Very quick stuff (BC game 2)...

[gary-7]

...and "How to keep an inferior team in a game for 200, Alex".

"What is (and you probably saw the graphic) shoot the lowest pct in a win in UNC history?"
DING DING DING!.

- So yeah, some gawdawful shooting (something that fortunately hasn't been a bugaboo of this year's team... at least until tonight). OK, it happens, but it's WHY much of it happened that was an issue we can see again.

- On that note, for sake of accuracy and fairness, the game environment was established early by a cliche-level incompetent officiating job --- as in calling ticky-tack stuff while allowing no-dismemberment-no foul in the paint. OK... so that's the way it's gonna be? Then it's up to our guys to recognize and play thru it. You do NOT accomplish that by half-assing shots and playing volletball with put-back attempts. SNATCH the damn ball and dunk on some mofos' heads.

- You also can't accomplish what you need to by forfeiting 50/50 loose balls by being out-scrapped. Hell, I was gratified when Puff hit the floor for one --- it may have been the first. The good news is that when things got sketchy after the under-4, we finally got serious about the value of securing the rock --- and that ultimately saved the game.

- The net result of all this was allowing a physical BC team to ugly-up the game and play at their tempo --- which is exactly how you allow them to have a chance. I would've also liked to have seen more pressure. We ran 44 once and got a turnover... why not more?

- On positive notes, it was good to see little RJ mix it up and snare some contested rebounds and Caleb pull off some tough drives (thru mucho uncalled contact). Also, one of the unsung positives was Bacot's good defensive footwork --- not just man-up, but in doing a good job of "mirroring" the ball while in "help" responsibility without losing close-out range for his man. The deterred some of the drives we've been vulnerable to recently.

- Finally, the ultimate positve note was this: We won. In fact, the ironically positive note was exactly what we started with --- doing that with the lowest shooting pct in a win in UNC history. And make no mistake --- there's something to be said for that.

Anyway, let's move on by recognizing that we've seen losses in games like these in the past --- even by good editions of UNC teams --- so let's take it and move on, hopefully bringing something closer to our A-game to the wuffies. Perhaps Ol' Roy can give the team an inspirational pre-game pep talk on the merits of State-hate...

 

[alabamaheel]

...and "How to keep an inferior team in a game for 200, Alex".

"What is (and you probably saw the graphic) shoot the lowest pct in a win in UNC history?"
DING DING DING!.

- So yeah, some gawdawful shooting (something that fortunately hasn't been a bugaboo of this year's team... at least until tonight). OK, it happens, but it's WHY much of it happened that was an issue we can see again.

- On that note, for sake of accuracy and fairness, the game environment was established early by a cliche-level incompetent officiating job --- as in calling ticky-tack stuff while allowing no-dismemberment-no foul in the paint. OK... so that's the way it's gonna be? Then it's up to our guys to recognize and play thru it. You do NOT accomplish that by half-assing shots and playing volletball with put-back attempts. SNATCH the damn ball and dunk on some mofos' heads.

- You also can't accomplish what you need to by forfeiting 50/50 loose balls by being out-scrapped. Hell, I was gratified when Puff hit the floor for one --- it may have been the first. The good news is that when things got sketchy after the under-4, we finally got serious about the value of securing the rock --- and that ultimately saved the game.

- The net result of all this was allowing a physical BC team to ugly-up the game and play at their tempo --- which is exactly how you allow them to have a chance. I would've also liked to have seen more pressure. We ran 44 once and got a turnover... why not more?

- On positive notes, it was good to see little RJ mix it up and snare some contested rebounds and Caleb pull off some tough drives (thru mucho uncalled contact). Also, one of the unsung positives was Bacot's good defensive footwork --- not just man-up, but in doing a good job of "mirroring" the ball while in "help" responsibility without losing close-out range for his man. The deterred some of the drives we've been vulnerable to recently.

- Finally, the ultimate positve note was this: We won. In fact, the ironically positive note was exactly what we started with --- doing that with the lowest shooting pct in a win in UNC history. And make no mistake --- there's something to be said for that.

Anyway, let's move on by recognizing that we've seen losses in games like these in the past --- even by good editions of UNC teams --- so let's take it and move on, hopefully bringing something closer to our A-game to the wuffies. Perhaps Ol' Roy can give the team an inspirational pre-game pep talk on the merits of State-hate...

Nice write up Gary. And I agree they were letting them bang so why not put your man in the hoop with the ball. The one time he tried, bacot got the foul call.

 

[notashelbyfan]

...and "How to keep an inferior team in a game for 200, Alex".

"What is (and you probably saw the graphic) shoot the lowest pct in a win in UNC history?"
DING DING DING!.

- So yeah, some gawdawful shooting (something that fortunately hasn't been a bugaboo of this year's team... at least until tonight). OK, it happens, but it's WHY much of it happened that was an issue we can see again.

- On that note, for sake of accuracy and fairness, the game environment was established early by a cliche-level incompetent officiating job --- as in calling ticky-tack stuff while allowing no-dismemberment-no foul in the paint. OK... so that's the way it's gonna be? Then it's up to our guys to recognize and play thru it. You do NOT accomplish that by half-assing shots and playing volletball with put-back attempts. SNATCH the damn ball and dunk on some mofos' heads.

- You also can't accomplish what you need to by forfeiting 50/50 loose balls by being out-scrapped. Hell, I was gratified when Puff hit the floor for one --- it may have been the first. The good news is that when things got sketchy after the under-4, we finally got serious about the value of securing the rock --- and that ultimately saved the game.

- The net result of all this was allowing a physical BC team to ugly-up the game and play at their tempo --- which is exactly how you allow them to have a chance. I would've also liked to have seen more pressure. We ran 44 once and got a turnover... why not more?

- On positive notes, it was good to see little RJ mix it up and snare some contested rebounds and Caleb pull off some tough drives (thru mucho uncalled contact). Also, one of the unsung positives was Bacot's good defensive footwork --- not just man-up, but in doing a good job of "mirroring" the ball while in "help" responsibility without losing close-out range for his man. The deterred some of the drives we've been vulnerable to recently.

- Finally, the ultimate positve note was this: We won. In fact, the ironically positive note was exactly what we started with --- doing that with the lowest shooting pct in a win in UNC history. And make no mistake --- there's something to be said for that.

Anyway, let's move on by recognizing that we've seen losses in games like these in the past --- even by good editions of UNC teams --- so let's take it and move on, hopefully bringing something closer to our A-game to the wuffies. Perhaps Ol' Roy can give the team an inspirational pre-game pep talk on the merits of State-hate...

We shot 17 more free-throws then BC! This is the reason our piss poor play didn't cost us the game!

I'm almost thinking you are implying that the refs being bad is why it was such a close game?

 

[gary-7]

We shot 17 more free-throws then BC! This is the reason our piss poor play didn't cost us the game!

I'm almost thinking you are implying that the refs being bad is why it was such a close game?

"Almost thinking" seems to be the norm for you, huh?

 

[Indy_Heel]

I didn’t get a chance to see the first half. But late in the game I’m sure we were just trying to run some clock but the ball never went inside or tried to then we were left with a last second to just put it up before the shot clock violation. Seems like AB is getting a little tired with Garcia not in the lineup. Started the second half the VT game with him. He was getting beat around with some no calls. And started missing all his shots. Then it continued tonight. Like Gary said tonight was a lot of volleyball instead of gathering and going up strong. Tonight they would play some great D then just look lost. But we still won. I hope they get this shooting figured out before next game!

 

[notashelbyfan]

"Almost thinking" seems to be the norm for you, huh?

Maybe but I'm not the one that complained about the refs when we won a game that we shot 17 more freethrows then our opponent!

 

[gobblercalls]

Shooting percentages, rebounding instead of volleyballing, dunking instead of weak layups, are all a result of tired legs. Every starter played 34+ minutes each of the last 2 games. Use the damn bench!!

 

[Lewis&Miller]

This team is so easily defended for its talent level. Simplistic is hyperbole. Hubert is afraid to make adjustments because this group cannot execute his base offense after 20 games. How could they be expected to go to something different or more effective? This was an awful BC team but battled and could have won the game if they had any talent. They were within 3 multiple times with the ball. As far as officiating, that was heavily in our favor last nite, no wonder we aren't successful on the road when the home team get that advantage. We shot 25 free throws, BC shot 8.

 

[Tarheel75]

Hello guys, been absent the last few games due to being busy with a building project with the family.

Winning is the bottom line no matter what the circumstances within games and that was the takeaway for Gary and myself as well, and I am sure it's the same for most folks.

This game was a hard one to watch, but it did help in some other ways. It impressed upon the players that to win some games...., particularly games in which you can't throw it in the ocean from a boat, you can still win by playing good defense.

From my seat, what I saw may help in understanding why these games come about from time to time. Bacot is 2 of his last 23 shots after hitting his first 6 shots against VT and has missed literally 31 shots around the rim since. Why? There are several reasons.

First, understand that he is playing with a sore thumb and wrist and still feeling the effects of the fall he took in the previous game that injured his elbow and tailbone some too. So, these types of nagging but minor injuries affect your play and most times negatively as we have seen in his shooting. Second, as I have pointed out before that all of our big men ( Bacot-Manek-Garcia) tend to shoot the ball off balance- too hard-too quick, and at angles that make it very difficult to impossible for the ball to go in the basket and the end results are, that they look awkward, unbalanced, and rushed, which they are. I do believe that I have mentioned this several times before.

FOR ALL: Bacot came back out after the game still in uniform and was still out working on his post moves when our group left the arena.

If you were in attendance, you would have seen that the guys were gassed at times due to playing hard defensively....., you have to give them some credit here and understand that there will be some trade-offs in some games, if you play more than 3 games within a week especially, you do get tired, and it does not matter how refined and well-conditioned of an athlete you are. It appeared to the group I was with, that fatigue was the mitigating factor in our poor shooting, so take that for what it's worth.

The players will have tomorrow off by NCAA rules, so a day's rest before a light practice on Friday should recharge their batteries hopefully. We need to be better with NC State coming in, they are better than their record and could give us some problems if Garcia is not back to help with our short bench. Puff has been a helpful addition in the rotation and will contribute more as he gets conditioned and familiar to the speed of the game.

Another point I want to make is that the spring semester is underway and new courses-professors & classes take some of the focus off ball games at times until a comfortable routine has been established. It did with me and my teammates, as well as subsequent players and teams, and I remember this being a point of discussion in team meetings with our coaches and tutors.

Well..., we are 14-6 and what..., a 1/2 game out of 1st place? Also, we are about to head into the toughest stretch of our season of conference play. The lack of consistency with this team's play makes it impossible to predict how it's going to go.

For me, I will continue to hope for the best and be prepared for the worst.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

With all the negativity in cyber land there must be some kind of mental block preventing peeps from noticing we are challenging for the #1 seed in the ACC! We have issues but we aren't the only ones. All top 25 teams have struggled to beat unranked opponents this year and I haven't seen one team that we couldn't beat! I hope we avoid the teams with physical and experienced guards in the Tourney, but I am still confident we could make some serious noise this year! We could also flame out horribly and lose in the 1st round, but so can every team I have watched. I'm more worried about Texas Tech and Baylor than I am about Kentuck, puke, and Kansas combined!

Someone please tell me the name of the mythical bball coach that came in fully formed! Tell me one coach that didn't need to grow into his craft! Calling yourself a Tar Heel fan and implying Hubs isn't the right choice before he finishes his first season is sublimely ridiculous! (and a little shameful!) One could choose to be supportive, but that is the road not taken for many because it appears a little too hard. Easy is the way these days! Suggesting ways we could improve or pointing out inconsistent play/effort/defensive concentration is sensible; implying that Hubs either doesn't know how to coach them up or doesn't know what is wrong is hubris at best! (AND there is nothing easier than armchair coaching!)

 

[ACokeForRoy]

I believe fatigue is also settling in which to be expected when HD hasn't done much to build depth in his rotation. HD had opportunities to do this early on but chose not to. You can't run your starters in the ground and expect a good showing during a stretch such as this.

 

[uncfootball-]

Reading this thread a movie quote came to mind.

"The encounter was a victory, but we show it as an example of what not to do."

Any idea what movie?

 

[tarheel0910]

Reading this thread a movie quote came to mind.

"The encounter was a victory, but we show it as an example of what not to do."

Any idea what movie?

Debbie Does Dallas?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

When do we expect Dawson back? Anybody know or have a good idea?

 

[DrJaaay]

Am I the only one that thought Caleb shot the ball 95% of the time he touched it during the last four minutes or so? Is that what he's being coached to do? I know he's good at the line to close out the game, but most of his shots during this time we're pull up jumpers not designed to get to the line. By the way, he didn't make many of those shots. Glad to get the win though. Go Heels !!!

 

[Bubspub88]

Reading this thread a movie quote came to mind.

"The encounter was a victory, but we show it as an example of what not to do."

Any idea what movie?

Top Gun??

 

[uncfootball-]

Top Gun??

Correct.

 

[gary-7]

late in the game I’m sure we were just trying to run some clock but the ball never went inside or tried to then we were left with a last second to just put it up before the shot clock violation.

That's a good point I should've mentioned --- we did settle into surround-ball at odd times. I suppose it's understandable from players' perspectives when you're not geting rewarded for your paint efforts, but that honestly quelled our momentum. Can't give up on the bread-and-butter.

 

[gary-7]

Maybe but I'm not the one that complained about the refs when we won a game that we shot 17 more freethrows then our opponent!

Seems I gave you too much credit...

 

[gary-7]

impressed upon the players that to win some games...., particularly games in which you can't throw it in the ocean from a boat, you can still win by playing good defense.

First, understand that he is playing with a sore thumb and wrist and still feeling the effects of the fall he took in the previous game that injured his elbow and tailbone some too.

Well..., we are 14-6 and what..., a 1/2 game out of 1st place? Also, we are about to head into the toughest stretch of our season of conference play. The lack of consistency with this team's play makes it impossible to predict how it's going to go.

Great points, and I was remiss for not mentioning Bacot's injuries.
And again, even legendary UNC teams have had stinkers, and winning one of such historic shooting stinkage should not be sneezed at... all the while holding our collective noses...

 

[IDUNK4HEELS]

Hello guys, been absent the last few games due to being busy with a building project with the family.

Winning is the bottom line no matter what the circumstances within games and that was the takeaway for Gary and myself as well, and I am sure it's the same for most folks.

This game was a hard one to watch, but it did help in some other ways. It impressed upon the players that to win some games...., particularly games in which you can't throw it in the ocean from a boat, you can still win by playing good defense.

From my seat, what I saw may help in understanding why these games come about from time to time. Bacot is 2 of his last 23 shots after hitting his first 6 shots against VT and has missed literally 31 shots around the rim since. Why? There are several reasons.

First, understand that he is playing with a sore thumb and wrist and still feeling the effects of the fall he took in the previous game that injured his elbow and tailbone some too. So, these types of nagging but minor injuries affect your play and most times negatively as we have seen in his shooting. Second, as I have pointed out before that all of our big men ( Bacot-Manek-Garcia) tend to shoot the ball off balance- too hard-too quick, and at angles that make it very difficult to impossible for the ball to go in the basket and the end results are, that they look awkward, unbalanced, and rushed, which they are. I do believe that I have mentioned this several times before.

FOR ALL: Bacot came back out after the game still in uniform and was still out working on his post moves when our group left the arena.

If you were in attendance, you would have seen that the guys were gassed at times due to playing hard defensively....., you have to give them some credit here and understand that there will be some trade-offs in some games, if you play more than 3 games within a week especially, you do get tired, and it does not matter how refined and well-conditioned of an athlete you are. It appeared to the group I was with, that fatigue was the mitigating factor in our poor shooting, so take that for what it's worth.

The players will have tomorrow off by NCAA rules, so a day's rest before a light practice on Friday should recharge their batteries hopefully. We need to be better with NC State coming in, they are better than their record and could give us some problems if Garcia is not back to help with our short bench. Puff has been a helpful addition in the rotation and will contribute more as he gets conditioned and familiar to the speed of the game.

Another point I want to make is that the spring semester is underway and new courses-professors & classes take some of the focus off ball games at times until a comfortable routine has been established. It did with me and my teammates, as well as subsequent players and teams, and I remember this being a point of discussion in team meetings with our coaches and tutors.

Well..., we are 14-6 and what..., a 1/2 game out of 1st place? Also, we are about to head into the toughest stretch of our season of conference play. The lack of consistency with this team's play makes it impossible to predict how it's going to go.

For me, I will continue to hope for the best and be prepared for the worst.

No question the best post I have read in a month. Instead of finding fault and complaining unfairly about the coaching and players, Tar Heel75 has given some real reasons of what is happening and why it is happening.

This poster sounds like a ex player who like Bill Chamberlain who I like to read and respond to has been a player in the system who knows the inside and out of the Carolina system and what really goes on when you put on a Carolina uniform.

The many and I mean many Couch Coaches who could not even win against a PS5 team need to have some patience and just try and understand that today’s basketball game and players are different than they were in Dean Smith and Roy Williams era.

 

[Tarheel75]

That's a good point I should've mentioned --- we did settle into surround-ball at odd times. I suppose it's understandable from players' perspectives when you're not geting rewarded for your paint efforts, but that honestly quelled our momentum. Can't give up on the bread-and-butter.

Another point that I did not mention within my post Gary. Our big guys have to develop that 6th sense when positioning themselves in the block or painted area. As a big, I learned that if I were not within a specific area that I practiced in and was very comfortably positioned..., when I received a pass, I was automatically looking to pass back out and re-establish position in my comfort zone to get the next pass and be fundamentally sound foundation wise and could square up and release the ball just enough to get it either off the backboard or through the net as practiced ad nauseum.

Coach Gut was a marvel with big men and he put us through the drills consistently enough, that if we got the ball within our comfort zone and were sound on our foundation, we could very quickly turn off either shoulder needed and make the baskets with a very respectable degree of success, usually somewhere around 52-60% and that dog will hunt.

What I have witnessed with our bigs is that they are not getting their positions established soon enough and in the correct areas of the block or they are being rooted out by the defender(s) which is either they are not strong enough to establish and maintain those positions or that they are not getting or beating their defender(s) to their spots. With Garcia & Manek it appears to me and my group's eyes, that they simply are not strong enough depending on the defender.

With Armando, due to the offense and the way we are running it, he is out on the perimeter catching and returning a pass and then going to the post and trying to establish position which makes getting optimum position quite difficult many times.

While Armando is strong enough, he, at times will get called for fouls trying to fight for that optimum position. So..., it boils down to a quandary or Catch-22 in the post in too many of our possessions. This is something that Sean and the other coaches need to work on with all the bigs.

On another level, our other players need to be in tune with this and just not take long jumpers because the post man passes the ball back out. That's usually handled by signs to the rest of the players that "hey, I'm passing it back out and repositioning, so look for me quickly again". From my experience watching the team, this does not happen and most of the time either 2 guards or the wing will take a long shot before even considering a re-entry pass to the post. I just think that this is poor offensive judgment on the part of the guards and wings and has been precipitated by the "get your shots up" AAU ball.

 

[DSouthr]

This was a very good for them, maybe not the best from them but good for them. Some times you just have to grind it out, offensive production just is not there every night. BC wanted to win this game to and they are not the push over that many seem to feel they are. Bacot struggled to score for sure and yes fatigue was a part of that but he battled against 3 guys with good size, strength, that played really physical, and did so on a short rest turn around game. Yes, 75 is right, Bacot would do well to grab the ball and find his balance before going back up but a lot of those tip in attempts all he could do was tip it. Don't forget, the kid did snag 18 rebounds, can not accuse Bacot of not working hard in there.

The theme post game seems to be aimed more at our poor offensive night, we held them to under 50pts for the game, don't blow that fact off as un-important. In order to win ugly games you have to defend, all teams have to win ugly at times, this was a good win even if ugly. Keep in mind early season we drilled BC, think they didn't remember what the Heels did to them and want a little pay back for that? It is always harder to beat a team for the second time in a season and no team likes being embarrassed, you don't see a lot of teams blow out the same opponent twice in the same season.

Offensively, a missing element that I really want to see is us setting a lot more screens, guys linger to much out side waiting for the ball, screen, screen for the screener, pop off screens as the ball rotates. Our stretch 4s, Manek and Garcia (IF Garcia returns) I want them to flash as the ball rotates out to the 3 but if it isn't there don't just linger, cut down.

I was impressed with how hard RJ worked on the defensive end, lots of fighting thru screens, could have done without those couple flash the ball un-forced TOs but over all felt RJ upped his game. Absolutely loved watching Puff come out and play with spirit, felt he effected the game in a way that Theo early on (as a frosh and soph) did, just seemed to be involved in the action spot on both ends.

I think gary spoke to this last week, I want to reaffirm how important it is to have active hands when big men try to post us up. While it is a timing thing and does require awareness (which is not our specialty LOL) but you can never allow a big man to spin toward the lane and not having hands looking to strip him, when a big man puts the ball on the floor you have to attack his dribble, like to see us do a more consistent job of that. WE did force BC to have to start their offense really high for the most part, that made the shot clock our friend.

Finally, gary spoke to this point as well, to shoot this poorly and still win is a very important lesson to be learned, that some times you have to defend hard and hit your free throws when one of those off shooting nights come. It re-enforces the work hard on defense and you can win some of these games that have not been going our way. Last night FINALLY it did not take us having a really strong offensive performance for us to show some hard work on the defensive end! This team has a habit of their offense initiating hard work on defense rather than allowing our defense to initiate our offense as we use to understand is how Carolina ball has been played since Dean Smith was hired as our head coach.

 

[DSouthr]

Another point that I did not mention within my post Gary. Our big guys have to develop that 6th sense when positioning themselves in the block or painted area. As a big, I learned that if I were not within a specific area that I practiced in and was very comfortably positioned..., when I received a pass, I was automatically looking to pass back out and re-establish position in my comfort zone to get the next pass and be fundamentally sound foundation wise and could square up and release the ball just enough to get it either off the backboard or through the net as practiced ad nauseum.

Coach Gut was a marvel with big men and he put us through the drills consistently enough, that if we got the ball within our comfort zone and were sound on our foundation, we could very quickly turn off either shoulder needed and make the baskets with a very respectable degree of success, usually somewhere around 52-60% and that dog will hunt.

What I have witnessed with our bigs is that they are not getting their positions established soon enough and in the correct areas of the block or they are being rooted out by the defender(s) which is either they are not strong enough to establish and maintain those positions or that they are not getting or beating their defender(s) to their spots. With Garcia & Manek it appears to me and my groups eyes, that they simply are not strong enough depending on the defender.

With Armando, due to the offense and the way we are running it, he is out on the perimeter catching and returning a pass and then going to the post and trying to establish position which makes getting optimum position quite difficult many times.

While Armando is strong enough, he, at times will get called for fouls trying to fight for that optimum position. So..., it boils down to a quandary or Catch-22 in the post in too many of our possessions. This is something that Sean and the other coaches need to work on with all the bigs.

On another level, our other players need to be in tune with this and just not take long jumpers because the post man passes the ball back out. That's usually handled by signs to the rest of the players that "hey, I'm passing it back out and repositioning, so look for me quickly again". From my experience watching the team, this does not happen and most of the time either 2 guards or the wing will take a long shot before even considering a re-entry pass to the post. I just think that this is poor offensive judgment on the part of the guards and wings and has been precipitated by the "get your shots up" AAU ball.

Yeah, point nailed in that the big men are just not going to continue to kick it out and re-post if the ball is not going to come back after the re-post. It just isn't coming back in so rather than kick it back Bacot is trying to make chicken salad from a harder attempt that is not in his sweet spot or off balance. There needs to be trust there, just like if a big man runs the court on a break you have to try to reward him if it is there, that keeps them willing to run the court hard.

 

[ACokeForRoy]

Am I the only one that thought Caleb shot the ball 95% of the time he touched it during the last four minutes or so? Is that what he's being coached to do? I know he's good at the line to close out the game, but most of his shots during this time we're pull up jumpers not designed to get to the line. By the way, he didn't make many of those shots. Glad to get the win though. Go Heels !!!

Caleb gets into these selfish modes where he thinks nobody else on the floor is capable except for himself. I was hoping that he would develop into a floor general, get my teammates in position type of player but the more I watch the more I see a lot of Russel Westbrook. Score first, worry about my teammates second. This team needs a leader and floor general at the PG spot.

 

[DSouthr]

Caleb gets into these selfish modes where he thinks nobody else on the floor is capable except for himself. I was hoping that he would develop into a floor general, get my teammates in position type of player but the more I watch the more I see a lot of Russel Westbrook. Score first, worry about my teammates second. This team needs a leader and floor general at the PG spot.

Or James Harden...

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Thanks for mentioning that Bigs will work harder and go through their progressions IF they trust the littles to do the same. If I beat my man down court, I should receive the ball 100% of the time! If I post, kick, re-post-the little should improve his angle and feed me. If I beat my man to the spot AND put up the ready signal (with the proper hand) I need to see a little hustling to get the proper angle to feed me! ONCE the bigs start to command defensive attention (because the littles feed them properly) the kick out game becomes even more effective! Our O is based on the cyclical nature of true synergy BUT we have peeps that just haven't let it become second nature! Trust is important and I think it suffers if peeps go into "hero" mode! Puff has been outstanding in the intangibles department so I expect to see increased PT AND increased team success when his attitude becomes contagious!

 

[Bubspub88]

Bacot's injury has me nervous. Obviously it is impacting his shooting, from 65% to 33%, 39% and 10% last 3 games. In the meat of conf play there is no time to rest, and Garcia's absence is forcing him to play even more minutes.

 

[gary-7]

Another point that I did not mention within my post Gary. Our big guys have to develop that 6th sense when positioning themselves in the block or painted area. As a big, I learned that if I were not within a specific area that I practiced in and was very comfortably positioned..., when I received a pass, I was automatically looking to pass back out and re-establish position in my comfort zone to get the next pass and be fundamentally sound foundation wise and could square up and release the ball just enough to get it either off the backboard or through the net as practiced ad nauseum.

Coach Gut was a marvel with big men and he put us through the drills consistently enough, that if we got the ball within our comfort zone and were sound on our foundation, we could very quickly turn off either shoulder needed and make the baskets with a very respectable degree of success, usually somewhere around 52-60% and that dog will hunt.

What I have witnessed with our bigs is that they are not getting their positions established soon enough and in the correct areas of the block or they are being rooted out by the defender(s) which is either they are not strong enough to establish and maintain those positions or that they are not getting or beating their defender(s) to their spots. With Garcia & Manek it appears to me and my groups eyes, that they simply are not strong enough depending on the defender.

With Armando, due to the offense and the way we are running it, he is out on the perimeter catching and returning a pass and then going to the post and trying to establish position which makes getting optimum position quite difficult many times.

While Armando is strong enough, he, at times will get called for fouls trying to fight for that optimum position. So..., it boils down to a quandary or Catch-22 in the post in too many of our possessions. This is something that Sean and the other coaches need to work on with all the bigs.

On another level, our other players need to be in tune with this and just not take long jumpers because the post man passes the ball back out. That's usually handled by signs to the rest of the players that "hey, I'm passing it back out and repositioning, so look for me quickly again". From my experience watching the team, this does not happen and most of the time either 2 guards or the wing will take a long shot before even considering a re-entry pass to the post. I just think that this is poor offensive judgment on the part of the guards and wings and has been precipitated by the "get your shots up" AAU ball.

Good stuff on all that.

 

[dlew71]

Another point that I did not mention within my post Gary. Our big guys have to develop that 6th sense when positioning themselves in the block or painted area. As a big, I learned that if I were not within a specific area that I practiced in and was very comfortably positioned..., when I received a pass, I was automatically looking to pass back out and re-establish position in my comfort zone to get the next pass and be fundamentally sound foundation wise and could square up and release the ball just enough to get it either off the backboard or through the net as practiced ad nauseum.

Coach Gut was a marvel with big men and he put us through the drills consistently enough, that if we got the ball within our comfort zone and were sound on our foundation, we could very quickly turn off either shoulder needed and make the baskets with a very respectable degree of success, usually somewhere around 52-60% and that dog will hunt.

What I have witnessed with our bigs is that they are not getting their positions established soon enough and in the correct areas of the block or they are being rooted out by the defender(s) which is either they are not strong enough to establish and maintain those positions or that they are not getting or beating their defender(s) to their spots. With Garcia & Manek it appears to me and my group's eyes, that they simply are not strong enough depending on the defender.

With Armando, due to the offense and the way we are running it, he is out on the perimeter catching and returning a pass and then going to the post and trying to establish position which makes getting optimum position quite difficult many times.

While Armando is strong enough, he, at times will get called for fouls trying to fight for that optimum position. So..., it boils down to a quandary or Catch-22 in the post in too many of our possessions. This is something that Sean and the other coaches need to work on with all the bigs.

On another level, our other players need to be in tune with this and just not take long jumpers because the post man passes the ball back out. That's usually handled by signs to the rest of the players that "hey, I'm passing it back out and repositioning, so look for me quickly again". From my experience watching the team, this does not happen and most of the time either 2 guards or the wing will take a long shot before even considering a re-entry pass to the post. I just think that this is poor offensive judgment on the part of the guards and wings and has been precipitated by the "get your shots up" AAU ball.

Question, any insight into how Coach May approaches this topic in practice when working with the bigs?

 

[Tarheel75]

Question, any insight into how Coach May approaches this topic in practice when working with the bigs?

Unfortunately, I don’t. Sorry