Washington needs more minutes according to some but whose minutes?

[IDUNK4HEELS]

I have seen several fans on Facebook indicating Washington should get more time on the floor and less time on the pine but my question to everyone is whose minutes does he take.

Presently he is the backup to Bacot but he cannot come close to rebounding the ball like Mando does or score in close. Maybe put him in the place of Ingram but thru the first 6 games Ingram has probably been the best Tar Heel on the court with his scoring, rebounding and assists. In Ryan’s spot you have to be kidding because Ryan the last couple games has finally been hitting from the outside.

So someone much smartly than I am tell me where Washington could get more minutes?

 

[DaveChapelle]

Washington can't defend the perimeter at all bc of his lateral mobility issues. He still gets lost at times on defense. He also gets pushed around inside and struggles rebounding due to lack of strength.

In short, he's a kid that missed half his high school playing career and part of his first year in college due to surgeries and recoveries. He needs time to learn and get stronger. And bc he can't defend the perimeter in an era heavily dominated by perimeter play, he may never play any position except Center successfully.

Unfortunately some of our fans don't see anything except the points he's putting up or the occasional blocked shot.

 

[tarwhiz]

Washington can't defend the perimeter at all bc of his lateral mobility issues. He still gets lost at times on defense. He also gets pushed around inside and struggles rebounding due to lack of strength.

In short, he's a kid that missed half his high school playing career and part of his first year in college due to surgeries and recoveries. He needs time to learn and get stronger. And bc he can't defend the perimeter in an era heavily dominated by perimeter play, he may never play any position except Center successfully.

Unfortunately some of our fans don't see anything except the points he's putting up or the occasional blocked shot.

JWash per 40 numbers are 22/11.2
He was very active guarding the perimeter in the Bahamas and his length allows him to defend differently than Mando.
I am in agreement that JWash is a 5. Those clamoring to see him play the 4 are going to be disappointed, it isn't going to happen.
I am looking forward to the coaching staff unleashing Jalens entire game next year as the starting 5. I think he can, and will be used similar to how Kansas uses Dickinson and Wisconsin used Frank Kaminsky.
Pick and pop, but also baseline faceup and backside lobs as he continues to get more of his athleticism back. I don't see him playing much more this year though, than he already is.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

He should be used to decrease Bacot's numbers and only play the 4 when we play teams with twin towers or other situations. Ingram, High & Withers have the 4 locked down IMO. JWash should see his minutes gradually increase as he regains strength, conditioning, and confidence. JWash, High, and Okonkwo are plenty to back up Bacot in spots. I can't wait to see JWash blossom into his full skill set by next year!

 

[DSouthr]

Actually, I disagree, I think JWash is a very interesting guy for the 4, I would have both he and Wit playing the 4 and move Ingram to the 3, where I think he is more effective. First, I think a good bit of this assessment of Jalen as strictly a 5 is more based on last season than the season we are now in. Jalen is running and moving much better than he did last season and he is very clearly stronger physically.

First, it is going to draw a ??? from me every time to suggest that Jalen is not strong enough to play the 4 yet somehow he is strong enough to play the 5? Does it not strike you as odd to suggest that for example Wit is more of a 4 than a 5 and yet physically Wit is stronger than Jalen? I am very much a Wit guy so you have to know I am not throwing shade at the guy and no, I don't want Wit at the 5 unless it is a crazy situation that forces it, yes I want JWash as Bacot's primary back up. I want Ingram at the 3 for a ton of reasons, his physicality being just 1.

But I look at Jalen's strength of his game and on the offensive end that is his length and his ability to hit those turn around jumpers and take the occasional trey, THAT is the sweet spot of his game (and I do think he will develop more as a off side shot blocker). That sound like a 5 to you or does it sound more like a stretch 4? I will tell you right now, when it comes down to who I am more comfortable with taking a outside jump shot between Withers and JWash, I will take JWash every time due to how pure that stroke is. I see Withers as a longer version of Styles, a guy that can hit outside shots but not a guy I want us to feed a steady diet of outside jumpers to, I would give Jalen a green light on outside clean looks even more so than Ingram. When he gets his feet right there just are not many that can stop Jalen's turn around jumper when he takes it with confidence. WE are talking about a kid with 7'5" reach guys and a soft shooting touch, those kind of guys don't exactly fall off trees.

 

[tarwhiz]

Actually, I disagree, I think JWash is a very interesting guy for the 4, I would have both he and Wit playing the 4 and move Ingram to the 3, where I think he is more effective. First, I think a good bit of this assessment of Jalen as strictly a 5 is more based on last season than the season we are now in. Jalen is running and moving much better than he did last season and he is very clearly stronger physically.

First, it is going to draw a ??? from me every time to suggest that Jalen is not strong enough to play the 4 yet somehow he is strong enough to play the 5? Does it not strike you as odd to suggest that for example Wit is more of a 4 than a 5 and yet physically Wit is stronger than Jalen? I am very much a Wit guy so you have to know I am not throwing shade at the guy and no, I don't want Wit at the 5 unless it is a crazy situation that forces it, yes I want JWash as Bacot's primary back up. I want Ingram at the 3 for a ton of reasons, his physicality being just 1.

But I look at Jalen's strength of his game and on the offensive end that is his length and his ability to hit those turn around jumpers and take the occasional trey, THAT is the sweet spot of his game (and I do think he will develop more as a off side shot blocker). That sound like a 5 to you or does it sound more like a stretch 4? I will tell you right now, when it comes down to who I am more comfortable with taking a outside jump shot between Withers and JWash, I will take JWash every time due to how pure that stroke is. I see Withers as a longer version of Styles, a guy that can hit outside shots but not a guy I want us to feed a steady diet of outside jumpers to, I would give Jalen a green light on outside clean looks even more so than Ingram. When he gets his feet right there just are not many that can stop Jalen's turn around jumper when he takes it with confidence. WE are talking about a kid with 7'5" reach guys and a soft shooting touch, those kind of guys don't exactly fall off trees.

David if this comment came say 10-15 years ago, I would be right there with you. I think Wash is moving better, and he held his own on the perimeter in Atlantis playing the 5 and picking up pick n roll players.
Playing the 4 is a different animal in today's game. Trying to stay in front of K.J Adam's, guarding a Josiah James fir extended min, trying to guard Edwards from UK. All these new age 4' s would give Wash all kinds of problems defensively.
On offense he would be too one dimensional as just a shooter playing off Bacot. I would not worry about him putting tge ball on the floor, and would just close out hard every time he touched it.
He is not even getting scraps at the 4, so that tells you the staffs thoughts of him playing the 4

 

[Kool1234567]

I just hope Bacot plays better he had a rough time in the Bahamas…I have really had no issue with the rotation so far..I still like Withers off the bench better than starting though..

 

[DaveChapelle]

He should be used to decrease Bacot's numbers and only play the 4 when we play teams with twin towers or other situations.

Bingo. He is absolutely terrible at defending the perimeter, and the 4 is mostly a perimeter-based spot in modern basketball. He can't navigate screens, he picks his own teammates, if he tries to pressure a shooter he gets blown by, if he tries to play off to defend the drive he gives them open shots, and he's just too slow to close out on shooters when the defense rotates.

His future is as a 5. Call him a stretch 5, which is pretty common in the NBA now. He'll just need to keep adding muscle until he can effectively play long minutes against starting centers.

 

[DSouthr]

David if this comment came say 10-15 years ago, I would be right there with you. I think Wash is moving better, and he held his own on the perimeter in Atlantis playing the 5 and picking up pick n roll players.
Playing the 4 is a different animal in today's game. Trying to stay in front of K.J Adam's, guarding a Josiah James fir extended min, trying to guard Edwards from UK. All these new age 4' s would give Wash all kinds of problems defensively.
On offense he would be too one dimensional as just a shooter playing off Bacot. I would not worry about him putting tge ball on the floor, and would just close out hard every time he touched it.
He is not even getting scraps at the 4, so that tells you the staffs thoughts of him playing the 4

Fortunately we have the depth that allows us to handle any match up problems we may have. Example, if in a particular game Jalen struggles to defend then we do have the option to go to either Wit or Ingram. I would as well offer, look at the 2 guys that pretty much everyone agrees should start in our back court in Cadeau and RJ, small guys and for example tonight we get another team that has a matchup advantage when we are on defense, yet we accept that don't we? And why do we, it's because we believe the offensive advantage we get trumps the defensive liability.

It isn't as if this team, last years team, or the team before that, has been seen as a team adept at staying in front of their primary assignment on the defensive end, so what has Hubert done to counter that, we are switching, we are switching everything, at times we are switching to much. So what makes Jalen any different from basically anyone on our roster not named Seth? I am much more concerned with our smallish guards ability to match up against bigger guards than I am Jalen's ability to match up with 4s.

Keep in mind, before Hubert took over for Roy, we featured big men at the 4 and 5, we enjoyed being able to have them exchange with each other, won a lot of games that way. In 10mins vs Arky, Jalen got what 6pts and 5 boards, who was it NI maybe, he was splashing treys and hitting dead center on mid range fade aways?

Before he originally injured that knee, I think it was Roy before Hubert said it that Jalen was the best shooting big man in that class. I believe at the time Jalen was listed at 6'8" and weighed in around 195lbs, the kid is now listed 6'10" and 230lbs. Pretty much any big man is going to be at a disadvantage out in space to a ball handling smaller guy and every one of our guys is going to be switched off at times to smaller guys, Bacot has switched off several times to 1 or 2 guards, yet we still play Bacot, we still start Bacot. From what I have seen, Jalen does not do a poor job defensively, even switched in to a mismatch. Now I do agree, Wit is more adept at guarding a smaller guy in space but so far Wit is not giving us as much offensively and is consistently getting in to foul trouble.

Now we can argue the Ingram at the 4 thing and I will argue right back why I want Ingram at the 3 but I have explained why I see that as I do many times. The main argument for Jalen at the 5 to give Bacot rest is that High isn't really ready yet and Konkwo is really raw for a guy with 2yrs already under his belt. That makes Jalen the no brainer option behind Bacot but that does not mean we only play Jalen when Bacot is on the bench. Now as for Bacot not playing off Jalen, if Jalen steps outside with that shooting stroke his defender has to follow and that means that defender is not in the paint able to double on Bacot. I would give the jumper to Wit much quicker than I would Jalen if I am coaching against UNC.

Good discussion Whizzer!

 

[al would]

Actually, I disagree, I think JWash is a very interesting guy for the 4, I would have both he and Wit playing the 4 and move Ingram to the 3,

Me too. JWash is still rehabbing but you can't teach the length he has. Would love to see those guys on the floor together more with Wash as an Off-4 and D-5. His length gives him the luxury of playing straight vertical defense or maybe even giving up a little space. If he stays healthy he's a league player maybe sooner than UNC would like.

 

[tarwhiz]

Fortunately we have the depth that allows us to handle any match up problems we may have. Example, if in a particular game Jalen struggles to defend then we do have the option to go to either Wit or Ingram. I would as well offer, look at the 2 guys that pretty much everyone agrees should start in our back court in Cadeau and RJ, small guys and for example tonight we get another team that has a matchup advantage when we are on defense, yet we accept that don't we? And why do we, it's because we believe the offensive advantage we get trumps the defensive liability.

It isn't as if this team, last years team, or the team before that, has been seen as a team adept at staying in front of their primary assignment on the defensive end, so what has Hubert done to counter that, we are switching, we are switching everything, at times we are switching to much. So what makes Jalen any different from basically anyone on our roster not named Seth? I am much more concerned with our smallish guards ability to match up against bigger guards than I am Jalen's ability to match up with 4s.

Keep in mind, before Hubert took over for Roy, we featured big men at the 4 and 5, we enjoyed being able to have them exchange with each other, won a lot of games that way. In 10mins vs Arky, Jalen got what 6pts and 5 boards, who was it NI maybe, he was splashing treys and hitting dead center on mid range fade aways?

Before he originally injured that knee, I think it was Roy before Hubert said it that Jalen was the best shooting big man in that class. I believe at the time Jalen was listed at 6'8" and weighed in around 195lbs, the kid is now listed 6'10" and 230lbs. Pretty much any big man is going to be at a disadvantage out in space to a ball handling smaller guy and every one of our guys is going to be switched off at times to smaller guys, Bacot has switched off several times to 1 or 2 guards, yet we still play Bacot, we still start Bacot. From what I have seen, Jalen does not do a poor job defensively, even switched in to a mismatch. Now I do agree, Wit is more adept at guarding a smaller guy in space but so far Wit is not giving us as much offensively and is consistently getting in to foul trouble.

Now we can argue the Ingram at the 4 thing and I will argue right back why I want Ingram at the 3 but I have explained why I see that as I do many times. The main argument for Jalen at the 5 to give Bacot rest is that High isn't really ready yet and Konkwo is really raw for a guy with 2yrs already under his belt. That makes Jalen the no brainer option behind Bacot but that does not mean we only play Jalen when Bacot is on the bench. Now as for Bacot not playing off Jalen, if Jalen steps outside with that shooting stroke his defender has to follow and that means that defender is not in the paint able to double on Bacot. I would give the jumper to Wit much quicker than I would Jalen if I am coaching against UNC.

Good discussion Whizzer!

The first half tonight was not friendly to your comments David. JWash just can't play the 4. He was getting cooked by JJJ in the only 2 possessions he got switched off and had to guard him. I thought Hubert was going to use a timeout, he wanted JWash out of the game so badly 😆

 

[shane023]

It’s too bad you can’t sub on the fly. Withers only playing defense and Washington only playing offense would be a good split……

 

[DaveChapelle]

Washington gave up multiple straight line drives for uncontested layups tonight. It's exactly why he can never play the 4.

 

[gauchoheel]

David if this comment came say 10-15 years ago, I would be right there with you. I think Wash is moving better, and he held his own on the perimeter in Atlantis playing the 5 and picking up pick n roll players.
Playing the 4 is a different animal in today's game. Trying to stay in front of K.J Adam's, guarding a Josiah James fir extended min, trying to guard Edwards from UK. All these new age 4' s would give Wash all kinds of problems defensively.
On offense he would be too one dimensional as just a shooter playing off Bacot. I would not worry about him putting tge ball on the floor, and would just close out hard every time he touched it.
He is not even getting scraps at the 4, so that tells you the staffs thoughts of him playing the 4

Yeah we saw it today. Washington cannot defend the perimeter, isn't a great rebounder, and should absolutely not be ahead of the Bacot on the depth chart (not that anyone here is saying that, but some crazies were).

 

[dtodd4475]

I actually like the minutes he is getting at this point, that porridge seems just right.Keep developing big fella.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I love JWash also! He will develop into a real problem for peeps by next year! This year he is getting both mentally and physically healthy, but he will have to recover his bball instincts and re-learn to anticipate and position himself properly on D. O always comes back quicker than D! My feeling that he won't play a lot of 4 has little to do with his skills and more to do with the skills of the others. We have more peeps who can be effective at 4 than 5 IMO. Bacot must get more rest and we must have a trusted response if he gets those infamous 2 fouls in the first half! I think he and Bacot could each thrive beside the other, but the team needs him more at 5! Withers took a step back on D and looked a little uncertain out there so this might change the analysis going forward, however. I tend to think Withers with the help of team leaders (Ryan is awesome here) and coaches will bounce back.

 

[DSouthr]

Last night, and based on last night only, JWash needed the minutes Withers got. Jalen did struggle defensively in that one stretch but he was as well a real asset offensively. It isn't as if Jalen was the only guy we had that struggled defensively, why do we single his defense out and yet praise others who had a poor defensive showing as well?

The discussion from a couple days ago was my saying that for now I think Jalen gives us more than Wit, that I feel like I want to see Jalen in more as a 4. The push back came as he can't defend the 4 because he gets switched off to guys that can take him on a drive. No D, he has to play the 5, well on those couple trips last night where he was burned defensively he was in playing the 5. So I would ask, do we now not play him at all? LOL OR, or do we at some point realize that few of his mates are solid defensively either? The fact that our 5 is switched on to a wing should tell you that maybe the problem is more why he had to switch on to a wing?

Last night Jalen in his total of 8min of playing time put up 7pts, snagged 3 boards, had a steal and and assist? Konect and James scored a combined 57 points on us last night and I assure you this, they did not score all of those points on Jalen in his 8mins of playing time. Hubert started JWit and he played 12mins, did not score, got total of 2 boards, and had 3 TOs? Now you guys know, I spent a lot of time this off season touting JWit, I clearly believe JWit can be a really good player for us. But it isn't about what I believe guys, it is about what I see. I am not going to try to spin a narrative based on what I WANT to see, I am going to talk about what I do see. And what I do see is JWash needs more court time than Wit, at least for now Jalen gives us more. And for that more PT, I use Jalen at the 4 at times when Bacot is in and I enjoy his shooting stroke.

It is really a bit amazing actually, the focus on Jalen's defense yet he puts up really nice numbers in really limited minutes yet we don't talk about Cadeau or RJ's lack of defense and glow about their offensive contributions, and we SHOULD glow about them? But why the different narrative for similar short comings? Cadeau gets blown by and we get the excuses like the refs cost us that one but let the same thing happen to Jalen and the narrative is his lack of defense? Truth actually is neither are perfect, some of what is seen as the players lack of ability to defend is because we got switched into a mismatch that they other team was working to force yet where are the folks talking about why that switch occurred? One guy hits 13 of 17 shots and another hits 8-11, did they both hit all those on Jalen in his 8mins in the game? Point being, maybe we should consider some of the defensive issues by the whole team rather than spot light Jalen.

 

[IDUNK4HEELS]

Last night, and based on last night only, JWash needed the minutes Withers got. Jalen did struggle defensively in that one stretch but he was as well a real asset offensively. It isn't as if Jalen was the only guy we had that struggled defensively, why do we single his defense out and yet praise others who had a poor defensive showing as well?

The discussion from a couple days ago was my saying that for now I think Jalen gives us more than Wit, that I feel like I want to see Jalen in more as a 4. The push back came as he can't defend the 4 because he gets switched off to guys that can take him on a drive. No D, he has to play the 5, well on those couple trips last night where he was burned defensively he was in playing the 5. So I would ask, do we now not play him at all? LOL OR, or do we at some point realize that few of his mates are solid defensively either? The fact that our 5 is switched on to a wing should tell you that maybe the problem is more why he had to switch on to a wing?

Last night Jalen in his total of 8min of playing time put up 7pts, snagged 3 boards, had a steal and and assist? Konect and James scored a combined 57 points on us last night and I assure you this, they did not score all of those points on Jalen in his 8mins of playing time. Hubert started JWit and he played 12mins, did not score, got total of 2 boards, and had 3 TOs? Now you guys know, I spent a lot of time this off season touting JWit, I clearly believe JWit can be a really good player for us. But it isn't about what I believe guys, it is about what I see. I am not going to try to spin a narrative based on what I WANT to see, I am going to talk about what I do see. And what I do see is JWash needs more court time than Wit, at least for now Jalen gives us more. And for that more PT, I use Jalen at the 4 at times when Bacot is in and I enjoy his shooting stroke.

It is really a bit amazing actually, the focus on Jalen's defense yet he puts up really nice numbers in really limited minutes yet we don't talk about Cadeau or RJ's lack of defense and glow about their offensive contributions, and we SHOULD glow about them? But why the different narrative for similar short comings? Cadeau gets blown by and we get the excuses like the refs cost us that one but let the same thing happen to Jalen and the narrative is his lack of defense? Truth actually is neither are perfect, some of what is seen as the players lack of ability to defend is because we got switched into a mismatch that they other team was working to force yet where are the folks talking about why that switch occurred? One guy hits 13 of 17 shots and another hits 8-11, did they both hit all those on Jalen in his 8mins in the game? Point being, maybe we should consider some of the defensive issues by the whole team rather than spot light Jalen.

I must agree because all night long Knecht punished every guard that were put on him as did James. Team defense was no where to be found…

 

[UNC-75]

I have seen several fans on Facebook indicating Washington should get more time on the floor and less time on the pine but my question to everyone is whose minutes does he take.

Presently he is the backup to Bacot but he cannot come close to rebounding the ball like Mando does or score in close. Maybe put him in the place of Ingram but thru the first 6 games Ingram has probably been the best Tar Heel on the court with his scoring, rebounding and assists. In Ryan’s spot you have to be kidding because Ryan the last couple games has finally been hitting from the outside.

So someone much smartly than I am tell me where Washington could get more minutes?

He needs more minutes in the weight room and the buffet. He has special talents and will get there in time.

 

[bluetoe]

Washington can't defend the perimeter at all bc of his lateral mobility issues. He still gets lost at times on defense. He also gets pushed around inside and struggles rebounding due to lack of strength.

In short, he's a kid that missed half his high school playing career and part of his first year in college due to surgeries and recoveries. He needs time to learn and get stronger. And bc he can't defend the perimeter in an era heavily dominated by perimeter play, he may never play any position except Center successfully.

Unfortunately some of our fans don't see anything except the points he's putting up or the occasional blocked shot.

actually, what I'm seeing is his need to play in order to start eliminating his deficiencies. I don't have an answer to the original question, except that hopefully he can be inserted whenever possible at center. Because for one thing, who are we going to replace Bacot with when he's gone?

ETA he just looks to me to have a large upside

 

[DSouthr]

LOL, let me do a little math here, Jalen gets pushed around in the post??? OK, so lets test that, Jalen played 8mins last night and he got 3 rebounds, not even going to mention his 7points or his steal or his assist, well maybe I did mention that but more look at the 3 rebounds in 8mins and the notion he is being pushed around. Bacot, who I don't think many would accused of being pushed around, who I think is rightfully considered a rebounding machine had 11 in 31 minutes. That is a board every 37.5 seconds of PT for Jalen as opposed to Bacot last night was 1 board for every 35.5 seconds he played...BOTH played exclusively at the 5...

And yet I look up on this very thread and see how Jalen is being pushed around? Rebounds is about desire and toughness, hard to say a kid is getting pushed around when he is hitting the boards like that. LOL

 

[superstar57]

Ummm. He will get his opportunity, just the way the college season goes, but for know I think he is playing enough.

Next year when he should be fully prepared physically and mentally he should get his chance to shine, sorry Jwash your probably going to have to wait.

 

[bluetoe]

Ummm. He will get his opportunity, just the way the college season goes, but for know I think he is playing enough.

Next year when he should be fully prepared physically and mentally he should get his chance to shine, sorry Jwash your probably going to have to wait.

my point though is how is he going to be ready if he doesn't play? Practice alone is not the way, IMO.

 

[tarwhiz]

LOL, let me do a little math here, Jalen gets pushed around in the post??? OK, so lets test that, Jalen played 8mins last night and he got 3 rebounds, not even going to mention his 7points or his steal or his assist, well maybe I did mention that but more look at the 3 rebounds in 8mins and the notion he is being pushed around. Bacot, who I don't think many would accused of being pushed around, who I think is rightfully considered a rebounding machine had 11 in 31 minutes. That is a board every 37.5 seconds of PT for Jalen as opposed to Bacot last night was 1 board for every 35.5 seconds he played...BOTH played exclusively at the 5...

And yet I look up on this very thread and see how Jalen is being pushed around? Rebounds is about desire and toughness, hard to say a kid is getting pushed around when he is hitting the boards like that. LOL

I don't think he is being pushed around. I think he has been solid guarding the post and he has more length than Mando.
He does not guard the pick n roll as well yet, but Mando is a mature 5th year Sr.
Wash is doing fine for a really good backup center.
David do you want JWash getting more of Bacots min? If so, I think he should have stole some from Mando at Atlantis.
Do you think he should get Withers min at the 4? If you do, you lose me in that endeavor. He can't play the 4 PERIOD.
I think he is going to be an above average to very good starting 5 next season. If he is even better than VERY good, It will be a FUN YEAR!😎

 

[al would]

but Mando is a mature 5th year Sr.

Correction Mando is a very mature 5th yr. Sr. playing in his 6th season. I think he's trying to break Stillman White's seasons played record 😁!!

 

[DSouthr]

I don't think he is being pushed around. I think he has been solid guarding the post and he has more length than Mando.
He does not guard the pick n roll as well yet, but Mando is a mature 5th year Sr.
Wash is doing fine for a really good backup center.
David do you want JWash getting more of Bacots min? If so, I think he should have stole some from Mando at Atlantis.
Do you think he should get Withers min at the 4? If you do, you lose me in that endeavor. He can't play the 4 PERIOD.
I think he is going to be an above average to very good starting 5 next season. If he is even better than VERY good, It will be a FUN YEAR!😎

I want Jalen to be bacot's primary back up thou I do think High could get a couple of those minutes but I want Jalen picking up solid minutes at the 4. Where I get lost and baffled in this discussion is when I see folks say Jalen can not play the 4? At UNC our 4s and 5s have ALWAYS been inter-changeable, Dean and Roy got to the HOF by doing that and we still can. Yeah, I get there are many teams now days that use small forwards as power forwards and look to stretch, well OK, but so what?

Can Jalen play the 5? I ask because those 2 possessions where Jalen got blistered, Jalen was in as our 5, not our 4. Yet how many today are re-affirmed in their position that Jalen can not play the 4 based on those 2 possessions last night? Do you see my point? Wit last night clearly was not the answer, at least for last night's game and frankly Ingram is better working out of the 3 spot than the 4 because he has a size advantage and knows how to use it. To me the clear next answer is Jalen for minutes at the 4. He can not only give us a twin tower look but he can stretch the floor and clearly hit that turn around jumper over a smaller defender.

Hey, totally agree, Jalen is not defending the high screen well but guess what, Bacot was not great at that last season either, most of our big men struggle with that.

 

[dtodd4475]

I am different then some here with minutes. Every game is a TV game, with extra time outs. 30 minutes played is sitting out a fourth of the game. Playing 30 to 35 minutes for the clear top performers is not a lot in my view.

We have a CLEAR top 5. Now Ingram playing all 40 then 38, I can see a blow here and there, that is a lot. I see NO WAY we are running a regular 10 guy rotation. The core 8 with Washington, Trimble, and Withers will get the down time for the clear top 5. Giving each of those around 8 to 12.

Others used as needed, without foul trouble or injury those 5 should all play 30 plus or 3 quarters of the game.

 

[DaveChapelle]

actually, what I'm seeing is his need to play in order to start eliminating his deficiencies.

I don't think he can eliminate his inability to guard the perimeter. I think he is simply physically incapable of moving his body quickly enough to stay in front of drivers or close out on shooters.

This isn't Isaiah Hicks. This isn't an athletic PF who needs more reps to learn how to play defense without fouling. This is a guy who simply can't move well enough to play defense outside of the paint.

Honestly, I think Hubert might need to play zone in order to play Washington heavy minutes. His offensive game could be so great that we'll want him to be the starting Center next year, in which case it might be smart for Hubert to start defensive scheming ways to cover up Washington on defense. Maybe a 2-3 zone that keeps him in the paint.

 

[bluetoe]

I don't think he can eliminate his inability to guard the perimeter. I think he is simply physically incapable of moving his body quickly enough to stay in front of drivers or close out on shooters.

This isn't Isaiah Hicks. This isn't an athletic PF who needs more reps to learn how to play defense without fouling. This is a guy who simply can't move well enough to play defense outside of the paint.

Honestly, I think Hubert might need to play zone in order to play Washington heavy minutes. His offensive game could be so great that we'll want him to be the starting Center next year, in which case it might be smart for Hubert to start defensive scheming ways to cover up Washington on defense. Maybe a 2-3 zone that keeps him in the paint.

i said somewhere I thought his minutes should come at center.

 

[DaveChapelle]

Washington sitting in the paint, FSU man wide open at the 3pt line, and Washington doesn't even attempt to get out to the shooter.

Swish

 

[NorCalTarheel]

Washington sitting in the paint, FSU man wide open at the 3pt line, and Washington doesn't even attempt to get out to the shooter.

Swish

Of course there's no way to be sure, but I would bet that was more confusion than lack of physical ability.

 

[dtodd4475]

Of course there's no way to be sure, but I would bet that was more confusion than lack of physical ability.

What I saw on the play was Washington waiting on the trailer, not seeing the guy as a quick three option, and if so better then running out and leaving the odd number attack. But yeah, saw him decide to stay at home.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I don't know how this became Wit v Wash but I would rather repair Wit and keep developing Wash! He is right where he should be expected. He has recovered physically and is almost 100% mentally, but his instincts are rusty due to the lack of PT while he rehabbed.

 

[ACokeForRoy]

I have been saying to give him "some" minutes at the 4 next to Bacot. Especially since his shooting range has extended offensively. Defensively you have another long defender. But I have figured out that Hubert makes these types of adjustments based on opponent. Lineups and minutes are not written in stone. And I like that.

 

[DSouthr]

Bottom line is Jalen needs more than 8mins a game, he is the very definition of a stretch 4, while Ingram is much better as a scorer working out of the 3 spot. No, Jalen is not a great defender right now but he isn't nearly as poor a defender as he is being made out to be. 2 examples from the Tenn game, first Jalen is trying to chase his man around a high screen on the right. Now Ingram after switching nearly everything should have picked up the ball handler but didn't, forced Jalen to go over the top of the screen, how many big men are going to be effective chasing down the ball handler when he has to fight thru a screen intended to rub him off? Shortly followed by a play where it looks like Jalen was trying to play some drop coverage, as all our 5s do, Tenn put Jones at the foul line and someone didn't communicate, Jalen steps out to Jones and Jones drives him, seen Bacot do the very same thing multiple times and yet the announcers do not go off on a Hubert needs to get him out of there rant.

I would LOVE to see Withers claim that starting 4 spot but so far he is a walking TO that commits to many fouls and makes some really bad decisions with the ball. What does Jalen do pretty much every time he gets in as of late, he puts points up and he rebounds the ball. Rather than saying that Jalen is still rehabbing 2 YEARS AFTER his surgery maybe the better question is asking why our 5 (the position Jalen has been in all season) is being switched on to a ball handler so far out of the paint, which is ALWAYS advantage ball handler NO MATTER WHO IS PLAYING THE 5 FOR US or any other team!

It seem the new fad for this season across college basketball is to switch everything, we see it used against us all the time, you especially see RJ having a big switch to him and he abuses him. I am fine with 1-3 switching on this team and I am fine with our 4s and 5s switching between themselves but to often we are switching 1-5 and many times switching just to switch rather than guards fighting to stay in front of their man and not needing to switch. Team are catching us in switch mis-matches and they are directly exploiting it, Konnect did that to us all day in that Tenn game, how do you blame that on Jalen and his 7mins in that game? LOL I have not yet been able to watch the last game vs FSU as of yet, I listened to it live but have yet to see it, hope to today and likely to comment then on what I see.

 

[bluetoe]

Bottom line is Jalen needs more than 8mins a game, he is the very definition of a stretch 4, while Ingram is much better as a scorer working out of the 3 spot. No, Jalen is not a great defender right now but he isn't nearly as poor a defender as he is being made out to be. 2 examples from the Tenn game, first Jalen is trying to chase his man around a high screen on the right. Now Ingram after switching nearly everything should have picked up the ball handler but didn't, forced Jalen to go over the top of the screen, how many big men are going to be effective chasing down the ball handler when he has to fight thru a screen intended to rub him off? Shortly followed by a play where it looks like Jalen was trying to play some drop coverage, as all our 5s do, Tenn put Jones at the foul line and someone didn't communicate, Jalen steps out to Jones and Jones drives him, seen Bacot do the very same thing multiple times and yet the announcers do not go off on a Hubert needs to get him out of there rant.

I would LOVE to see Withers claim that starting 4 spot but so far he is a walking TO that commits to many fouls and makes some really bad decisions with the ball. What does Jalen do pretty much every time he gets in as of late, he puts points up and he rebounds the ball. Rather than saying that Jalen is still rehabbing 2 YEARS AFTER his surgery maybe the better question is asking why our 5 (the position Jalen has been in all season) is being switched on to a ball handler so far out of the paint, which is ALWAYS advantage ball handler NO MATTER WHO IS PLAYING THE 5 FOR US or any other team!

It seem the new fad for this season across college basketball is to switch everything, we see it used against us all the time, you especially see RJ having a big switch to him and he abuses him. I am fine with 1-3 switching on this team and I am fine with our 4s and 5s switching between themselves but to often we are switching 1-5 and many times switching just to switch rather than guards fighting to stay in front of their man and not needing to switch. Team are catching us in switch mis-matches and they are directly exploiting it, Konnect did that to us all day in that Tenn game, how do you blame that on Jalen and his 7mins in that game? LOL I have not yet been able to watch the last game vs FSU as of yet, I listened to it live but have yet to see it, hope to today and likely to comment then on what I see.

I don't remember the game, but the switching, our switching, was like a well-choreographed dance-off. And I remember thinking it was more than I had seen in entire seasons. I'm not a BB guru at all, but that's an area I have thought we were noticeably deficient in, seeing guys allowing open lanes time after time. I was glad to see it. I have no comment on the x's and o's of it, but it seemed to me to be a huge defensive step up.

seen Bacot do the very same thing multiple times and yet the announcers do not go off on a Hubert needs to get him out of there rant.

and there you go.