Why Berry should start instead of Tokoto against Arkanas

[IDUNK4HEELS]

Not a dig against Tokoto at all. As much as he brings to the team on both sides of the ball his biggest weakness might be his ball handling and that may prove deadly against a Arkansas team that lead the Sec with over 8 steals a game and they like to press.

If anyone really watched the Duke game the Blue Devils made their comeback when they went to a zone press and Carolina just fell apart.

With Berry in the game Paige can concentrate on scoring instead of having to run the team

If I had to then pick between Jackson or Tokoto at the three position I would go with Jackson for the simple reason he is looking to score where Tokoto does not always per the trigger when he is open.

The team would greatly miss Tokoto's great athletic ability especially his defense and rebounding but against a team who also likes to go up and down the court and press this seems like at least for this game that Berry would be the obvious choice to destroy the Razorback press.

I realize that Coach Williams does not like to change line ups but this suggestion might be the one that will allow UNC to make it to the sweet 16...what do you think?


This post was edited on 3/20 11:31 PM by IDUNK4HEELS

 

[ethanga62890]

I think our starting lineup should be Berry/Paige/Jackson/Brice/Hicks

It's clearly the best lineup for the type of game we like to play.

 

[IDUNK4HEELS]

That is a great lineup but who would come in for Hicks and Johnson---Meeks and James---no way. But no question that would be the best 5 on the floor in crunch time.

 

[Ozheelfan]

Originally posted by IDUNK4HEELS:
....

If I had to then pick between Jackson or Tokoto at the three position I would go with Jackson for the simple reason he is looking to score where Tokoto does not always per the trigger when he is open.

...what do you think?



This post was edited on 3/20 11:31 PM by IDUNK4HEELS

Disagree.

I'd start Tokoto and have Justin come in off the bench, either as a stretch 4 or to swap out with JP at 3.

Main reason is to start with good lock-down defense on Qualls and Madden. They're both 6-5/6-6 and strong and JP will be needed there from the opening tip.

Also, with Berry starting, Paige is freed up on offence. Justin won't be missed as much but he can then provide instant scoring off the bench.

 

[thaUNCshow]

I dont care who starts as much as its imparative that the rotation gets trimmed. Absolutely no reason joel james or jackson simmons should even step on the court unless hicks, brice and meeks all have 4 fouls. Berry and hicks should be the only guys getting minutes off the bench with britt and pinson coming in if were in horrible foul trouble or someone is hurt. Roy's subsitions turned what shouldve been a 30 point game into a 2 point game

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Here's my starting 5........................

Berry
Paige
JP
Jackson
Brice/Hicks (Start Brice, the 2nd he gets lazy-in comes Hicks)

 

[bleeduncblue]

Originally posted by mikeirbyusa:
Here's my starting 5........................

Berry
Paige
JP
Jackson
Brice/Hicks (Start Brice, the 2nd he gets lazy-in comes Hicks)

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Talk about a FAST starting 5, that would be it!

 

[WoadBlue]

Originally posted by mikeirbyusa:
Here's my starting 5........................

Berry
Paige
JP
Jackson
Brice/Hicks (Start Brice, the 2nd he gets lazy-in comes Hicks)

As Portis is skinny, that might be the best bet. If team has a tough wide body 5, no way can you risk Johnson at the 5. But as good as Portis is, he is skinny.

Tokoto may prove the key player for us. We need his size and D toughness, but his propensity for TOs could killl us, especially if the Refs allow Arkansas to get away all kinds of fouls. And that happens often.

 

[heels05champs]

This game is a horrible matchup for meeks and James. I do not like the thought of our traditional starters trying to run with arkansas. Meeks will need limited minutes and James should see less than 2 minutes. To win this game, we need a heavy dose of athletes on the court (Berry, paige, tokoto, Jackson, Johnson and hicks).

What scares me is this is not your typical unc team. They do not run well, do not get back on defense and have struggled in up tempo games (example: dook, ND, UK). If they can't get back on Defense today and throw the ball all over the place then it'll be a loss.

 

[ChiShankCity]

All season a Berry and Paige lineup has been pretty disastrous defensively. It's been really good offensively. I think Berry will end up playing quite a bit out of necessity tonight.

And I'm expecting more subs than even Roy is used to tonight due to the pace of the game. Expect to see some odd lineups.

 

[IDUNK4HEELS]

Arkansas has a big powerful center who I do not feel Johnson can hold down. James may have to step up

 

[deandisciple]

My question is this, since this is going to be an uptempo game. What do the pigs have in substitutions of their starters? How much drop off in talent would they experience while having to make subs?

 

[TarHeelMark]

Originally posted by SJung851:

Expect to see some odd lineups.

... and how is that different from any other UNC game this season?

 

[gary-7]

Originally posted by SJung851:
All season a Berry and Paige lineup has been pretty disastrous defensively.

Not true. Adjust for the increased tempo generated (we score much faster) and that is statistically false.

 

[coolo]

Maybe starting Berry will build his confidence but my vote is start with our normal rotation and then make coaching adjustments. I do agree Berry may need to get more burn due to how Arkansas plays the game.

 

[BillyL]

It matters little who starts . .

 

[LifeboatParty]

"Expect to see some odd lineups."

Lately, that goes without saying.

Gina

 

[Tru Blu Tar Heel]

Originally posted by LifeboatParty:
"Expect to see some odd lineups."

Lately, that goes without saying.

Gina

With that said, I'm shocked we haven't seen an ultra big lineup of:

Tokoto
Jackson
Hicks
Johnson
James

 

[coolo]

Originally posted by BillyL:
It matters little who starts . .

Probably right...However starting Berry could help the flow and his confidence, which in turn could matter.

 

[BillyL]

Originally posted by coolo:

Originally posted by BillyL:
It matters little who starts . .

Probably right...However starting Berry could help the flow and his confidence, which in turn could matter.

Do you think taking Tokoto out of the starting line-up is going to help his confidence any . . ?

Do you really think this team is better with Tokoto on the bench and Berry in the line-up . . ? Roy doesn't . .

Starting Berry tonight puts a 6'1"175 lb. Paige on a 6'5" 182 lb.SG (Rashad Madden) . . after Madden drives down the lane 3 times, Paige will be sitting on the bench with 2 fouls the way the refs have blown their whistles of late.

If, Paige goes out of tonight's line-up for any considerable amount of time, Arkansas will be ahead by 12 at halftime. Paige matches up with the Arkansas freshman PG perfectly (Anton Beard 6'0") . . . and Tokoto matches up very well with Madden(6'5" v. 6'5") . .

 

[imajericho]

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by coolo:

Originally posted by BillyL:
It matters little who starts . .

Probably right...However starting Berry could help the flow and his confidence, which in turn could matter.

Do you think taking Tokoto out of the starting line-up is going to help his confidence any . . ?

Do you really think this team is better with Tokoto on the bench and Berry in the line-up . . ? Roy doesn't . .

Starting Berry tonight puts a 6'1"175 lb. Paige on a 6'5" 182 lb.SG (Rashad Madden) . . after Madden drives down the lane 3 times, Paige will be sitting on the bench with 2 fouls the way the refs have blown their whistles of late.

If, Paige goes out of tonight's line-up for any considerable amount of time, Arkansas will be ahead by 12 at halftime. Paige matches up with the Arkansas freshman PG perfectly (Anton Beard 6'0") . . . and Tokoto matches up very well with Madden(6'5" v. 6'5") . .

Disagree. I don't even see how having an even skinnier person than Paige makes him unguardable by paige? He is 4 inches taller yet 7 lbs bigger. Thus, he is skinnier and has less muscle.



If anything, Paige would be fast enough to keep up in comparison to Tokoto.


That said, we need to not make our lineup based on how to match up with them size wise. We need to match up to run the court and keep the ball.

Our 2 guard line up has been better all season.

 

[BillyL]

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by coolo:

Originally posted by BillyL:
It matters little who starts . .

Probably right...However starting Berry could help the flow and his confidence, which in turn could matter.

Do you think taking Tokoto out of the starting line-up is going to help his confidence any . . ?

Do you really think this team is better with Tokoto on the bench and Berry in the line-up . . ? Roy doesn't . .

Starting Berry tonight puts a 6'1"175 lb. Paige on a 6'5" 182 lb.SG (Rashad Madden) . . after Madden drives down the lane 3 times, Paige will be sitting on the bench with 2 fouls the way the refs have blown their whistles of late.

If, Paige goes out of tonight's line-up for any considerable amount of time, Arkansas will be ahead by 12 at halftime. Paige matches up with the Arkansas freshman PG perfectly (Anton Beard 6'0") . . . and Tokoto matches up very well with Madden(6'5" v. 6'5") . .

Disagree. I don't even see how having an even skinnier person than Paige makes him unguardable by paige? He is 4 inches taller yet 7 lbs bigger. Thus, he is skinnier and has less muscle.



If anything, Paige would be fast enough to keep up in comparison to Tokoto.


That said, we need to not make our lineup based on how to match up with them size wise. We need to match up to run the court and keep the ball.

Our 2 guard line up has been better all season.

Because starting Berry puts Berry on their PG and Paige on their SG, that;s the way it's been whenever JB and MP are teamed together in a game . . but, either way, we'll have a 6'0" or a 6'1" lightweight guard trying to cover their 6'5" SG . .

Read SJung's post in this thread, Berry and Paige together have been a disaster for us defensively this year, and he's correct. 2 small guards against our opponent's backcourt have killed us this year.

 

[Tru Blu Tar Heel]

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by coolo:

Originally posted by BillyL:
It matters little who starts . .

Probably right...However starting Berry could help the flow and his confidence, which in turn could matter.

Do you think taking Tokoto out of the starting line-up is going to help his confidence any . . ?

Do you really think this team is better with Tokoto on the bench and Berry in the line-up . . ? Roy doesn't . .

Starting Berry tonight puts a 6'1"175 lb. Paige on a 6'5" 182 lb.SG (Rashad Madden) . . after Madden drives down the lane 3 times, Paige will be sitting on the bench with 2 fouls the way the refs have blown their whistles of late.

If, Paige goes out of tonight's line-up for any considerable amount of time, Arkansas will be ahead by 12 at halftime. Paige matches up with the Arkansas freshman PG perfectly (Anton Beard 6'0") . . . and Tokoto matches up very well with Madden(6'5" v. 6'5") . .

Disagree. I don't even see how having an even skinnier person than Paige makes him unguardable by paige? He is 4 inches taller yet 7 lbs bigger. Thus, he is skinnier and has less muscle.



If anything, Paige would be fast enough to keep up in comparison to Tokoto.


That said, we need to not make our lineup based on how to match up with them size wise. We need to match up to run the court and keep the ball.

Our 2 guard line up has been better all season.

Because starting Berry puts Berry on their PG and Paige on their SG, that;s the way it's been whenever JB and MP are teamed together in a game . . but, either way, we'll have a 6'0" or a 6'1" lightweight guard trying to cover their 6'5" SG . .

Read SJung's post in this thread, Berry and Paige together have been a disaster for us defensively this year, and he's correct. 2 small guards against our opponent's backcourt have killed us this year.

I'm in full agreement that Berry and Paige struggle defensively and, as much as I would like to see them together, it just isn't conducive to getting stops.

 

[imajericho]

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by coolo:

Originally posted by BillyL:
It matters little who starts . .

Probably right...However starting Berry could help the flow and his confidence, which in turn could matter.

Do you think taking Tokoto out of the starting line-up is going to help his confidence any . . ?

Do you really think this team is better with Tokoto on the bench and Berry in the line-up . . ? Roy doesn't . .

Starting Berry tonight puts a 6'1"175 lb. Paige on a 6'5" 182 lb.SG (Rashad Madden) . . after Madden drives down the lane 3 times, Paige will be sitting on the bench with 2 fouls the way the refs have blown their whistles of late.

If, Paige goes out of tonight's line-up for any considerable amount of time, Arkansas will be ahead by 12 at halftime. Paige matches up with the Arkansas freshman PG perfectly (Anton Beard 6'0") . . . and Tokoto matches up very well with Madden(6'5" v. 6'5") . .

Disagree. I don't even see how having an even skinnier person than Paige makes him unguardable by paige? He is 4 inches taller yet 7 lbs bigger. Thus, he is skinnier and has less muscle.



If anything, Paige would be fast enough to keep up in comparison to Tokoto.


That said, we need to not make our lineup based on how to match up with them size wise. We need to match up to run the court and keep the ball.

Our 2 guard line up has been better all season.

Because starting Berry puts Berry on their PG and Paige on their SG, that;s the way it's been whenever JB and MP are teamed together in a game . . but, either way, we'll have a 6'0" or a 6'1" lightweight guard trying to cover their 6'5" SG . .

Read SJung's post in this thread, Berry and Paige together have been a disaster for us defensively this year, and he's correct. 2 small guards against our opponent's backcourt have killed us this year.

Where are these stats that it is a disaster for us defensively?

Berry has been a blessing defensively.

Paige is a perimeter liability regardless.

Tokoto is a transition liability due to turnovers.


Tokoto is just a blessing for defensive rebounding.

 

[BillyL]

Tokoto is second only to Marcus in assists . . (4.4) to (4.2) . . . our 3rd leading rebounder (5.5 per game) . . . second in steals Paige 1.6 to JP's 1.5 and our 4th ranked scorer (8.7ppg)

JP's FG% is 41.9% to JB's 37.7% . .

You want to limit Tokoto's minutes for Berry to start . . ? No thanks . . and I can assure you that Roy won't either.

 

[imajericho]

Originally posted by BillyL:
Tokoto is second only to Marcus in assists . . (4.4) to (4.2) . . . our 3rd leading rebounder (5.5 per game) . . . second in steals Paige 1.6 to JP's 1.5 and our 4th ranked scorer (8.7ppg)

JP's FG% is 41.9% to JB's 37.7% . .

You want to limit Tokoto's minutes for Berry to start . . ? No thanks . . and I can assure you that Roy won't either.

This is so flawed.

First of all, Tokoto assists per game 4.2 TURNOVERS per GAME 2.3.
Berry Assists per game 1.5 Turnovers per game .6


Tokoto MINUTES per GAME 28.9
Berry MINUTES per GAME 13.1

Tokoto assists per MINUTE .145 Tokoto TURNOVERS per MINUTE .079
Berry assists per MINUTE .115 Berry TURNOVERS per MINUTE .045

Toko A/TO 1.83
Berry A/TO 2.5



Like I said, Tokoto brings rebounding. He also brings more TOs.

 

[BillyL]

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by BillyL:
Tokoto is second only to Marcus in assists . . (4.4) to (4.2) . . . our 3rd leading rebounder (5.5 per game) . . . second in steals Paige 1.6 to JP's 1.5 and our 4th ranked scorer (8.7ppg)

JP's FG% is 41.9% to JB's 37.7% . .

You want to limit Tokoto's minutes for Berry to start . . ? No thanks . . and I can assure you that Roy won't either.

This is so flawed.

First of all, Tokoto assists per game 4.2 TURNOVERS per GAME 2.3.
Berry Assists per game 1.5 Turnovers per game .6


Tokoto MINUTES per GAME 28.9
Berry MINUTES per GAME 13.1

Tokoto assists per MINUTE .145 Tokoto TURNOVERS per MINUTE .079
Berry assists per MINUTE .115 Berry TURNOVERS per MINUTE .045

Toko A/TO 1.83
Berry A/TO 2.5



Like I said, Tokoto brings rebounding. He also brings more TOs.

Rebounding on both ends of the court and he's better defensively. Berry is not a Tokoto on defense.

 

[imajericho]

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by BillyL:
Tokoto is second only to Marcus in assists . . (4.4) to (4.2) . . . our 3rd leading rebounder (5.5 per game) . . . second in steals Paige 1.6 to JP's 1.5 and our 4th ranked scorer (8.7ppg)

JP's FG% is 41.9% to JB's 37.7% . .

You want to limit Tokoto's minutes for Berry to start . . ? No thanks . . and I can assure you that Roy won't either.

This is so flawed.

First of all, Tokoto assists per game 4.2 TURNOVERS per GAME 2.3.
Berry Assists per game 1.5 Turnovers per game .6


Tokoto MINUTES per GAME 28.9
Berry MINUTES per GAME 13.1

Tokoto assists per MINUTE .145 Tokoto TURNOVERS per MINUTE .079
Berry assists per MINUTE .115 Berry TURNOVERS per MINUTE .045

Toko A/TO 1.83
Berry A/TO 2.5



Like I said, Tokoto brings rebounding. He also brings more TOs.

Rebounding on both ends of the court and he's better defensively. Berry is not a Tokoto on defense.

Berry brings Perimeter defense. Tokoto brings man-to-man defense. Each has his benefits.

Berry's assist numbers are even down some because he doesn't get as much run with the starters as Tokoto does.

 

[BillyL]

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by BillyL:
Tokoto is second only to Marcus in assists . . (4.4) to (4.2) . . . our 3rd leading rebounder (5.5 per game) . . . second in steals Paige 1.6 to JP's 1.5 and our 4th ranked scorer (8.7ppg)

JP's FG% is 41.9% to JB's 37.7% . .

You want to limit Tokoto's minutes for Berry to start . . ? No thanks . . and I can assure you that Roy won't either.

This is so flawed.

First of all, Tokoto assists per game 4.2 TURNOVERS per GAME 2.3.
Berry Assists per game 1.5 Turnovers per game .6


Tokoto MINUTES per GAME 28.9
Berry MINUTES per GAME 13.1

Tokoto assists per MINUTE .145 Tokoto TURNOVERS per MINUTE .079
Berry assists per MINUTE .115 Berry TURNOVERS per MINUTE .045

Toko A/TO 1.83
Berry A/TO 2.5



Like I said, Tokoto brings rebounding. He also brings more TOs.

Rebounding on both ends of the court and he's better defensively. Berry is not a Tokoto on defense.

Berry brings Perimeter defense. Tokoto brings man-to-man defense. Each has his benefits.

Berry's assist numbers are even down some because he doesn't get as much run with the starters as Tokoto does.

Then you evidently missed Tokoto's defense on Wesley Saunders the very last possession of the Harvard game . . can you say 'smothered' . . ?

 

[imajericho]

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by BillyL:
Tokoto is second only to Marcus in assists . . (4.4) to (4.2) . . . our 3rd leading rebounder (5.5 per game) . . . second in steals Paige 1.6 to JP's 1.5 and our 4th ranked scorer (8.7ppg)

JP's FG% is 41.9% to JB's 37.7% . .

You want to limit Tokoto's minutes for Berry to start . . ? No thanks . . and I can assure you that Roy won't either.

This is so flawed.

First of all, Tokoto assists per game 4.2 TURNOVERS per GAME 2.3.
Berry Assists per game 1.5 Turnovers per game .6


Tokoto MINUTES per GAME 28.9
Berry MINUTES per GAME 13.1

Tokoto assists per MINUTE .145 Tokoto TURNOVERS per MINUTE .079
Berry assists per MINUTE .115 Berry TURNOVERS per MINUTE .045

Toko A/TO 1.83
Berry A/TO 2.5



Like I said, Tokoto brings rebounding. He also brings more TOs.

Rebounding on both ends of the court and he's better defensively. Berry is not a Tokoto on defense.

Berry brings Perimeter defense. Tokoto brings man-to-man defense. Each has his benefits.

Berry's assist numbers are even down some because he doesn't get as much run with the starters as Tokoto does.

Then you evidently missed Tokoto's defense on Wesley Saunders the very last possession of the Harvard game . . can you say 'smothered' . . ?

When he missed a decent shot from three?

What are you talking about?


Let's put it this way... every person Tokoto is put on to shut down... he does from the field... but they still finish with like 20 points or so due to foul shots.


So, you tell me how much exactly his defense is shut down.


Think about who he was put on all year?

I am not saying he is bad because he is good with length. But, he gets blown by a lot which leads to us using help defense which ends up fouling or a kick out from three.

I mean he needs to be on a post player or a pop and shot player. His quickness is suspect.

Berry has quickness on his side.

Two different types of players.

 

[BillyL]

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by BillyL:
Tokoto is second only to Marcus in assists . . (4.4) to (4.2) . . . our 3rd leading rebounder (5.5 per game) . . . second in steals Paige 1.6 to JP's 1.5 and our 4th ranked scorer (8.7ppg)

JP's FG% is 41.9% to JB's 37.7% . .

You want to limit Tokoto's minutes for Berry to start . . ? No thanks . . and I can assure you that Roy won't either.

This is so flawed.

First of all, Tokoto assists per game 4.2 TURNOVERS per GAME 2.3.
Berry Assists per game 1.5 Turnovers per game .6


Tokoto MINUTES per GAME 28.9
Berry MINUTES per GAME 13.1

Tokoto assists per MINUTE .145 Tokoto TURNOVERS per MINUTE .079
Berry assists per MINUTE .115 Berry TURNOVERS per MINUTE .045

Toko A/TO 1.83
Berry A/TO 2.5



Like I said, Tokoto brings rebounding. He also brings more TOs.

Rebounding on both ends of the court and he's better defensively. Berry is not a Tokoto on defense.

Berry brings Perimeter defense. Tokoto brings man-to-man defense. Each has his benefits.

Berry's assist numbers are even down some because he doesn't get as much run with the starters as Tokoto does.

Then you evidently missed Tokoto's defense on Wesley Saunders the very last possession of the Harvard game . . can you say 'smothered' . . ?

When he missed a decent shot from three?

What are you talking about?


Let's put it this way... every person Tokoto is put on to shut down... he does from the field... but they still finish with like 20 points or so due to foul shots.


So, you tell me how much exactly his defense is shut down.


Think about who he was put on all year?

I am not saying he is bad because he is good with length. But, he gets blown by a lot which leads to us using help defense which ends up fouling or a kick out from three.

I mean he needs to be on a post player or a pop and shot player. His quickness is suspect.

Berry has quickness on his side.

Two different types of players.

Okay, let's look at it in another direction, the thread title is why you should start Berry instead of Tokoto . . correct . . ?

If, you start Berry tonight, who of your 5 starters will be covering Arkansas' SF and second leading scorer, Michael Qualls . . . ?

 

[imajericho]

Originally posted by IDUNK4HEELS:
Not a dig against Tokoto at all. As much as he brings to the team on both sides of the ball his biggest weakness might be his ball handling and that may prove deadly against a Arkansas team that lead the Sec with over 8 steals a game and they like to press.

If anyone really watched the Duke game the Blue Devils made their comeback when they went to a zone press and Carolina just fell apart.

With Berry in the game Paige can concentrate on scoring instead of having to run the team

If I had to then pick between Jackson or Tokoto at the three position I would go with Jackson for the simple reason he is looking to score where Tokoto does not always per the trigger when he is open.

The team would greatly miss Tokoto's great athletic ability especially his defense and rebounding but against a team who also likes to go up and down the court and press this seems like at least for this game that Berry would be the obvious choice to destroy the Razorback press.

I realize that Coach Williams does not like to change line ups but this suggestion might be the one that will allow UNC to make it to the sweet 16...what do you think?


This post was edited on 3/20 11:31 PM by IDUNK4HEELS

Justin Jackson is going to guard him.

We are going to outscore Arkansas with a quick fast paced attack that can break their press.

Louisville murdered us with their press.
Duke did also.

Arkansas will also if we play with the lineups the way we did then.

Hell, I wouldn't even mind going small and having tokoto play the 4 with johnson as the 5.

We need a 2 guard attack on the floor.

 

[BillyL]

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by IDUNK4HEELS:
Not a dig against Tokoto at all. As much as he brings to the team on both sides of the ball his biggest weakness might be his ball handling and that may prove deadly against a Arkansas team that lead the Sec with over 8 steals a game and they like to press.

If anyone really watched the Duke game the Blue Devils made their comeback when they went to a zone press and Carolina just fell apart.

With Berry in the game Paige can concentrate on scoring instead of having to run the team

If I had to then pick between Jackson or Tokoto at the three position I would go with Jackson for the simple reason he is looking to score where Tokoto does not always per the trigger when he is open.

The team would greatly miss Tokoto's great athletic ability especially his defense and rebounding but against a team who also likes to go up and down the court and press this seems like at least for this game that Berry would be the obvious choice to destroy the Razorback press.

I realize that Coach Williams does not like to change line ups but this suggestion might be the one that will allow UNC to make it to the sweet 16...what do you think?


This post was edited on 3/20 11:31 PM by IDUNK4HEELS

Justin Jackson is going to guard him.

We are going to outscore Arkansas with a quick fast paced attack that can break their press.

Louisville murdered us with their press.
Duke did also.

Arkansas will also if we play with the lineups the way we did then.

Hell, I wouldn't even mind going small and having tokoto play the 4 with johnson as the 5.

We need a 2 guard attack on the floor.

Qualls would eat Jackson alive . .

Listen, since neither you or I are HOF coaches, why don't we let Roy Williams decide who we put on Qualls and who should start and/or play the most minutes tonight.

 

[Tru Blu Tar Heel]

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by BillyL:
Tokoto is second only to Marcus in assists . . (4.4) to (4.2) . . . our 3rd leading rebounder (5.5 per game) . . . second in steals Paige 1.6 to JP's 1.5 and our 4th ranked scorer (8.7ppg)

JP's FG% is 41.9% to JB's 37.7% . .

You want to limit Tokoto's minutes for Berry to start . . ? No thanks . . and I can assure you that Roy won't either.

This is so flawed.

First of all, Tokoto assists per game 4.2 TURNOVERS per GAME 2.3.
Berry Assists per game 1.5 Turnovers per game .6


Tokoto MINUTES per GAME 28.9
Berry MINUTES per GAME 13.1

Tokoto assists per MINUTE .145 Tokoto TURNOVERS per MINUTE .079
Berry assists per MINUTE .115 Berry TURNOVERS per MINUTE .045

Toko A/TO 1.83
Berry A/TO 2.5



Like I said, Tokoto brings rebounding. He also brings more TOs.

Rebounding on both ends of the court and he's better defensively. Berry is not a Tokoto on defense.

But Billy, rebounding from the PG and rebounding from the SG shouldn't be an even measure. As the 2, Tokoto must have a much higher rebounding opportunity % than Berry would from the PG slot. Just playing devil's advocate, I would love to see the percentage of rebounds secure compared to rebounding opportunity. And before anyone annoints me as the "stats" guy, I don't have the patience to sit and tally that stat during the game, nor afterwards.

 

[coolo]

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by coolo:

Originally posted by BillyL:
It matters little who starts . .

Probably right...However starting Berry could help the flow and his confidence, which in turn could matter.

Do you think taking Tokoto out of the starting line-up is going to help his confidence any . . ?

Do you really think this team is better with Tokoto on the bench and Berry in the line-up . . ? Roy doesn't . .

Starting Berry tonight puts a 6'1"175 lb. Paige on a 6'5" 182 lb.SG (Rashad Madden) . . after Madden drives down the lane 3 times, Paige will be sitting on the bench with 2 fouls the way the refs have blown their whistles of late.

If, Paige goes out of tonight's line-up for any considerable amount of time, Arkansas will be ahead by 12 at halftime. Paige matches up with the Arkansas freshman PG perfectly (Anton Beard 6'0") . . . and Tokoto matches up very well with Madden(6'5" v. 6'5") . .

Hey man calm down... Did I say anything about benching JP? Sheesh...

 

[imajericho]

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by IDUNK4HEELS:
Not a dig against Tokoto at all. As much as he brings to the team on both sides of the ball his biggest weakness might be his ball handling and that may prove deadly against a Arkansas team that lead the Sec with over 8 steals a game and they like to press.

If anyone really watched the Duke game the Blue Devils made their comeback when they went to a zone press and Carolina just fell apart.

With Berry in the game Paige can concentrate on scoring instead of having to run the team

If I had to then pick between Jackson or Tokoto at the three position I would go with Jackson for the simple reason he is looking to score where Tokoto does not always per the trigger when he is open.

The team would greatly miss Tokoto's great athletic ability especially his defense and rebounding but against a team who also likes to go up and down the court and press this seems like at least for this game that Berry would be the obvious choice to destroy the Razorback press.

I realize that Coach Williams does not like to change line ups but this suggestion might be the one that will allow UNC to make it to the sweet 16...what do you think?


This post was edited on 3/20 11:31 PM by IDUNK4HEELS

Justin Jackson is going to guard him.

We are going to outscore Arkansas with a quick fast paced attack that can break their press.

Louisville murdered us with their press.
Duke did also.

Arkansas will also if we play with the lineups the way we did then.

Hell, I wouldn't even mind going small and having tokoto play the 4 with johnson as the 5.

We need a 2 guard attack on the floor.

Qualls would eat Jackson alive . .

Listen, since neither you or I are HOF coaches, why don't we let Roy Williams decide who we put on Qualls and who should start and/or play the most minutes tonight.

You act like Arkansas is like a NBA team. Clemson beat them for god sakes.

 

[coolo]

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by IDUNK4HEELS:
Not a dig against Tokoto at all. As much as he brings to the team on both sides of the ball his biggest weakness might be his ball handling and that may prove deadly against a Arkansas team that lead the Sec with over 8 steals a game and they like to press.

If anyone really watched the Duke game the Blue Devils made their comeback when they went to a zone press and Carolina just fell apart.

With Berry in the game Paige can concentrate on scoring instead of having to run the team

If I had to then pick between Jackson or Tokoto at the three position I would go with Jackson for the simple reason he is looking to score where Tokoto does not always per the trigger when he is open.

The team would greatly miss Tokoto's great athletic ability especially his defense and rebounding but against a team who also likes to go up and down the court and press this seems like at least for this game that Berry would be the obvious choice to destroy the Razorback press.

I realize that Coach Williams does not like to change line ups but this suggestion might be the one that will allow UNC to make it to the sweet 16...what do you think?



This post was edited on 3/20 11:31 PM by IDUNK4HEELS

Justin Jackson is going to guard him.

We are going to outscore Arkansas with a quick fast paced attack that can break their press.

Louisville murdered us with their press.
Duke did also.

Arkansas will also if we play with the lineups the way we did then.

Hell, I wouldn't even mind going small and having tokoto play the 4 with johnson as the 5.

We need a 2 guard attack on the floor.

Qualls would eat Jackson alive . .

Listen, since neither you or I are HOF coaches, why don't we let Roy Williams decide who we put on Qualls and who should start and/or play the most minutes tonight.

You act like Arkansas is like a NBA team. Clemson beat them for god sakes.

 

[coolo]

Interesting change as soon as JB walks on the floor. Hope it helps with him in the game... We will see.
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[ChiShankCity]

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by imajericho:

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by coolo:

Originally posted by BillyL:
It matters little who starts . .

Probably right...However starting Berry could help the flow and his confidence, which in turn could matter.

Do you think taking Tokoto out of the starting line-up is going to help his confidence any . . ?

Do you really think this team is better with Tokoto on the bench and Berry in the line-up . . ? Roy doesn't . .

Starting Berry tonight puts a 6'1"175 lb. Paige on a 6'5" 182 lb.SG (Rashad Madden) . . after Madden drives down the lane 3 times, Paige will be sitting on the bench with 2 fouls the way the refs have blown their whistles of late.

If, Paige goes out of tonight's line-up for any considerable amount of time, Arkansas will be ahead by 12 at halftime. Paige matches up with the Arkansas freshman PG perfectly (Anton Beard 6'0") . . . and Tokoto matches up very well with Madden(6'5" v. 6'5") . .

Disagree. I don't even see how having an even skinnier person than Paige makes him unguardable by paige? He is 4 inches taller yet 7 lbs bigger. Thus, he is skinnier and has less muscle.



If anything, Paige would be fast enough to keep up in comparison to Tokoto.


That said, we need to not make our lineup based on how to match up with them size wise. We need to match up to run the court and keep the ball.

Our 2 guard line up has been better all season.

Because starting Berry puts Berry on their PG and Paige on their SG, that;s the way it's been whenever JB and MP are teamed together in a game . . but, either way, we'll have a 6'0" or a 6'1" lightweight guard trying to cover their 6'5" SG . .

Read SJung's post in this thread, Berry and Paige together have been a disaster for us defensively this year, and he's correct. 2 small guards against our opponent's backcourt have killed us this year.

Where are these stats that it is a disaster for us defensively?

Berry has been a blessing defensively.

Paige is a perimeter liability regardless.

Tokoto is a transition liability due to turnovers.


Tokoto is just a blessing for defensive rebounding.

Defensive efficiency:

Tweet courtesy of @FreeportKid

https://twitter.com/FreeportKid/status/579450237523271680

Berry/Paige is 112.7.
104.9 in all Berry minutes-- the 2-PG lineups have definitely struggled on the defensive end.