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Why did Ky lose last night?

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I would suggest things like so much youth but they had more experience this season than most of Kal's teams have had at Ky. One thing that IMO may have been a major factor is that maybe they actually had to much talent on that team to the extent that it tended to step on itself at crunch time. They had been able to out talent every other opponent this season but Whisky was able to match up with them better inside. But was that talent they had ever really able to get in to a flow and have players abale to carry that team? Hard to do when you have so many personalities looking to be the man, lots of chiefs, where were the injuns?

Look at duke, got to give them credit, since K dismissed Soulimon, he has shorted his rotations and the players he goes to have been able to get their heads in the game, rather than have some hockey line rotational pattern with so many guys coming in cold. Take a kid playing really well, the last thing you want to do is pull him out and sit him on the bench for the next 7mins, we have struggled at times with this as well. when you have combinations like the twins, Booker, Lyles, WCS, & Townes out there you have a lot of alpha attitudes, which can be a really good thing if those alpha's don't step on each others attitudes. But if they do step on each other you tend to see a lot of one on one play and not a lot of looking for each other team play.

And yet look at Whisky, 2 team leaders in Kaminsky and Dekker but even those 2 do what they do within the frame work of the team itself. You see a lot of garbage man blue collar work with those whisky kids, look at their 2 man that made life so hard foir marcus, look at Dekker the 6'9" walking mismatch that can put the ball on the floor as a 3, look at even Kaminsky, won all those awards but really when you watch him, he just goes aboput his job in a blue collar sort of way, he plays within his ability and doesn't seem to try to go outside of his comfort zone, cool & calm & collected.

To me that was a match up of talent vs team, team won, this was Villinova vs Gtown, team won. Duke has cobbled together a really good team as well and they have taken advantage of a easy path to the title game but they are also playing together really well right now. This Whisky team showed me, vs us, and yet again last night, they are tuff minded kids and they don't quit just because you hit them in th emouth late in a game, they just get right back up and hit you even harder. Ky wasn't ready for that, not sure if duke will be either, duke is good at hitting others in the mouth but how well they take a team ready willing & able to hit back and not back down will be interesting to see.

I felt Ky was a completely awful matchup for duke, way to much size for duke to handle but whisky not only offers a different type of challenge but those whisky kids have not forgot duke coming in to their house this season and stealing one from them. I don't think Bo Ryan will have a problem with this whisky team looking over this duke team, I have a sneaky suspect that this bunch of whisky players really wanted one more crack at duke to be able to get revenge for that prior loss.

UNless the refs get whistle happy and put the whisky starting 5 in foul trouble, if the refs will let them play or at least call it down the middle, I don't think duke can take this whisky team the way they are playing right now. if the refs don't give it to the dukies those whisky players will take it from them but wondering if the refs will call a game down the middle when duke is involved is a song we have heard way to many times and it always comes out with the same sour note, odd fouls called on the opponents and strange calls & clock issues that tend to benifit duke.
 
astute as always but of course the REFS are pivotal

if this I gonna be one of "dook touch" games where EVERY time a dook player moves to the basket and someone just touches him or brushes up against him and a foul is called then Wiscy might lose and probably will .


The officials have bailed out dook so many times you lose track but of course they can do it again then
 
Both very good posts, guys.
If the zebras don't bail out dook (like Jones out of control drives where he initiates contact then flops) and call it square dook cannot defend Dekker and Kaminsky without fouling.
 
Cal does an exceptional job at melding high level talent. But The Harrison twins are a different issue, and I think caused him to lose that game. The Harrisons were the only two that seemed to pout when they didn't score. Such was the case last night. For some reason, one of the Harrisons just decided it was his time to shine at the end and be the star during the last few minutes. Sensible thing is to go through Towns, but Harrison decided otherwise.
 
I'll take a simple approach. Instead of hoping/praying a Harrison would bail him out with some wild drive + shot, Calipari should have been drawing up and executing plays intended for Towns down low. How many touches did he get in the last 5 minutes on the block? Poor coaching, poor execution.
 
Originally posted by gary-7:
Both very good posts, guys.
If the zebras don't bail out dook (like Jones out of control drives where he initiates contact then flops) and call it square dook cannot defend Dekker and Kaminsky without fouling.
In the last matchup, Minsky and Okafur pretty much cancelled each other out. Dekker was a non-factor as Winslow had him in check. Last game was called very fair, might I add. The problem Wiscy will have is stopping Cook, Jones, and/Winslow.
 
Originally posted by 32TheEnigma:

Originally posted by gary-7:
Both very good posts, guys.
If the zebras don't bail out dook (like Jones out of control drives where he initiates contact then flops) and call it square dook cannot defend Dekker and Kaminsky without fouling.
In the last matchup, Minsky and Okafur pretty much cancelled each other out. Dekker was a non-factor as Winslow had him in check. Last game was called very fair, might I add. The problem Wiscy will have is stopping Cook, Jones, and/Winslow.
Dekker will only be a non-factor if he chooses to be. When I watched them earlier in the season he would too often defer to other guys. He has become much more assertive as this season has hit crunch time. It looks like he finally realizes he is the best player on the floor. Nothing Winslow can do (legally, that is) is going to deny him. He took bigger UK guys to the rack and is a deadly outside shooter, as we know. As Dave correctly put it, Dekker is a walking mismatch.
 
Speaking of that December game, did Wisky have Treason Jackson available . . ?
 
Originally posted by gary-7:

Originally posted by 32TheEnigma:

Originally posted by gary-7:
Both very good posts, guys.
If the zebras don't bail out dook (like Jones out of control drives where he initiates contact then flops) and call it square dook cannot defend Dekker and Kaminsky without fouling.
In the last matchup, Minsky and Okafur pretty much cancelled each other out. Dekker was a non-factor as Winslow had him in check. Last game was called very fair, might I add. The problem Wiscy will have is stopping Cook, Jones, and/Winslow.
Dekker will only be a non-factor if he chooses to be. When I watched them earlier in the season he would too often defer to other guys. He has become much more assertive as this season has hit crunch time. It looks like he finally realizes he is the best player on the floor. Nothing Winslow can do (legally, that is) is going to deny him. He took bigger UK guys to the rack and is a deadly outside shooter, as we know. As Dave correctly put it, Dekker is a walking mismatch.
Dekker is 6-9 and can drilll 3s as well as drive to the basket and bang around the goal with players an inch or two talller. he is exactly one of the types of player that Roy desperately [/I]needs. The other main type is a dead-eye outside shooting Guard.
 
Originally posted by BillyL:

Speaking of that December game, did Wisky have Treason Jackson available . . ?
Plus Duke had Sillman who scored 14 pts 2nd on the team.
 
To be honest I think it came down to ego and coaching. UK had the look of, "we'll win, don't worry" whereas Wisc was playing composed and hard, like a team that realized the game could go either way.

The other big one that stood out to me was coaching - Ryan simply out coached Cal. Cal isn't necessarily a great Xs and Os coach, in my opinion, he's a fantastic ego-massager. Where other teams have struggled to incorporate freshmen or new rotations, Cal has done it brilliantly. He's also smart enough to teach the athletes D and then basically let's them run on O. Last night the faults with this style were clear. Where Ryan's team at the end had set plays and played composed, knowing how to run their offense, Cal's team was launching bad threes and looked lost - they were playing one-on-one. When you have the athletes that UK has, you are going to win more often than not but when you play a team that can handle your athleticism, you are in trouble. UK got into trouble last night for that reason.
 
Kentucky is loaded with big men but just not that strong at the guard position. Harrison twins are just vastly over rated , Booker is just a spot up shooter and Ulis is a good player but would be better as an extra in the next remake of The Wizard of Oz. The NCAAT demands smart and skilled guard play.
 
Originally posted by HeelFan58:

Kentucky is loaded with big men but just not that strong at the guard position. Harrison twins are just vastly over rated , Booker is just a spot up shooter and Ulis is a good player but would be better as an extra in the next remake of The Wizard of Oz. The NCAAT demands smart and skilled guard play.
That will be Wiscy's same issue, as well. Their guards are good and are very good shooters but they aren't athletic enough to play with Duke's trio. To beat Duke you have to have "breakdown" guards who can put it on the floor and create plays. Wiscy's guard are great facilitators for other guys, but aren't use to having to carry the offense. That will be the difference.
 
Originally posted by hills5:

To be honest I think it came down to ego and coaching. UK had the look of, "we'll win, don't worry" whereas Wisc was playing composed and hard, like a team that realized the game could go either way.

The other big one that stood out to me was coaching - Ryan simply out coached Cal. Cal isn't necessarily a great Xs and Os coach, in my opinion, he's a fantastic ego-massager. Where other teams have struggled to incorporate freshmen or new rotations, Cal has done it brilliantly. He's also smart enough to teach the athletes D and then basically let's them run on O. Last night the faults with this style were clear. Where Ryan's team at the end had set plays and played composed, knowing how to run their offense, Cal's team was launching bad threes and looked lost - they were playing one-on-one. When you have the athletes that UK has, you are going to win more often than not but when you play a team that can handle your athleticism, you are in trouble. UK got into trouble last night for that reason.
I read today that Kentucky looked at no game film of Wisconsin . . None.

I thought that to be very unusual for a college team trying to prepare for an opponent in the Final Four.
 
Originally posted by BillyL:

Speaking of that December game, did Wisky have Treason Jackson available . . ?
He played and put up 25 points.
 
That is super interesting if true Billy. With a whole week to prepare and not watch film…that seems like a terrible coaching decision.
 
In my opinion they lost because of 2 main things:

1) when they went up by 4 with about 45 minutes to play they decided to start running the shot clock down to 5 before looking for a shot which usually meant a rushed attempt by one of the Harrison twins.

2) kind of related to #1 but how does a guy as talented as Towns with such an advantage only get 11 shot attempts in a game. He should have easily gotten about 20 as there was no one the Badgers who could keep him out of the paint. It reminded me of Carolina/Harvard where we decided to start taking jumpers instead of pounding the ball inside where on every possession we could get a 5' jumper at worst
 
Originally posted by hills5:
That is super interesting if true Billy. With a whole week to prepare and not watch film…that seems like a terrible coaching decision.
No,that's called being too damn cocky,Typical of Calishady.
 
Originally posted by hills5:

That is super interesting if true Billy. With a whole week to prepare and not watch film…that seems like a terrible coaching decision.
Yep . . . they're b!tching about that over on Rupp Rafters, along with everything else under the sun, mostly its the refs that gave the game to the Badgers.

No mention of anything that went their way though . . certainly not that missed flagrant 1 foul against Trey Lyles.
 
I like Duke's chances more against Wisconsin than Kentucky. Kentucky's length would've given us fits, and Cook and Jones wouldn't have been able to guard the much bigger Harrison twins.

Against Wisconsin, Kaminsky and Okafor basically cancel each other out. Don't think either one will be able to guard the other too well.

In the first game, Dekker was injured and held to five points. He's obviously healthy and playing out of his mind right now so I'm sure he'll play better, but so will Winslow. Also held to five points, but he was a passive Freshman playing in his first road game against a big-time team. He's improved leaps and bounds since then and I could see this matchup going either way.

Nigel Hayes has an advantage over Matt Jones, they win this one.

Tyus Jones and Quinn Cook have a huge advantage over Gasser and Koennig, and this is where I think the game will be won for Duke. Neither of Wisconsin's guards (Or a one-legged Jackson) will be able to stop Jones or Cook and Duke as a team has been playing lights-out defense since the tournament has started (Defensive efficiency has improved from the 50s to number 12 right now, something Pomeroy can't remember ever seeing) while Wisconsin has seriously regressed in the same span (From the 20s to 55).

If I had to bet, I'd take Duke to win this game but wouldn't be shocked to see Wisnconsin win it.
 
Yeah, I guess you do man, duke could not handle that length that Ky have would thrown at your guys, Ky would have taken them by double digits IMO, it could have been really bad. Excuse me on the duke has been playing great defense, dude, they have had the ultimate cake walk to the final game, you serious that Zaga & MSU gets you to the final game? DAMN, really???

You do understand don't ya, Whisky beat us (as dukies know not an easy feat this season) the beat Arizona (the team I actually had winning it all) they beat Ky (the wire to wire #1 team in the country with size most NBA teams could not match) and now they get you guys. What did your dukies do, Utah, Gonzaga, and MSU? Seriously, don't talk about defense till ya beat a contender rather than the pretenders you have played in this tourney.
Originally posted by TraBuch:
I like Duke's chances more against Wisconsin than Kentucky. Kentucky's length would've given us fits, and Cook and Jones wouldn't have been able to guard the much bigger Harrison twins.

Against Wisconsin, Kaminsky and Okafor basically cancel each other out. Don't think either one will be able to guard the other too well.

In the first game, Dekker was injured and held to five points. He's obviously healthy and playing out of his mind right now so I'm sure he'll play better, but so will Winslow. Also held to five points, but he was a passive Freshman playing in his first road game against a big-time team. He's improved leaps and bounds since then and I could see this matchup going either way.

Nigel Hayes has an advantage over Matt Jones, they win this one.

Tyus Jones and Quinn Cook have a huge advantage over Gasser and Koennig, and this is where I think the game will be won for Duke. Neither of Wisconsin's guards (Or a one-legged Jackson) will be able to stop Jones or Cook and Duke as a team has been playing lights-out defense since the tournament has started (Defensive efficiency has improved from the 50s to number 12 right now, something Pomeroy can't remember ever seeing) while Wisconsin has seriously regressed in the same span (From the 20s to 55).

If I had to bet, I'd take Duke to win this game but wouldn't be shocked to see Wisnconsin win it.
 
Not our fault UVA and Villanova choked. Yeah, we got an easier road than Wisconsin, but I'd hardly call the Kenpom number 7, 8, and 15 teams an easy road and you'd say the same thing if you were in our position. There's no such thing as a cakewalk to the championship game. No matter who you are, you have to beat some tough teams to get to the championship game.

Even if we happen to beat Wisconsin, you'll come up with some reason that it's not "legit". If we lose, I'll have no problem admitting Wisconsin earned it. If we're fortunate enough to win, we earned it.
 
Originally posted by HeelFan58:

Is his first name really Treason??
dayum spell-check corrects whatever it pleases . . . and I missed it.

Traevon
 
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