What Are Your Early Thoughts on the ACC Tournament?

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I didn't spot an accurate picture of the brackets to post. This one hasn't been adjusted to reflect Louisville's dumb self-ban. But the only difference is that the 10-15 game isn't being played and #10 will get a bye to face #7 on the 2nd day. The rest of the bracket is unchanged.

If we use Pomeroy's projections, we'll be #1 and will probably face Pitt on Thursday. Could be Ga Tech, but Pitt seems more probable.

IIRC, the last time we beat Pitt in the regular season and faced them in the ACCT, they beat us. So, despite the easy win this season, we probably shouldn't be complacent.

Assuming we get by Pitt, we probably face UVa. On Pomeroy's list Duke and Virginia are tied but Duke beat UVa, so UVa is the #4 seed. Assuming I understand that correctly. Alternatively, we might face #5 Notre Dame.

Either game would be a rematch after a loss. And a win over UVa would be more satisfying than a win over ND. But more dangerous, too, I think.

Annoyingly, we then are likely to face Duke for the 3rd time in the Championship game. Might be Miami, but my bet is on Duke. Hopefully that's a rubber match (meaning we split in the regular season). If not, we would be facing the ignominious possibility of losing 3 times to Duke in one season (with a possible 4th meeting in the NCAAT). Has that ever happened? We need to make sure it never does.

If we do meet Miami in the Championshio game, I wouldn't count on it being easy. Roy made Larranaga look bad.

 

[imajericho]

We won't be first or duke wont have the uva tiebreaker. It is impossible.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Well, Duke is down to tied for 4th if Pomeroy is right and lost to ND, so would be the 5th seed.

So now our 2nd game is likely to be ND or Duke and we could meet UVa in the championship, baring upsets.

 

[gary-7]

We need to win it.

 

[ohio tarheels]

No injuries and Marcus playing well are my 2 thoughts

 

[gobblercalls]

We need to win it.

Ah, another brilliant insight...

 

[bleeduncblue]

Reminds me of how much I LOVE the ACCT ... a lot of folks (especially the over 50 crowd) talk about the "good old days" and how much better the tourney used to be .. and how it should never leave the state of NC, etc etc .. but I still really enjoy it and look forward to it every single year!

 

[gary-7]

Ah, another brilliant insight...

How original. Post less... or never.

 

[Bubspub88]

I would love to another shot at both ND and UVa on a neutral court

 

[2DDIMOND]

Well, Duke is down to tied for 4th if Pomeroy is right and lost to ND, so would be the 5th seed.

So now our 2nd game is likely to be ND or Duke and we could meet UVa in the championship, baring upsets.

You are assuming we are going to be the 1 seed, I like the way you are thinking but there is a lot of bball yet to be played before the ACC Tourney.

 

[Archer2]

Reminds me of how much I LOVE the ACCT ... a lot of folks (especially the over 50 crowd) talk about the "good old days" and how much better the tourney used to be .. and how it should never leave the state of NC, etc etc .. but I still really enjoy it and look forward to it every single year!

As one of the old geezers, I can definitively state they it was much more meaningful when you had to win it to make the NCAAT. I realize it determines the ACC Champion but it means much less to me today. Admittedly, it does have bearing on our NCAAT seed though.

 

[imajericho]

UNC has to win out to be the 1 seed.

 

[bleeduncblue]

As one of the old geezers, I can definitively state they it was much more meaningful when you had to win it to make the NCAAT. I realize it determines the ACC Champion but it means much less to me today. Admittedly, it does have bearing on our NCAAT seed though.

I hear ya. Regardless of what bearing it has, I just love the tournament and the excitement that builds up to the Championship game. It's just a fun 4 days of basketball, IMO.

 

[gteeitup]

my thoughts?

hmmm, i think it's a terrible format...i don't think it means as much as it did in 20 years, and i don't really care anymore unless carolina has to win it to get in?...that's happened three times in the last 30 years, right?

the last time i had an interest in it that i watched every game, or set everything aside to watch, was probably roy's second year at carolina.

 

[HeelFan58]

I want to win the ACCT. The last few championship game appearances have been losses to the likes of FSU , Miami and Notre Dame.

 

[DSouthr]

I don't get nearly as up for the ACCT as I used to, I mean we are going to have what 5 or 6 teams in the tourney anyway. And for us winning it so we can lock up a 1 seed, not even sure that maters all that much because the 1 & 2 seeds it matter more where you play IMO more than if you are a 1. I would rather we be a 2 seed and play in the east or south brackets than be a 1 seed and play out west or mid west.

Don't get me wrong, much rather we win it, prefer we win the regular season because to me the regular season winner is more the true champion than the ACCT winner is ever since leagues became able to have more than one team from their conference in the NCAAT.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Reminds me of how much I LOVE the ACCT ... a lot of folks (especially the over 50 crowd) talk about the "good old days" and how much better the tourney used to be .. and how it should never leave the state of NC, etc etc .. but I still really enjoy it and look forward to it every single year!

Still good. But count me as one who liked it better in the past.

Fewer teams and fewer byes.

With a conference comprised of 9 or 10 teams everybody plays everybody else twice. So none of this nonsense that some teams play easier schedules.

And only 1 or 2 get a first round bye.

This year 10 of the teams in our 15-team conference get a 1st round bye. Yes, two thirds of the conference get a bye. And 4 of those 10 also get a 2nd round bye. That seriously cheapens the regular season, imo.

I also liked it better with the ACC championship being on Sunday.

 

[HeelFan58]

I don't get nearly as up for the ACCT as I used to, I mean we are going to have what 5 or 6 teams in the tourney anyway. And for us winning it so we can lock up a 1 seed, not even sure that maters all that much because the 1 & 2 seeds it matter more where you play IMO more than if you are a 1. I would rather we be a 2 seed and play in the east or south brackets than be a 1 seed and play out west or mid west.
Don't get me wrong, much rather we win it, prefer we win the regular season because to me the regular season winner is more the true champion than the ACCT winner is ever since leagues became able to have more than one team from their conference in the NCAAT.

We would all like to think the regular season winner is the champ but the inescapable fact is it's the tournament winner. If we win the ACCT then if we don't win the NCAAT we still have something to brag about. Did you guys not get sick and f#cking tired of dook winning all those ACCT's?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

You are assuming we are going to be the 1 seed, I like the way you are thinking but there is a lot of bball yet to be played before the ACC Tourney.

Not really. I'm just starting with the Pomeroy final season W-L numbers. Which could prove wrong, of course.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

UNC has to win out to be the 1 seed.

No.

We are #1 if we split our final games and neither UVa, Miami, Notre Dame, nor Duke win out. We would be tied with Miami in that case and win the tiebreaker, and we would beat the others on record.

I don't know what happens if we beat Syracuse, lose to Duke and Duke wins out and Miami also goes 1-1 (or worse). Does it depend on our records against the next team? If so, and the next team is Miami, then we win, But if the next team is UVa, then Duke wins.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

This year 10 of the teams in our 15-team conference get a 1st round bye. Yes, two thirds of the conference get a bye. And 4 of those 10 also get a 2nd round bye. That seriously cheapens the regular season, imo.

I don't see how the byes cheapen the regular season. By having one of the top 4 records in the regular season, you get two byes, which is a much stronger position than if you had one of the bottom 5-6 regular seasons and have to win 5 games as opposed to 3 to win the tournament. And the teams in the middle of the pack have to win 4 games to win the tournament.

If you're saying those teams such as BC, who will probably finish this year 0-18 in ACC play, even being invited to the ACCT cheapens the regular season, then I can get on board with that.

 

[CanuckChuck]

No.

We are #1 if we split our final games and neither UVa, Miami, Notre Dame, nor Duke win out. We would be tied with Miami in that case and win the tiebreaker, and we would beat the others on record.

I don't know what happens if we beat Syracuse, lose to Duke and Duke wins out and Miami also goes 1-1 (or worse). Does it depend on our records against the next team? If so, and the next team is Miami, then we win, But if the next team is UVa, then Duke wins.

No.

If UNC splits then ND and Duke are eliminated. The Heels only hold the tiebreaker on Miami and UL and UVA play each other. They would need ND to beat Miami and UL to beat UVA in that scenario.

CC

 

[ChapelHeeled]

UNC has to win out to be the 1 seed.

Stupid statement...

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Stupid statement...

I actually agree with ChapelHeeled on something!!!!

A UNC win against Cuse, loss on the road to Duke, and a birth in the ACCT Finals would probably be enough to keep the 1 seed. UNC is currently projected for a 1 seed, so it's "ours to lose" at this point you could say. If they beat Cuse and Duke to close out the regular season, winning a game in the ACCT (aka making the ACCT semi-finals) would probably be enough to secure the 1 seed, assuming we didn't get bounced out of the ACCT by BC or something.

 

[imajericho]

I actually agree with ChapelHeeled on something!!!!

A UNC win against Cuse, loss on the road to Duke, and a birth in the ACCT Finals would probably be enough to keep the 1 seed. UNC is currently projected for a 1 seed, so it's "ours to lose" at this point you could say. If they beat Cuse and Duke to close out the regular season, winning a game in the ACCT (aka making the ACCT semi-finals) would probably be enough to secure the 1 seed, assuming we didn't get bounced out of the ACCT by BC or something.

We are talking about the ACC tourney dude...

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

We are talking about the ACC tourney dude...

Well, that's embarrassing, haha - I guess I got mixed up between threads and assumed we were talking NCAAT.

As WWJD pointed out, there's the possibility that we could still be the #1 even if we drop one of these last two games - however I'd say that the chances of the rest of the dominoes falling our way if we lose one of these last two are very slim.

 

[gteeitup]

only the top 8 teams should make conference tournaments

this idea that a "cinderella" team can come from a team that goes 6-12 or worse in a league is garbage.

plus, i've always preferred weighting the regular season more no matter the circumstance.

also, roy doesn't care so why should anyone else?...boom!

 

[Bur-Heel]

Still can't understand why it's in D.C.!!..stupid!!..geographically,it doesn't make any sense..who are we catering to..vt and uva?..guess I'm biased,but it should never be played nowhere but Greensboro!!

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I don't see how the byes cheapen the regular season. By having one of the top 4 records in the regular season, you get two byes, which is a much stronger position than if you had one of the bottom 5-6 regular seasons and have to win 5 games as opposed to 3 to win the tournament. And the teams in the middle of the pack have to win 4 games to win the tournament.

If you're saying those teams such as BC, who will probably finish this year 0-18 in ACC play, even being invited to the ACCT cheapens the regular season, then I can get on board with that.

"Cheapens" in the sense that if you are fighting for only 1 or 2 byes it really makes winning the regular season worth something - and really worth fighting for. Whereas if nearly everyone gets a bye and 4 teams get a double bye you only have to take the regular season seriously enough so that you don't screw the pooch.

 

[r_u_worthy]

I don't really look at it as double buys. Actually there are 3 play-in games or Les Miles Invitationals. Then we have 4 prelim's to see who gets to play in the actual tourney. The Top 4 seeds get put straight into the actual tourney (consisting of quarters, semis and final). Probably semantics. I think its marketing spin to try to sell more tickets for the early round games.

 

[2DDIMOND]

only the top 8 teams should make conference tournaments

this idea that a "cinderella" team can come from a team that goes 6-12 or worse in a league is garbage.

plus, i've always preferred weighting the regular season more no matter the circumstance.

also, roy doesn't care so why should anyone else?...boom!

2011 UConn Huskies say hello, I know their record was better than 6-12 but they had to win 5 straight to win the Big East tourney to get in the field then proceeded to win the whole dang thing.

 

[gteeitup]

2011 UConn Huskies say hello, I know their record was better than 6-12 but they had to win 5 straight to win the Big East tourney to get in the field then proceeded to win the whole dang thing.

they were .500 in the best league and won 25 games, iirc...i see your point, but in my criteria, they would've been allowed in their conference tourney.

 

[2DDIMOND]

they were .500 in the best league and won 25 games, iirc...i see your point, but in my criteria, they would've been allowed in their conference tourney.

Yeah, I couldn't remember their record, just remember they had a helluva run. I do know they won 5 games in 5 days to win the Big East tourney but wasn't sure if they had to win it to get in the NCAA. I agree that I don't think we'll see that again in any conference. I still like to see 'em all play, with an upset, the higher seeds can get an easier game......in theory.

 

[2DDIMOND]

Yeah, I couldn't remember their record, just remember they had a helluva run. I do know they won 5 games in 5 days to win the Big East tourney but wasn't sure if they had to win it to get in the NCAA. I agree that I don't think we'll see that again in any conference. I still like to see 'em all play, with an upset, the higher seeds can get an easier game......in theory.

I also remember UConn being down 4 to St. Joseph's with about a half minute to play in the rnd of 32, that championship almost didn't happen a couple times.

 

[BillyL]

Still can't understand why it's in D.C.!!..stupid!!..geographically,it doesn't make any sense..who are we catering to..vt and uva?..guess I'm biased,but it should never be played nowhere but Greensboro!!

Wash., DC this year and they're finalizing a deal to have it in Brooklyn @ the Barclays Center in 2017 . . after Maryland left the ACC, having it in Wash., DC doesn't seem worthwhile . . I believe they'll be rotating the ACC-T between New York and Carolina here on out.
Barclays Ctr. is a top notch arena . .

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I'd love to see it rotate up to the Barclays center. I went there for the UCLA game this year and it's definitely a nice arena, and more accessible for me.