Very quick stuff (ND gane 2)...

[gary-7]

...and all I can say is, I'll take ut.

- this is a team strugglinng with confidence, for a variety of previously-discussed reasons, and 2/23 from 3 and not finishing thru uncalled contact is a symptom more than a cause at this point.

- I appreciate Pete's effort tonight, but he should never play the 5... and Seth should never play the 1 --- at least not this seaosn.

- with that said, effort overcomes a lot, and the second half team effort was the best I've seen in over a month... and that alone got us a must win.

Will that carry further? I dunno. Guess we'll see Saturday...

Over and out til then...

 

[IDUNK4HEELS]

I too appreciate Nance’s effort tonight as he came thru with a double double along with a team leading 5 assist. For someone who has been everybody’s red headed step child this year he showed up tonight big time…

 

[gary-7]

I too appreciate Nance’s effort tonight as he came thru with a double double along with a team leading 5 assist. For someone who has been everybody’s red headed step child this year he showed up tonight big time…

Yes, and he actually made some good hi-lo entries to Mando. LONGGGG overdue,

 

[dtodd4475]

RJ had a huge bucket late in the clock, hopefully that helps him to find a groove. Need his shooting 2 - 23 as a team...sheesh. He plays hard, but ND followed the playbook and attacked him on dee regardless of the guy he was on. Need his stroke to come back.

15 -18 from the line was huge, Mando the only Heel to miss from the stripe, 2 -5 the rest a perfect 15 - 15. Caleb looking like last years version late at the line with two 1 and 1's that never even touched the rim.

ND had played Dook close, 68- 64 I think, at Dook, leading late on the road, then losing at the buzzer at Virginia in their last two, but we were lucky they are such a limited team.

Virginia is another shot at a quad 1 win. Huge game Saturday !!!

 

[DaSheed]

Here’s a stat that even the most devoted UNC fan doesn’t know about:

The win continues one of the most unusual streaks in Carolina basketball history. The Tar Heels now have a home-and-home season sweep over at least one Atlantic Coast Conference opponent in every season that the ACC has existed.

 

[notashelbyfan]

...and all I can say is, I'll take ut.

- this is a team strugglinng with confidence, for a variety of previously-discussed reasons, and 2/23 from 3 and not finishing thru uncalled contact is a symptom more than a cause at this point.

- I appreciate Pete's effort tonight, but he should never play the 5... and Seth should never play the 1 --- at least not this seaosn.

- with that said, effort overcomes a lot, and the second half team effort was the best I've seen in over a month... and that alone got us a must win.

Will that carry further? I dunno. Guess we'll see Saturday...

Over and out til then...

We made 15 they only shot 9 stop bitching about the damn refs!

 

[alabamaheel]

RJ had a huge bucket late in the clock, hopefully that helps him to find a groove. Need his shooting 2 - 23 as a team...sheesh. He plays hard, but ND followed the playbook and attacked him on dee regardless of the guy he was on. Need his stroke to come back.

15 -18 from the line was huge, Mando the only Heel to miss from the stripe, 2 -5 the rest a perfect 15 - 15. Caleb looking like last years version late at the line with two 1 and 1's that never even touched the rim.

ND had played Dook close, 68- 64 I think, at Dook, leading late on the road, then losing at the buzzer at Virginia in their last two, but we were lucky they are such a limited team.

Virginia is another shot at a quad 1 win. Huge game Saturday !!!

In RJs defense (no pun intended) he did pick up three fouls fairly early. Two of those were garbage and his fourth was crap. He was a matador after that for sure. He definitely needs more help than most but the help side is often not there. You can literally watch him steer his man to help with no avail. But on the other hand, teams should post him up more. Hard not to notice that .

 

[r_u_worthy]

Is the no help by Design? I get the 5 out spread stuff, but I don't get just allowing Teams to go after your shortest player over and over again- especially when he's got 4 fouls? I do think the offense-defense sub with Trimble and RJ and the end was a really good move. Actually, I think the staff did a good job with end of game management in this one. The out of bounds play that Leak rim stuffed himself on unfortuately & even the set with Leak taking the short player to the rim (but he missed the rim completely) were good calls. Activity on the boards made it work out anyway...

 

[alabamaheel]

Is the no help by Design? I get the 5 out spread stuff, but I don't get just allowing Teams to go after your shortest player over and over again- especially when he's got 4 fouls? I do think the offense-defense sub with Trimble and RJ and the end was a really good move. Actually, I think the staff did a good job with end of game management in this one. The out of bounds play that Leak rim stuffed himself on unfortuately & even the set with Leak taking the short player to the rim (but he missed the rim completely) were good calls. Activity on the boards made it work out anyway...

No doubt. And why Leaky can’t figure out to play that way the whole game is beyond me. They literally just wait for him to pass it while on the perimeter.
I’m gonna beat a dead horse with this but, the team literally doesn’t look to get Nickel the ball when wide open or any time. There may be something there but dang it’s frustrating to watch. Leaky was ok on defense but it’s hard to watch teams just dare him to shoot , while guarding the next pass. I feel if that were Tyler then it would open things up for everyone. Oh well.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Virginia is another shot at a quad 1 win. Huge game Saturday !!!

After losing to BC, if we beat them, they'll probably stop being Quad 1.

How's that for pessimism?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

We didn't deserve this win.

Sets up an interesting Saturday matchup with UVa, though. Both coming off disappointing games. Who will get the most motivation out of that?

In the old days we might have said UNC and UVa were looking ahead to their next game, and that's why they played poorly. Might be true for UVa, but I don't think our team looks ahead to the next pass, much less the next game.

 

[DrJaaay]

That game was ugly as heck. I thought we looked terrible, and I thought our coaching was terrible. My biggest take away, and this has been mentioned by others, but there is no joy on the floor. It's like noone wants to be out there. And Dewey was very angry about the teams lack of effort. Whatever the chemistry issue is, it's still there. Glad we got the win, but I don't expect many more. Hope I'm wrong. Go Heels !!!

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

The good news is that we got some help from Clemson and NC State - wins over the guys we had been tied with.

That could bode well for our path in the ACC tournament.

Still projected to tie at the end, but we might have already lost the 7 seed if those guys had won. OTOH, with UVa looking more vulnerable, that 7 seed isn't necessarily the safer path that it looked to be a week or 2 ago.

We'll see.

 

[gary-7]

We made 15 they only shot 9 stop bitching about the damn refs!

I didn't "bitch" about anything, but then you always find something to be an absurd ass about.

 

[gary-7]

I’m gonna beat a dead horse with this but, the team literally doesn’t look to get Nickel the ball when wide open or any time. There may be something there but dang it’s frustrating to watch. Leaky was ok on defense but it’s hard to watch teams just dare him to shoot , while guarding the next pass. I feel if that were Tyler then it would open things up for everyone. Oh well.

They indeed missed him more than once.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

RJ had a huge bucket late in the clock, hopefully that helps him to find a groove. Need his shooting 2 - 23 as a team...sheesh. He plays hard, but ND followed the playbook and attacked him on dee regardless of the guy he was on. Need his stroke to come back.

15 -18 from the line was huge, Mando the only Heel to miss from the stripe, 2 -5 the rest a perfect 15 - 15. Caleb looking like last years version late at the line with two 1 and 1's that never even touched the rim.

ND had played Dook close, 68- 64 I think, at Dook, leading late on the road, then losing at the buzzer at Virginia in their last two, but we were lucky they are such a limited team.

Virginia is another shot at a quad 1 win. Huge game Saturday !!!

ND, never led in the 2nd...they did whittle the lead down from 14 when duke hit a cold spell and made it way too close....Godwin was getting his Kobe Bryant fade away on...lol

 

[TPFKAPFS]

We certainly deserved the win! AND coaching was the reason we got it so.....

The players need to get their heads out of their collective arses and simply put forth effort for whole games! It is just that simple. Coaching is getting us wide open looks, some within inches of the rim and we are flat missing. We are watching balls hit the ground and not blocking out which gives peeps multiple chances and that isn't coaching either! If anyone really believes a coach at any level would tell someone not to help, they must be new to this game! (Not counting specialized situations like not helping off shooters, helping down on the same side, or when in junk defenses)

 

[TarHeelFanWV]

This season has just been on repeat game after game. I do not see any changes or improvements. In fact, I would say everything has gotten worse than it has better. The main thing that stands out to me is the lack of energy and hustle on defense. We don't protect the paint very well. We allow easy layups and our 3-point defense is terrible. Another area that we usually dominate at, which is rebounding, we seem to be very lazy at. We aren't hustling after the ball when it's on the floor, and we are allowing the other teams to get way too many second-chance opportunities.

Honestly, just the lack of hustle on both ends of the court seems to be the main issue I've seen all year long. When they play hard as they did in the 2nd half last night, it shows and they do well. When they're lazy, they get blown out and struggle against the bottom feeders.

Against Alabama and Iowa State, I thought we played badly at the time, but evidently, we were a lot better back then than now. I don't see us going 4OT with Alabama right now or hanging with Iowa State. We struggled against Notre freaking Dame. We struggled with Syracuse. We lost to Pitt twice.

There has to be a way for the coaches to get these guys more ready at the start of the game. We cannot wait until the 2nd half or the last 5 minutes of games to start playing hard.

 

[GoNtheDistance]

did anybody else notice the heated exchange between Frederick and Hubert during one of the timeouts during the last 10 minutes of play. a few buddies of mine were talking about it and I must have missed it.

 

[gary-7]

When they play hard as they did in the 2nd half last night, it shows and they do well. When they're lazy, they get blown out and struggle against the bottom feeders.

It was night-and-day different for sure, and yes, made the difference. You'll have good and bad shooting nights, but the one thing you can ALWAYS bring is effort. It sure as hell pulled out that one.

 

[adwood81]

Effort should be a given. When you are this far into a season and coaches have to blister teams to bring effort it says a lot about the state of the team. Very disappointed to be where we are at this point of the year.

 

[tarwhiz]

Is the no help by Design? I get the 5 out spread stuff, but I don't get just allowing Teams to go after your shortest player over and over again- especially when he's got 4 fouls? I do think the offense-defense sub with Trimble and RJ and the end was a really good move. Actually, I think the staff did a good job with end of game management in this one. The out of bounds play that Leak rim stuffed himself on unfortuately & even the set with Leak taking the short player to the rim (but he missed the rim completely) were good calls. Activity on the boards made it work out anyway...

I agree. I was yelling for R.J. to get some help on a few slow motion paint plays against him.
Also, I really liked the box set with Leaky at the end. Defense had to account fir him and he got a decent look, just missed it.
Also that was a great inbounds play the staff drew up, Leaky has to dunk that ball.

 

[dlew71]

Effort should be a given. When you are this far into a season and coaches have to blister teams to bring effort it says a lot about the state of the team. Very disappointed to be where we are at this point of the year.

The core group has always had issues with effort, Coach Williams was harping on this topic the last two years before he stepped down. That is the one constant across both staffs, the players not being able to bring it night in night out consistently. Being able to shoot a decent percentage would be icing on the cake at this point.

 

[IDUNK4HEELS]

We certainly deserved the win! AND coaching was the reason we got it so.....

The players need to get their heads out of their collective arses and simply put forth effort for whole games! It is just that simple. Coaching is getting us wide open looks, some within inches of the rim and we are flat missing. We are watching balls hit the ground and not blocking out which gives peeps multiple chances and that isn't coaching either! If anyone really believes a coach at any level would tell someone not to help, they must be new to this game! (Not counting specialized situations like not helping off shooters, helping down on the same side, or when in junk defenses)

Stop 🛑 telling the truth because many have absolutely no idea how right you are…

 

[dtodd4475]

We didn't deserve this win.

Sets up an interesting Saturday matchup with UVa, though. Both coming off disappointing games. Who will get the most motivation out of that?

In the old days we might have said UNC and UVa were looking ahead to their next game, and that's why they played poorly. Might be true for UVa, but I don't think our team looks ahead to the next pass, much less the next game.

UVa struggled at home the game before surviving a great look by ND at the buzzer.

First half was ugly for UNC, but controlled the 2nd half in most every area. Thought it was a deserved win, but was way too close for comfort.

 

[Sk1310]

We made 15 they only shot 9 stop bitching about the damn refs!

Weird take from "not finishing through uncalled contact"

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Our defense has help rotations that are the same as any solid D. The problem is we have a few peeps who don't or can't anticipate so they respond 1-2 steps slow. They either lock on their man and fore=get the rest of the court or they drift at times leaving gaps! I don't want to name names, but if we play with increased bball IQ and effort it wouldn't happen. If I can see it happening at home, then everyone on the court should see it and rotate properly. RJ is trying to be more resistant but he is limited by his size. I do not like how cautious he gets after a few fouls though!

 

[alabamaheel]

Our defense has help rotations that are the same as any solid D. The problem is we have a few peeps who don't or can't anticipate so they respond 1-2 steps slow. They either lock on their man and fore=get the rest of the court or they drift at times leaving gaps! I don't want to name names, but if we play with increased bball IQ and effort it wouldn't happen. If I can see it happening at home, then everyone on the court should see it and rotate properly. RJ is trying to be more resistant but he is limited by his size. I do not like how cautious he gets after a few fouls though!

Lol you may not like how cautious he gets but if he doesn’t and fouls out, we lose.

 

[dtodd4475]

We are the 332nd team out of 352 D1 teams shooting 3's. If we give opponents good 3 looks helping the point guard we have next to no way to win games. They are going to target him, and he has to do better making it at least contested two's against him.

The easiest answer is he along with his teammates make some open looks from 3. It is amazing we have been competitive with the abysmal 3 point shooting. The lack of 3's (332 out of 352) cannot win consistently, no way with the metrics. Hell, being 250 out of 352 sucks, but would of meant at least 5 more wins. WE CAN'T SHOOT. If we do we go with anyone.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

We are the 332nd team out of 352 D1 teams shooting 3's.

OUCH!

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Everybody says "good things happen when we get it inside to Amando." And certainly he is our best scorer. But is it possible that we are trying too hard to get the ball inside to the exclusion of other good plays?

I mentioned a few games ago watching Pete get open but not get the ball - only to get the ball later when he was closely guarded. Someone else here noticed a similar pattern with Nickel.

Are we so focused on giving Armando a touch first, that we are passing up good 3-point opportunities?

Or alternatively are we spending so much time trying to punch it inside that we end up with desperate 3-point shots because the clock is running down?

And here's a related thought . . . Why don't we see more alley-oops to Armando (or Pete)? If we are having trouble getting good inside position with low or bounce passes, why not alley-oops? Are we bad at passing? Are Armando's and Pete's hands not good enough?

 

[gberry78]

Not sure Armando or Pete are athletic enough to catch an oop on demand.. it would require a set play or at the very least a screen for them to get open.. chemistry between the players is needed too but Yes we are bad at passing.. it’s somewhat of an art because you have to pass when the player is open in the post if you wait to long the defender will recover… Part of our shooting woes can be attributed to poor passing.. perfect example against Notre Dame Love drove and kicked to a wide open Puff in the corner but his pass was low and to the left so Puff had to reach for the pass which put him out of Rhythm and his shoot hit the backboard

 

[Archer2]

We are the 332nd team out of 352 D1 teams shooting 3's. The lack of 3's (332 out of 352) cannot win consistently, no way with the metrics. Hell, being 250 out of 352 sucks, but would of meant at least 5 more wins. WE CAN'T SHOOT. If we do we go with anyone.

Amen to that. Gotta be one of the worst shooting UNC teams in a long time, except from the FT line.

 

[DSouthr]

Amen to that. Gotta be one of the worst shooting UNC teams in a long time, except from the FT line.

On a team that has Hubert Davis as it's head coach, Jeff Lebo as his lead assistant, 2 of the best shooters that have worn our jersey, you would think if anything this team would be deadly jump shooters?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

On a team that has Hubert Davis as it's head coach, Jeff Lebo as his lead assistant, 2 of the best shooters that have worn our jersey, you would think if anything this team would be deadly jump shooters?

You know that obnoxious saying "those who can, do; those who can't, teach"? Well our coaching staff seems to be proving that those who can, can't teach.

A lot of us thought that our outside shooting would improve when we got Hubert as an assistant. Never happened. So we probably shouldn't be surprised now.

My half-baked theory is that people who have natural scoring talent don't consciously know what they do, so they may struggle to teach it.

 

[tarwhiz]

"perfect example against Notre Dame Love drove and kicked to a wide open Puff in the corner but his pass was low and to the left so Puff had to reach for the pass which put him out of Rhythm and his shoot hit the backboard"

Not sure Armando or Pete are athletic enough to catch an oop on demand.. it would require a set play or at the very least a screen for them to get open.. chemistry between the players is needed too but Yes we are bad at passing.. it’s somewhat of an art because you have to pass when the player is open in the post if you wait to long the defender will recover… Part of our shooting woes can be attributed to poor passing.. perfect example against Notre Dame Love drove and kicked to a wide open Puff in the corner but his pass was low and to the left so Puff had to reach for the pass which put him out of Rhythm and his shoot hit the backboard

THIS!
Been seeing this all the time this season. No shooting pocket passes hardly ever, and this is the worst post feeding team I have seen at Carolina.
Leaky and Nance are slow reacting passers, and Leaky just doesn't see cutters at times.
Love and Davis have both struggled at times of the drop off pass at the rim.

 

[dlew71]

"perfect example against Notre Dame Love drove and kicked to a wide open Puff in the corner but his pass was low and to the left so Puff had to reach for the pass which put him out of Rhythm and his shoot hit the backboard"

THIS!
Been seeing this all the time this season. No shooting pocket passes hardly ever, and this is the worst post feeding team I have seen at Carolina.
Leaky and Nance are slow reacting passers, and Leaky just doesn't see cutters at times.
Love and Davis have both struggled at times of the drop off pass at the rim.

Love and Davis can hand it over to the opposing guards pretty well 😎