I thought UVa should have gotten a 1 seed. But duke beat UVa in Charlottesville and only finished 1 game behind them in the standings. It's not totally bizarre for duke to have gotten a 1 seed and UVa not to have done so also. And UVa has not been the same without Anderson. He was atrocious the other night against us and if that's any indication of what he'll look like going forward, then I would support the thought process of the selection committee.
Agreed. I think it could have gone either way, but I dont think it is a big injustice that Duke got a #1 and UVA got a #2. Plus, it is completely over rated. If you look at recent final 4 history, 2009 was the last year more than one #1 seed made it to the Final Four. So being a 1 over a 2 provides honestly no advantage.
What luck? Honestly, Duke hasn't even made it to the Sweet 16 in 4 of the last 8 seasons, yet a lot of you guys are acting like they just have byes until late in the tournament. Don't get me wrong, I am not a UNC or Duke fan, so I understand the rivalry aspect of it, but a lot of arguments really don't add up.
Exactly. There are major upsets almost every year, at which point the perceived "best region" suddenly isn't nearly as impressive or what not. Plus, if you are good enough to be a final 4 team or national champion, then you should beat the teams in front of you anyway, no matter what region a team is in.
Since the expansion to 64 teams a #1 seed has won the tourney 18 times. That's more than all other seeds combined. Only four #2 seeds have won it all. So it's a little bit of an advantage.
Shoulda been Western Carolina over Purdue. I can still see Flemming's three-pointer banging off the back of the rim.Originally posted by SkyR#1fanCapCoug: And a #1 has never lost to a #16, so Duke may not get Mercer'd or Lehigh'd
It's not though. Of course a lot of #1s have won it all, anyone who gets a #1 seed is a good team. I think Kentucky will add to that this year, because I think they are the best team, but if for some crazy reason got a #2 seed instead of a 1, I would still pick them. If it were such an advantage you would see far more #1's make it to the Final Four. Last year, Florida was the only #1 to make it to the Final Four. 2013 Louisville was the only #1 to make it to the Final Four (and two #2 seeds made it). YOu have to go back to 2009 before until you find the last Final 4 that had more than one #1 seed. Since 2010, there have been 4 #1s to reach the Final 4, and 4 #2s. Based on recent history, there is no advantage.
Of course I can. One, your seed only matters within your region. If you get out of your region, seeds are meaningless. And like I just noted, just as many 2 seeds have made the Final 4 in recent years as #1s. Louisville being a #1 seed in 2013 provided absolutely no advantage to them on neutral court in the Final 4 against other teams that won their regions and were also playing good basketball. If, Kentucky goes on to win it this year, is it because they are a #1 seed? Or is it because they are the best team? Obviously it coincides, but if you are the best team seeding has little to nothing to do with it.
Basically, I would argue that your argument is backwards. Typically, the best team in the country is going to get one of the top seeds. Certainly, the best team doesn't always win it, and certainly there are years where there is no clear cut favorite so you can argue a 2 or even 3 seed should be seeded higher. But, the actual seeding isnt an advantage. If you are the best team, you can win from any seed placement, its just that typically the top team is going to get a #1 seed.
Saw a list of close calls. 1989 Georgetown vs Princeton came down to a similar deal. Same year, Oklahoma escaped against East Tennessee State by 1. Michigan State needed OT in 1990 to beat Murray State by 4 (only time a #1 was taken to OT by a 16.Originally posted by tarheelbybirth:
Shoulda been Western Carolina over Purdue. I can still see Flemming's three-pointer banging off the back of the rim.Originally posted by SkyR#1fanCapCoug: And a #1 has never lost to a #16, so Duke may not get Mercer'd or Lehigh'd
If Carolina were also playing in Charlotte then yes. I remember the first two rounds in Greensboro in 2009. Both Carolina and do ok were playing there and the cookies had a very anti-Duke crowd thanks to the Heels fans sticking around to make some noise.
