Who starts at PG next year?
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Starting and AWESOME 5...............................................
Berry
Paige
Jackson
Brice
Meeks
Berry
Paige
Jackson
Brice
Meeks
Yeah it's gotta be Berry. I cannot wait to see how he develops. Hopefully it's a Ty Lawson-type jump from freshman to sophomore to season.
Indeed, and given that he is already more advanced than Ty at the same stage, that is an exciting proposition.
Our system places mucho responsibility on the PG and now that the learning curve has been done, watch out!
Uhhh exactly what I said. JB is ahead as a shooter, passer, defender and floor leader. Ty as a freshman was still a talented but rough work in progress. Made big jump but still often drove Roy crazy even as a Sophomore. Light really came on as a Junior and his shot got to be a weapon as well.
No offense....but Berry is not in the same ball park as Ty Lawson. When I see Berry push the ball at road runner speed without turning it over or getting it blocked let's talk.... Until then don't go there.
I agree with Scout... Ty's strengths overwhelmed any weaknesses he had by far and he's probably the best point guard Roy has ever had for his system. Pushing the ball from end to end was/is what Roy loves most. Berry's shot may be better than Ty's, but that's not enough to consider Berry a better player.
Must also take into account that Ty was the only true point guard his freshman year on that UNC team. Bobby Frasor and Marcus Ginyard were more wing type players. So Ty's mistakes in his game as an 18 year old kid were magnified by minutes and opportunities. Berry had a comfortable role this season, being actually 1 of 5 point guards on the team with pretty valuable experience (can't forget Luke and Stillman). Therefore, it was a little easier of a transition, not a ton asked from him. Just be yourself and don't worry about carrying the team.
I'm a huge fan of Joel and think he's gotta be our starter in order for us to really get to the next level, as well as us being more of a 2-3 zone club next season with such a small backcourt.
This post was edited on 4/12 1:57 PM by EmJay14
Must also take into account that Ty was the only true point guard his freshman year on that UNC team. Bobby Frasor and Marcus Ginyard were more wing type players. So Ty's mistakes in his game as an 18 year old kid were magnified by minutes and opportunities. Berry had a comfortable role this season, being actually 1 of 5 point guards on the team with pretty valuable experience (can't forget Luke and Stillman). Therefore, it was a little easier of a transition, not a ton asked from him. Just be yourself and don't worry about carrying the team.
I'm a huge fan of Joel and think he's gotta be our starter in order for us to really get to the next level, as well as us being more of a 2-3 zone club next season with such a small backcourt.
This post was edited on 4/12 1:57 PM by EmJay14
I hope y'all are right about Berry...I really do....he reminds me more of a King Rice type PG...good at everything but not great at anything.
Based on what exactly? All of Lawson's shooting percentages from his freshman year were higher than Berry's this year and he beat out frasor (a McD all american and had a great freshman season) by like the 3rd game of the year while Berry took all season just to become the backup. But ill give you an A for effort
I think this whole discussion goes to my point that this is a very watered down UNC bball era as far as perimeter play, compared to some of our best.
Because of the fact that this team is such a terrible shooting team, people think that the second best outside shooter, Joel Berry, was a better shooter than Ty Lawson in their same respective freshman seasons. That's the perception of it. But the reality is Ty Lawson was maybe our 5th best outside shooter that year behind Reyshawn Terry, Wayne Ellington, Danny Green and Bobby Frasor, yet his shooting percentage was STILL better than Berry's this season.
This fact is also the reason I'm so reluctant to crown Paige of much. When I hear people mention him as a top 10 UNC player it makes me cringe.
Because of the fact that this team is such a terrible shooting team, people think that the second best outside shooter, Joel Berry, was a better shooter than Ty Lawson in their same respective freshman seasons. That's the perception of it. But the reality is Ty Lawson was maybe our 5th best outside shooter that year behind Reyshawn Terry, Wayne Ellington, Danny Green and Bobby Frasor, yet his shooting percentage was STILL better than Berry's this season.
This fact is also the reason I'm so reluctant to crown Paige of much. When I hear people mention him as a top 10 UNC player it makes me cringe.
Berry is good and will get better..........................
Ty was AWESOME and got better-better!
gary, we all know you love Berry but come on man!
Ty was AWESOME and got better-better!
gary, we all know you love Berry but come on man!
Y'know what, Mikey. I'm wrong.
And my buddy who coached against both Ty and JB is wrong as well.
Even though the reality is that while Ty was immensely talented when he got here, he was good but not exactly awesome as a freshman, and that he got all that 1st-year PT because Bobby Frasor blew a knee... yep, I'm wrong.
And the fact that Ty made a huge jump in his second year and a bigger jump his Jr year, something I said I believe JB will do as well?... never mind. I was wrong.
And as for those JB skills at passing, shooting and floor generalship... guess I was wrong again.
I vividly remember Lawson frustrating the crap outta me as a Freshman .. I was seriously worried bc of all the hype. Berry may not be quite as good right now but the gap is not as large as many think.
I think where Berry will be way ahead of Ty is shooting. But the rest of his game will have to really improve big time to catch Ty.
And just so we clear here, we are talking about one of the very best PGs to ever pull on a Tar Heel jersey folks.
Gary, I know you love Berry as do many of us, but he's just not there with Ty. But very few are.
And just so we clear here, we are talking about one of the very best PGs to ever pull on a Tar Heel jersey folks.
Gary, I know you love Berry as do many of us, but he's just not there with Ty. But very few are.
That might be true. But Lawson's ceiling was substantially higher than Berry's. I like Joel, I really do. I want him and the team to succeed. But he will never be Ty Lawson. If he makes it to Felton's level, I'll be over-the-moon happy. But even then, he's got quite a ways to go.
frasor blew out his knee during lawson's sophomore year, so yes you are wrongOriginally posted by gary-7:
Y'know what, Mikey. I'm wrong.
And my buddy who coached against both Ty and JB is wrong as well.
Even though the reality is that while Ty was immensely talented when he got here, he was good but not exactly awesome as a freshman, and that he got all that 1st-year PT because Bobby Frasor blew a knee... yep, I'm wrong.
And the fact that Ty made a huge jump in his second year and a bigger jump his Jr year, something I said I believe JB will do as well?... never mind. I was wrong.
And as for those JB skills at passing, shooting and floor generalship... guess I was wrong again.
All I know is when Lawson took the ball to the hole he very rarely got it swatted back in his face...he got it to the rim for a score a foul or a stick back rebound. When Berry goes to the hole more often than not it gets thrown back...no comparison.
By the numbers..........................
Ty as a freshman-10.2 pts per game 2.9 Rebounds 5.6 Assist 56.4% from 2 35.6% from 3 68.8% from the line
Berry as a freshman-4.2 pts per game .9 Rebounds 1.5 Assist 45.1% from 2 35.4% from 3 75.7% from the line
Ty as a freshman-10.2 pts per game 2.9 Rebounds 5.6 Assist 56.4% from 2 35.6% from 3 68.8% from the line
Berry as a freshman-4.2 pts per game .9 Rebounds 1.5 Assist 45.1% from 2 35.4% from 3 75.7% from the line
WoW, Gary got yall stirred up on that one ! LOL
I think gary is part right and the other part I find hard to agree. Ty came to UNC with that incredible speed and quickness but believe it or not, as a freshman there were aspects of his game that a case for Berry being a bit better at are IMO valid. I absolutely agree that Berry is/was a better defender than Ty was, fact is defense for his first couple seasons was not something Ty did but for short periods of games, Roy was on him constantly about that. As a floor general that gets his team mates involved, I give that edge to Joel as well, TY tended to play to fast a lot in that frosh season, Roy had to slow him down a bit. As jump shooters, IMO is was much closer I would maybe give the edge to Joel but both needed to work on their stroke in the off season after freshman seasons.
But what folks still recall about Ty was his speed & quickness, he was a one man fast break even as a frosh but the real difference maker to me was his amazing ball handling. I watched Ty, one of the few you will ever see even as a freshman, be able to penatrate any defense & thru multiple defenders with his dribble in tact and still be able to finish. That was an amazing weapon that Joel, heck mere mortals just do not own, TY had it, Ty used it, and he had Hansbourgh to dish it off to, automatic assist. Ty came with so much more potential than Joel, he didn't always use his ability IMO as well as Joel, but Ty was a stronger weapon as a freshman, he was in a word unguardable when he wanted to be.
I personally don't like the comparison of Joel to Ty, someone said apples to prges, I agree, they are just so different types of guards. I prefer a comparison of Joel to Ray Felton, I do think had Joel been handed the job in pre-season that folks may have seen this comparison as being at least a better discussion than bringing Ty in to it. But all 3 of these names really needed to work on their jump shooting between frosh & soph seasons, both Ty & ray did that, we have to see the results of Joel's work in that area.
So here I am deja vu all over again, this same time last year I was calling for Joel Berry to start, here I am again with the same message, I just don't see any other valid option, in truth I didn't a year ago either. The cool part is I took up the my public stance on Joel starting as a strong minority opinion, felt like I was on a island of 1 way back then, now that is more than the majority opinion, it is hard to find anyone that would disagree at this point, feels good .
I think gary is part right and the other part I find hard to agree. Ty came to UNC with that incredible speed and quickness but believe it or not, as a freshman there were aspects of his game that a case for Berry being a bit better at are IMO valid. I absolutely agree that Berry is/was a better defender than Ty was, fact is defense for his first couple seasons was not something Ty did but for short periods of games, Roy was on him constantly about that. As a floor general that gets his team mates involved, I give that edge to Joel as well, TY tended to play to fast a lot in that frosh season, Roy had to slow him down a bit. As jump shooters, IMO is was much closer I would maybe give the edge to Joel but both needed to work on their stroke in the off season after freshman seasons.
But what folks still recall about Ty was his speed & quickness, he was a one man fast break even as a frosh but the real difference maker to me was his amazing ball handling. I watched Ty, one of the few you will ever see even as a freshman, be able to penatrate any defense & thru multiple defenders with his dribble in tact and still be able to finish. That was an amazing weapon that Joel, heck mere mortals just do not own, TY had it, Ty used it, and he had Hansbourgh to dish it off to, automatic assist. Ty came with so much more potential than Joel, he didn't always use his ability IMO as well as Joel, but Ty was a stronger weapon as a freshman, he was in a word unguardable when he wanted to be.
I personally don't like the comparison of Joel to Ty, someone said apples to prges, I agree, they are just so different types of guards. I prefer a comparison of Joel to Ray Felton, I do think had Joel been handed the job in pre-season that folks may have seen this comparison as being at least a better discussion than bringing Ty in to it. But all 3 of these names really needed to work on their jump shooting between frosh & soph seasons, both Ty & ray did that, we have to see the results of Joel's work in that area.
So here I am deja vu all over again, this same time last year I was calling for Joel Berry to start, here I am again with the same message, I just don't see any other valid option, in truth I didn't a year ago either. The cool part is I took up the my public stance on Joel starting as a strong minority opinion, felt like I was on a island of 1 way back then, now that is more than the majority opinion, it is hard to find anyone that would disagree at this point, feels good .
In all honesty Dave, Joel wasn't quite ready right out of the gate last season. He didn't distance himself from Britt in the beginning. Still think the injury-illness set him back some but loved what I saw down the stretch.
I agree its hard to compare the 2 altho I do think the stats would have been closer and that Berry's 3pt % would have been a lot higher without the injury. I would love to see his stats once he returned or even just acc and NCAA tourneys once he got his feet under him. I think it effects point guards the most as fr if they miss significant playing time
All I know is I'm really looking forward to seeing Berry-Jackson-Theo and Hicks also this coming season.
Something tells me you're referring to a kid from Kinston who may join our roster. Hope your optimism holds true!Originally posted by BillyL:
I'd like to see exactly who is on our roster for next season before offering my thoughts on which PG should be starting . .
