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What Would Jesus Do?

What Would Jesus Do?

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While I'm waiting until I have imbibed enough coffee to do something useful, I thought I'd check this out.

I've grouped them into presumptive point, wing and front court clumps just so I wouldn't have to figure out the actual positions.

The numbers are rankings out of HS per 247 (just because it was easier to get them there). For some that's useful info, for others not. So take it FWIW.

Assuming Duke loses Ingram and Allen but that Jefferson returns, they have these guys.

14 - Thornton
14 - Jackson

03 - Tatum
21 - Kennard
30 - Jones

02 - Giles
15 - Jeter
30 - Jefferson
40 - DeLaurier
203 - Vrankovic
366 - Robinson
NR - Obi

Assuming Jackson leaves but Meeks returns, we have these guys:

30 - Berry
123 - Britt
NR - White

15 - Pinson
45 - Woods
56 - Robinson
97 - Williams

16 - Hicks
28 - Bradley
58 - Meeks
156 - Maye

Since K doesn't play low-ranked guys, we can expect to hear whining about how short-handed they are all next year, too.
 
We will add a big this year JUCO, transfer, foreign... gonna happen IMO especially if Meeks leaves like he says he will
 
imajericho said:
Meeks never said he was leaving. Gary said it. Meeks isn't leaving.
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gary didn't say it, gary passed on information that is pretty widely known prior to this season's start. It isn't as if gary just said something he was speculating on, it has been widely known.
 
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What Would Jesus Do? said:
While I'm waiting until I have imbibed enough coffee to do something useful, I thought I'd check this out.

I've grouped them into presumptive point, wing and front court clumps just so I wouldn't have to figure out the actual positions.

The numbers are rankings out of HS per 247 (just because it was easier to get them there). For some that's useful info, for others not. So take it FWIW.

Assuming Duke loses Ingram and Allen but that Jefferson returns, they have these guys.

14 - Thornton
14 - Jackson

03 - Tatum
21 - Kennard
30 - Jones

02 - Giles
15 - Jeter
30 - Jefferson
40 - DeLaurier
203 - Vrankovic
366 - Robinson
NR - Obi

Assuming Jackson leaves but Meeks returns, we have these guys:

30 - Berry
123 - Britt
NR - White

15 - Pinson
45 - Woods
56 - Robinson
97 - Williams

16 - Hicks
28 - Bradley
58 - Meeks
156 - Maye

Since K doesn't play low-ranked guys, we can expect to hear whining about how short-handed they are all next year, too.
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Who starts at the 5 for Duke? "China Shop" Giles?
 
He hasn't played too many games yet? Oh wait, I bet the rules are different for dookies...
 
Well if he can come back at some point this season, they gotta have come back and burn that opportunity at the red shirt right? As we've all heard from the doochies - Jefferson is the difference between this team being a first round exit, and a national champion.
 
GoToHeelDook said:
At this juncture, he could still redshirt.
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That was my thinking. He's only played 9 games. So if he doesn't do a Zeller, he could come back.

At the moment, he isn't on the couple of mock drafts I checked. But he was playing well enough before he was injured that he should be draft-worthy (in my opinion). So coming back to prove that could make good sense for him.
 
The plan last summer was for Meeks to declare after this season .............................. plans change.
 
DSouthr said:
gary didn't say it, gary passed on information that is pretty widely known prior to this season's start. It isn't as if gary just said something he was speculating on, it has been widely known.
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Show me someone of reputable stature who said it? I have seen most articles that dare to mention Meeks next year saying he will be there next year.
 
GoToHeelDook said:
At this juncture, he could still redshirt.
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He has played. He would have to apply for a medical redshirt and I am not sure he would get it. He played in a good chunk of games. And, since Duke is so weak inside, I think they need him in the tournament. I don't see a redshirt for him. Not with the firepower in the next recruiting class behind him which will relegate him to the bench.
 
I think Meeks and Jackson come back, JJ needs another year unless he goes crazy from here on out, and even so he needs to get so much stronger to play in the NBA it's not funny.
 
Yep, nobody will be any happier than Gary if Kennedy returns because he appreciates the contributions Kennedy makes this year, let alone what he might coñtribute next year as a senior. Gary doesn't act like his info is set in stone, he just gives us the inside scuttlebutt that he's privy to with his AAU connections. Take it for what you think it's worth. Most of us appreciate him sharing it with us. I, for one, put more credence in his info that that of most "insiders" on this board.
 
gary-7 said:
OK :rolleyes:. All I can tell you on here is that I have a really, really good source when it comes to Kennedy... and leave it at that.

Trust me, if he changes his mind I'll be more than happy to report that to the board.
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Wait a minute,...are you saying that Meeks is still sold on entering the draft? That's a laugh. I mean, at the beginning of the year, sure, he had high hopes. But the only check he's gonna get from the NBA is of the reality variety.
 
What Would Jesus Do? said:
While I'm waiting until I have imbibed enough coffee to do something useful, I thought I'd check this out.

I've grouped them into presumptive point, wing and front court clumps just so I wouldn't have to figure out the actual positions.

The numbers are rankings out of HS per 247 (just because it was easier to get them there). For some that's useful info, for others not. So take it FWIW.

Assuming Duke loses Ingram and Allen but that Jefferson returns, they have these guys.

14 - Thornton
14 - Jackson

03 - Tatum
21 - Kennard
30 - Jones

02 - Giles
15 - Jeter
30 - Jefferson
40 - DeLaurier
203 - Vrankovic
366 - Robinson
NR - Obi

Assuming Jackson leaves but Meeks returns, we have these guys:

30 - Berry
123 - Britt
NR - White

15 - Pinson
45 - Woods
56 - Robinson
97 - Williams

16 - Hicks
28 - Bradley
58 - Meeks
156 - Maye

Since K doesn't play low-ranked guys, we can expect to hear whining about how short-handed they are all next year, too.
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Not sure why you're including utterly meaningless (and that's being kind) rankings, and unless he has a change of heart (hope he does, but...) Meeks ain't coming back. Jackson is more likely to return than Meeks, but I wouldn't pin any hopes on it.

With the disclaimer that if we win it all, then all bets are off --- I believe there is a very good likelihood (even if we do win it) we have a starting lineup of Berry/Williams/Pinson/Hicks/Bradley (that's 4 Burger-Boys for those counting), with Britt reprising this season's role along with Woods at Guard, Robinson (and Rush if he's ready) getting time at the 3, and Maye the primary backup up front. As someone posted ITT it would not surprise me to see Roy pick up another Big body.

We can still be pretty doggone good, with JB being the key component.
 
gunslingerdick said:
But the only check he's gonna get from the NBA is of the reality variety.
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Have to admit, that made me laugh. And to be truthful, I can't see why anyone would think it's in his best interest to leave, Kennedy included. TBS, I've seen longer shots attempt to go pro early, so you never know.

As long as he's a good teammate and represents the university well, I'm content. And while I'd love to see him excel and maximize his potential, that's really up to him.
 
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Archer2 said:
Yep, nobody will be any happier than Gary if Kennedy returns because he appreciates the contributions Kennedy makes this year, let alone what he might coñtribute next year as a senior. Gary doesn't act like his info is set in stone, he just gives us the inside scuttlebutt that he's privy to with his AAU connections. Take it for what you think it's worth. Most of us appreciate him sharing it with us. I, for one, put more credence in his info that that of most "insiders" on this board.
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Thanks, Arch... I really do hope Kennedy changes his mind. I asked again last weekend in fact, but...(sigh)......
 
imajericho said:
He has played. He would have to apply for a medical redshirt and I am not sure he would get it. He played in a good chunk of games. And, since Duke is so weak inside, I think they need him in the tournament. I don't see a redshirt for him. Not with the firepower in the next recruiting class behind him which will relegate him to the bench.
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You're wrong. If he doesn't play again this year, he can redshirt. In fact, that's what they will most likely do.
 
If Kennedy and JJ leave I think Pinson is the key next year. We know Berry, Britt, and Hicks will be pretty good but Pinson has the best chance to be another guy who is truly dynamic. We will need our backcourt to be very good next year. With extended playing time Theo will only get better. Can he consistently make shots? That is what can make him a big time player.
 
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http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft

This is the most detailed mock draft I could find. As you will note, the only UNC player listed in the first two rounds, Brice at 10. Hopefully, that means Kennedy, Isaiah, and JJ will all return. Obviously, this could change as the season plays out and with the possibility that one of these guys goes off down the stretch. But if none of them explodes, I believe they' ll all be back. JMHO.
 
imajericho said:
He has played. He would have to apply for a medical redshirt and I am not sure he would get it. He played in a good chunk of games. And, since Duke is so weak inside, I think they need him in the tournament. I don't see a redshirt for him. Not with the firepower in the next recruiting class behind him which will relegate him to the bench.
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Giles starts. That's a given. But Jefferson could easily be the #2 front court guy.

Jeter should be up to speed as a soph. That could be a really good rotation. Plus they have DeLaurier and Obi and Vrankovic as backups.

It will be interesting to see Duke go from a team with virtually no front court to a team with a loaded front court.

It will also be interesting to see if K can con Allen into returning. The mocks I looked at have him as a 1st round pick.
 
Archer2 said:
http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft

This is the most detailed mock draft I could find. As you will note, the only UNC player listed in the first two rounds, Brice at 10. Hopefully, that means Kennedy, Isaiah, and JJ will all return. Obviously, this could change as the season plays out and with the possibility that one of these guys goes off down the stretch. But if none of them explodes, I believe they' ll all be back. JMHO.
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A week or so ago they had Brice in the 2nd round.

With Justin putting it together at just the right time, I think he'll be back in the1st round of the mocks very soon. Doesn't mean he'll necessarily leave, but most of us thought he would, so it shouldn't be a surprise.

You can imagine the pros saying "yeah, we like you, but give us a full year of that if you want to be a lottery pick." You can also imagine 1 or more teams guaranteeing that they will pick him in the 1st round if he is available.
 
Sk1310 said:
You're wrong. If he doesn't play again this year, he can redshirt. In fact, that's what they will most likely do.
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Sorry forgot you were an expert. You aren't though. In fact, most are clamoring he is set to return vs... UNC.
 
Steat said:
Who starts at the 5 for Duke? "China Shop" Giles?
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Everybody seems to think he can play either front line position. So can Jefferson. Jeter may get there, too, although I suspect he's more likely to blossom as a junior. Classic example of a high-ranked kid who wasn't ready to make the transition. Roy would have played him a lot more minutes and he would be further along now.

Here's a question: if Giles had come to UNC and if Meeks went pro, what position would Giles play for us?
 
imajericho said:
Sorry forgot you were an expert. You aren't though. In fact, most are clamoring he is set to return vs... UNC.
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This is why I mentioned Zeller.

Zeller could have red-shirted as a frosh, but chose to come back. But Zeller had 3 more years of eligibility and didn't expect to be around to be a 5th year senior. And that's how it played out (even though he was also injured as a soph).

But Jefferson has a different decision. If he comes back, he's unlikely to be particularly good. So it's unlikely to help him in the NBA draft.

He could be giving up a chance at an NBA career if he comes back and isn't a star. Up to him, obviously, but if he were my son, I'd tell him to redshirt.

Giving up a year of eligibility and a shot at the NBA just to help Duke win another game or 2 in the NCAAT seems like a truly awful tradeoff.
 
gary-7 said:
Not sure why you're including utterly meaningless (and that's being kind) rankings, and unless he has a change of heart (hope he does, but...) Meeks ain't coming back. Jackson is more likely to return than Meeks, but I wouldn't pin any hopes on it.

With the disclaimer that if we win it all, then all bets are off --- I believe there is a very good likelihood (even if we do win it) we have a starting lineup of Berry/Williams/Pinson/Hicks/Bradley (that's 4 Burger-Boys for those counting), with Britt reprising this season's role along with Woods at Guard, Robinson (and Rush if he's ready) getting time at the 3, and Maye the primary backup up front. As someone posted ITT it would not surprise me to see Roy pick up another Big body.

We can still be pretty doggone good, with JB being the key component.
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If Meeks leaves than I think a big man grad transfer would be very interested in UNC, that player would have a very good chance at starting alongside Hicks.
 
gary-7 said:
Not sure why you're including utterly meaningless (and that's being kind) rankings, and unless he has a change of heart (hope he does, but...) Meeks ain't coming back. Jackson is more likely to return than Meeks, but I wouldn't pin any hopes on it.

With the disclaimer that if we win it all, then all bets are off --- I believe there is a very good likelihood (even if we do win it) we have a starting lineup of Berry/Williams/Pinson/Hicks/Bradley (that's 4 Burger-Boys for those counting), with Britt reprising this season's role along with Woods at Guard, Robinson (and Rush if he's ready) getting time at the 3, and Maye the primary backup up front. As someone posted ITT it would not surprise me to see Roy pick up another Big body.

We can still be pretty doggone good, with JB being the key component.
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As I said, the HS ratings are there for those who find them useful. We know you don't. Why the fuss?

I don't doubt your report that Meeks intended to go pro after this year. If he had shown a motor that had the scouts excited that would make perfect sense. But he hasn't. Assuming he doesn't have a Sean May postseason, where do you see him drafted? I don't see him listed on the couple of mocks I checked.

Point being that his play has not shown him to be serious about leaving. Unlike JP, I've seen no evidence that he's unhappy. But maybe he hides it well.

If I'm a pro team, I'd certainly spend a mid-to-late 2nd round pick on him, hoping that I could figure out how to light a fire under him. But I wouldn't spend a lot on a kid who doesn't seem that interested and might only be a practice player.

But mid-to-late-to-undrafted is not what I'd like to see Meeks settle for. I'd like to see him come back with the mental commitment to raise his stock.

As for Justin, I just think his game is finally back. And he'll prove that to the scouts over the next month. It's only a matter whether he wants to come back. He probably isn't a lottery pick this year even if he continues to show his stuff. He might be next year. So there's that to think about.
 
johnhelvete said:
If Meeks leaves than I think a big man grad transfer would be very interested in UNC, that player would have a very good chance at starting alongside Hicks.
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Fair point. Hicks, Bradly and Maye leaves us pretty thin. Feast to famine compared with this year. Unless Bradley and Maye are ready to go. Even then, not much room for any kind of let-up.

Even worse if Justin leaves, since he can play the 4 in a pinch. In fact we could have a pretty awesome small lineup with

Berry
Woods (or whoever)
Pinson
Jackson
Hicks

I'm not sure we'd want to see that be our main lineup. Not the sort of thing Roy seems to like, either.
 
Jackson is not going back folks. Gone.. Also, Jefferson is a senior.
 
What Would Jesus Do? said:
Fair point. Hicks, Bradly and Maye leaves us pretty thin. Feast to famine compared with this year. Unless Bradley and Maye are ready to go. Even then, not much room for any kind of let-up.

Even worse if Justin leaves, since he can play the 4 in a pinch. In fact we could have a pretty awesome small lineup with

Berry
Woods (or whoever)
Pinson
Jackson
Hicks

I'm not sure we'd want to see that be our main lineup. Not the sort of thing Roy seems to like, either.
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Rankings are what they are. Case in point the grossly over-ranked Jeter or on the other extreme, the fact that AAU cognescenti still laugh derisively about Berry not being a top-10 overall. Now, Tatum can flat-out play --- I don't care what he's ranked --- and I absolutely hate that he's going to dook. 7th is grossly under-ranked, all because he tried to make himself into a PG. None of it matters one iota --- it'll all flesh out in college. And it absolutely makes my head hurt when I see Carolina folks assuming Maye was just gonna be a warm body because some goobers who couldn't make a lay-up in an empty gym give him a triple-digit ranking.

Anyway, I'll tell you now Tony Bradley can easily be a good starter for us if that is needed --- and barring some last-minute changes/additions that is a very strong possibility (and FYI, Jackson doesn't play the 4 even in small lineups --- that is Theo).
 
imajericho said:
Sorry forgot you were an expert. You aren't though. In fact, most are clamoring he is set to return vs... UNC.
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It is correct that if Jefferson doesn't play another game this season, he can in fact apply for a medical redshirt, and will more than likely get one. I don't understand why you cannot see that.

If Jefferson comes back to play, then of course, there would be no medical redshirt.

Pretty cut and dry, no expert needed.
 
lewisj008 said:
It is correct that if Jefferson doesn't play another game this season, he can in fact apply for a medical redshirt, and will more than likely get one. I don't understand why you cannot see that.

If Jefferson comes back to play, then of course, there would be no medical redshirt.

Pretty cut and dry, no expert needed.
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No one is disputing that.
 
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