run defense. The B1G has 5 of the nation's top 20 rushing offenses and Rutgers had to face all of them this season (Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio State, Nebraska, and Michigan State)."
Don't forget Navy, which ranked #4 in the nation in rushing, so there were 6 of the top 20. RU was no worse than anyone else against these teams at the point of attack -- the issue was that with RU playing deep safeties all year, every time the runners got to the second level they had a full head of steam and had an edge in avoiding defenders trying to find a good angle coming in from 20 yards out -- it just did not work against this schedule -- too much emphasis on not being beat deep IMO. This was not a defense that gave up an extraordinary amount of intermediate runs. Rather an extraordinary number of cases of what should have been an intermediate run turning into a home run because of bad scheming combined with bad secondary technique.
This post was edited on 12/8 12:09 PM by 80RU
Don't forget Navy, which ranked #4 in the nation in rushing, so there were 6 of the top 20. RU was no worse than anyone else against these teams at the point of attack -- the issue was that with RU playing deep safeties all year, every time the runners got to the second level they had a full head of steam and had an edge in avoiding defenders trying to find a good angle coming in from 20 yards out -- it just did not work against this schedule -- too much emphasis on not being beat deep IMO. This was not a defense that gave up an extraordinary amount of intermediate runs. Rather an extraordinary number of cases of what should have been an intermediate run turning into a home run because of bad scheming combined with bad secondary technique.
This post was edited on 12/8 12:09 PM by 80RU
Oh, you want to see bad scheming combined with bad technique? Wait until you see UNC's defense.
Seriously, though, thanks for the insights. Looking forward to a fun, injury-free game.
I think those may be pre-season numbers. Our OOC looked much tougher pre-season when Washington State, Navy, Tulane were all Bowl teams last year. Navy is the only one to make of those 3 this year so our current SOS doesn't look quite as good. Though, we did win all of our OOC games.
Timing and location of this bowl sucks for both sides. Both teams lost games that could had made a big difference. You guys to NC State and Rutgers to PSU. But at least we both do get to play P5 opponents. It could have been worse.
Expecting a shootout...Our D got a little better but our secondary is still very young and in-experienced. The run D is deceptive because of what was stated, we played the top running teams in the nation. We also did tire out late in the season going against some of those B1G OL's. But with much needed rest, I expect the DL to be pretty good in the bowl against you guys. Your QB is going to air it out on us though. We do have some good weapons and if Nova has a good game, he can hang with anyone but if he has a bad game, he could through 5 to you guys in blue.
BTW- what is deceiving about our SOS is how they put it together for us.
at OSU, at Nebraska, home Wisc, (get a break and have Indiana at home) and then at MSU
we were lucky that Michigan was down this year or that gauntlet would have started with Michigan. Our first 2 years in the B1G they gave us Nebraska and Wisc both years as our cross over games. lucky us lol
I haven't really followed you guys all that closely but can see you have a good offense and bad defense. Any breakdown you can share as to what you guys think are your strengths and weaknesses?
at OSU, at Nebraska, home Wisc, (get a break and have Indiana at home) and then at MSU
we were lucky that Michigan was down this year or that gauntlet would have started with Michigan. Our first 2 years in the B1G they gave us Nebraska and Wisc both years as our cross over games. lucky us lol
I haven't really followed you guys all that closely but can see you have a good offense and bad defense. Any breakdown you can share as to what you guys think are your strengths and weaknesses?
The RU fans on this thread appear to be good representatives of RU.
I would advise UNC fans to not go to their site. 2/3 of the RU fans over there predict an easy win against us, the other 1/3 are just gleefully taking shots about UNC and saying that one of us should have not taken the bowl bid... because UNC is so scummy and RU is so pure.
This post was edited on 12/8 1:01 PM by UNC_Blue
I would advise UNC fans to not go to their site. 2/3 of the RU fans over there predict an easy win against us, the other 1/3 are just gleefully taking shots about UNC and saying that one of us should have not taken the bowl bid... because UNC is so scummy and RU is so pure.
This post was edited on 12/8 1:01 PM by UNC_Blue
there are two running threads.....the one you probably looked at mentioned your defensive stats and a lot of fans thought
we should be able to hang 50 on you...
then another thread about what the point spread would be.....that one had UNC somewhere between a 2.5 to 6 pt favorite
by most that posted.
so it goes both ways....maybe they figure it could be a 50-49 game
should be fun
I'll try to keep it brief haha.
Carolina has a reasonably talented team if recruiting rankings are to be believed. However, the Heels are down 15 cumulative scholarships (5 each of the last 3 years) due to NCAA sanctions. The team has also been plagued by serious inconsistency throughout the season in all 3 phases.
QB Marquise Williams has become the heart and soul of the offense. Think Steve McNair Jr. His greatest attributes are his athleticism and his decision making, i.e. avoiding bad plays.
The OL is very young (4 sophomores, 1 junior) and was injury plagued through the first half of the season. As a result, UNC's running game has struggled despite having quality depth at the RB position. Williams is the leading rusher thanks to his ability to make plays with his legs when a pass play breaks down or he sees an opening. But when the running game is clicking, this offense is virtually unstoppable.
Williams is a reasonably accurate passer in UNC's spread offense thanks to quick hitters. His deep ball has improved a bit this season as well. Passes are distributed pretty evenly and UNC has 4 receivers who can all hurt you. However, they don't consistently get open and Williams has had erratic games where his mechanics have led to bad throws.
Where to start on defense? Carolina uses a 4-2-5 base set although that may be out the door along with its defensive coordinator (no news yet). The scheme uses a hybrid DE/LB ("Bandit") up front and a hybrid LB/Safety ("Ram) in the secondary. Theoretically, this offers flexibility against various offensive personnel groupings. In practice, however, it has left UNC undersized at a number of positions and the results have been predictable.
The defensive front isn't especially stout against the run and doesn't create much pressure on the QB. Naturally that creates problems for the back 7. Those problems have been compounded by players taking bad angles and using poor tackling technique if/when they get there. Again, the results have been inconsistent. Honestly, UNC's best defensive efforts have come against lackluster offenses (Virginia Tech, Virginia, dook). The best thing I have to say about the Heels' defense is that it's opportunistic. They've forced some timely fumbles and interceptions this season.
Our kickoff and punt coverage teams are outstanding. Our kickoff and punt return teams are meh, although PR Ryan Switzer tied an NCAA record with 5 PR TDs last season. Our field goal kicking is abysmal. Six of 12 on the season and the longest kick was 30 yards. Anything between the opponent's 20-yard line and 40-yard line is basically four-down territory for the Tar Heels.
Ah, okay. Rutgers is definitely an outlier compared to other sites but of course each one uses its own methodology.
This is just a waste of time and money. How the hell does a 6-6 team deserve a bowl. And the how the hell are they going to get pumped playing Rutgers in Detroit if they can't get pumped playing State and Kenan. After that embarrassing game, they players absolutely do not deserve a bowl game.
Which team will show up... the team that whipped Duke or the one that got whipped by State?? Go Heels!!!
