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Why Isn't Louisville Recruiting Suffering?

What Would Jesus Do?

What Would Jesus Do?

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I see that Pitino just landed Lance Thomas - temporarily putting Louisville 1st in the ACC and 3rd in the nation for 2017 recruiting. Four 4* guys from #30 to #109. Which is fairly typical of his recruiting classes.

There doesn't seem to have been any negative impact from the scandal.

Is this because they self-imposed a ban last season? Or what?

I don't get it. What's different?
 
What's different is an entire Sports News Network, a Major Newspaper, and opposing coaches are not blowing their story up and using it to their advantage with little regard for the truth! There story was reported and then not talked about again until now when the response is due. Their investigation has taken only 1 year to complete also! Also the only fanbase that hates Louisville is Kentuck's and they live in a glass house!
 
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let's face it we have been REAMED by the NCAA over this entire academic mess and this has gone on for FIVE years> The media, fan bases like the doochbags at Derm and everywhere else, opposing coaches like K and Caliislime have had a field day at our expense.

They can all rot in hell as far as I am concerned. F em all
 
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What Would Jesus Do? said:
I see that Pitino just landed Lance Thomas - temporarily putting Louisville 1st in the ACC and 3rd in the nation for 2017 recruiting. Four 4* guys from #30 to #109. Which is fairly typical of his recruiting classes.

There doesn't seem to have been any negative impact from the scandal.

Is this because they self-imposed a ban last season? Or what?

I don't get it. What's different?
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Partially, I suspect, because their recruiting has always been disreputable... at least as long as I can remember. In other words, it's business as usual ( just without the Hoes now). The only thing that would hurt them is a coming ban, which they're trying to act like they've precluded. Thing is though, Pitino could get a "show-cause" out of this... we shall see.
 
Pitino can easily dismiss all of that. Obviously, the Whoors were there for him, and naive young ladies that they were, got lost - and then his fine young men gallantly helped them out. Case closed.
 
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Two cases, handled completely differently by the No Clue At All, ours dragged out for 5 years, theirs being handled expeditiously. And the negative effects on our recruiting are still being felt, don't be fooled into thinking otherwise. All part of the NCAA's plan, they're making an example of us.
 
WWJD, if you can't see the immense difference in the 2 scandals then nobody here can help you.
 
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WWJD, if you can't see the immense difference in the 2 scandals then nobody here can help you.
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I see differences. I just don't know why they seem to be able to shrug it off.

Gary's observation may explain part of that. If you aren't attracting kids with your reputation for integrity, then having your integrity questioned doesn't hurt you very much. But integrity was part of the UNC reputation, so having it challenged and dragged out hurts us more than it would hurt many other schools.
 
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TarHeelNation11 said:
Their recruiting hasn't suffered because Louisville has great basketball history, facilities, and now they're in the most elite conference in the country. It isn't rocket science.

But y'all feel free to keep casting stones while WE are still waiting NCAA penalties (though they will be light).
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I think you are missing the point. WE have all those things, too. So why does Louisville seem to be teflon-coated?
 
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It is not casting stones nor is it to excuse the actions and misdeeds of a rogue ACADEMIC dept that athletes benefited from..as well as many other regular students at Carolina.

To conclude that this mess has NOT had a huge effect on our recruiting over the past five years is to be as blind and unable to grasp reality as one can be. I would urge you to listen to ROY who I THINK knows a little more than you or I about the nature and reality of our recruiting during this 5 years period. According to an interview last year he said it costs us at LEAST six top tier players..but to some on this board and the clique over at OOTB, None of this matters. Roy has lost it and the game has passed him by.

As to Louisville yes they have had a great tradition and RP is a great coach

One only needs to do a google search to see just how may articles, reports, editorials and posts have been written in the media and elsewhere about Carolina and then compare that to the Louisville situation in a similar 1 year time period... frankly there is no comparison.

BTW I would suggest that you check out the ESPN article from Bilas TODAY who references the Carolina academic scandal as having a huge effect on our recruiting over the last 5 years.
 
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I think you are missing the point. WE have all those things, too. So why does Louisville seem to be teflon-coated?
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Keyser is correct in the above post.......our ordeal has been long and drawn-out (because it was a complex issue with many layers to be sifted through). Louisville's mess was pretty basic to sort through; UofL has already instituted a post-season ban, and their situation will be resolved soon.

Besides, Heels's meager success in the NBA has also hampered our recruiting in tandem with the NCAA stuff.
 
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Noy buying the heels lack of success in the NBA,programs like Mich St.,Villanova ect, hasn't fared any better and are still doing better thn us in recruiting.Opposing coaches who are recruiting the same kids as Roy,are filling their heads with lies about probation and no NCAA tournaments or Roy may not be coach if you go there.Until this finally goes away for good will Top tier recruits be interested in UNC.
 
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^ Michigan State can still hold claim to Draymond Green and Zach Randolph. Nova has Kyle Lowry. If you're looking for a school that recruits really, really well without producing NBA Stars (at least recently), look no further than Arizona. At 10.4 ppg, Jerry Bayless was the only Zona player in the league to average double figures in 2016. So yes, producing NBA talent/stars isn't always a positive correlation with recruiting.
 
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keysersosay#1 said:
It is not casting stones nor is it to excuse the actions and misdeeds of a rogue ACADEMIC dept that athletes benefited from..as well as many other regular students at Carolina.

To conclude that this mess has NOT had a huge effect on our recruiting over the past five years is to be as blind and unable to grasp reality as one can be. I would urge you to listen to ROY who I THINK knows a little more than you or I about the nature and reality of our recruiting during this 5 years period. According to an interview last year he said it costs us at LEAST six top tier players..but to some on this board and the clique over at OOTB, None of this matters. Roy has lost it and the game has passed him by.

As to Louisville yes they have had a great tradition and RP is a great coach

One only needs to do a google search to see just how may articles, reports, editorials and posts have been written in the media and elsewhere about Carolina and then compare that to the Louisville situation in a similar 1 year time period... frankly there is no comparison.

BTW I would suggest that you check out the ESPN article from Bilas TODAY who references the Carolina academic scandal as having a huge effect on our recruiting over the last 5 years.
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Key, totally agree the AFAM stuff really hit us hard, we have had what 4-5yrs of this constantly hanging over us? Honestly, how many other programs would have been able to survive thru all that much less play in the NCAA Title game last season.

But it isn't just isolated to the AFAM problems, there are other difficult issues we have had to go thru at the same times as the AFAM nonsense was blasted out by all sports news outlets. I made a list on another thread just to remind, it isn't just the one thing, it has been more a perfect storm that has hit us from every side imaginable. Yet some how we have survived, some how Roy has survived and in a way I believe this may have re-energized Roy because this is not how he wants his legacy to read and I believe he is dedicated to changing the perception that has been placed on us by our rivals. No matter what the kooky cliques may want, they can tap out "time to go ole Roy" all they want, they do not represent us and frankly the wuffies can have them back anytime they want them. LOL
 
keysersosay#1 said:
It is not casting stones nor is it to excuse the actions and misdeeds of a rogue ACADEMIC dept that athletes benefited from..as well as many other regular students at Carolina.

To conclude that this mess has NOT had a huge effect on our recruiting over the past five years is to be as blind and unable to grasp reality as one can be. I would urge you to listen to ROY who I THINK knows a little more than you or I about the nature and reality of our recruiting during this 5 years period. According to an interview last year he said it costs us at LEAST six top tier players..but to some on this board and the clique over at OOTB, None of this matters. Roy has lost it and the game has passed him by.

BTW I would suggest that you check out the ESPN article from Bilas TODAY who references the Carolina academic scandal as having a huge effect on our recruiting over the last 5 years.
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Dude thats absolute BULL about ootb. Werent u just on another thread whining about posters attacking each other Then u come in here and do precisely that? Noone on ootb has EVER said or inferred what u claim and i've quoted coach williams same as you did MYSELF defending his recruiting. Smfh
 
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The premise in the OP is that UofL is getting 3-4 star players. WE are also getting 3-4 star players (BOTH our current freshman class AND next year's class). The greatest complaint I keep hearing from UNC fans is that we are not getting the 5 star players. UofL is not getting them either. UNC already has one for next year, and is still in the running for 3 others.

I just never understand all the "concern" about our recruiting classes BEFORE THEY'RE COMPLETE. Be patient & let Roy does his work.
 
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The premise in the OP is that UofL is getting 3-4 star players. WE are also getting 3-4 star players (BOTH our current freshman class AND next year's class). The greatest complaint I keep hearing from UNC fans is that we are not getting the 5 star players. UofL is not getting them either. UNC already has one for next year, and is still in the running for 3 others.

I just never understand all the "concern" about our recruiting classes BEFORE THEY'RE COMPLETE. Be patient & let Roy does his work.
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As I've shown in a couple different threads over the past few months, our recruiting isn't "suffering" nearly as much as some of our fans believe it is. Look at every class Roy has signed since he's been at UNC. Only twice has he signed more than one top 20 player (06 and 13) and only 3 times (I think) has he signed more than two 5 star players. I did a pretty good breakdown in the OOTB thread titled Tar Heel Hoops. But that thread is over 100 pages so good luck finding my poast.
 
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Dude thats absolute BULL about ootb. Werent u just on another thread whining about posters attacking each other Then u come in here and do precisely that? Noone on ootb has EVER said or inferred what u claim and i've quoted coach williams same as you did MYSELF defending his recruiting. Smfh
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Didn't see he trashed OOTB toward the bottom of his poast (it was a tl;dr poast for sure). Now I'm irritated I gave him credit for the top of his poast.
 
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As I've shown in a couple different threads over the past few months, our recruiting isn't "suffering" nearly as much as some of our fans believe it is. Look at every class Roy has signed since he's been at UNC. Only twice has he signed more than one top 20 player (06 and 13) and only 3 times (I think) has he signed more than two 5 star players. I did a pretty good breakdown in the OOTB thread titled Tar Heel Hoops. But that thread is over 100 pages so good luck finding my poast.
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Actually, I just looked and remembered that we had a Tar Heel Hoops thread that went over 100 pages but it ended up being locked because of an argument between the OOTBers and the Raiderians. So I'm not sure that poast of mine is findable. But as my poast showed, our recruiting has been pretty normal recently when you look over the 13 years Roy has been here.
 
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What Would Jesus Do? said:
I see differences. I just don't know why they seem to be able to shrug it off.

Gary's observation may explain part of that. If you aren't attracting kids with your reputation for integrity, then having your integrity questioned doesn't hurt you very much. But integrity was part of the UNC reputation, so having it challenged and dragged out hurts us more than it would hurt many other schools.
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Ironic, ain't it?
 
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gunslingerdick said:
As I've shown in a couple different threads over the past few months, our recruiting isn't "suffering" nearly as much as some of our fans believe it is. Look at every class Roy has signed since he's been at UNC. Only twice has he signed more than one top 20 player (06 and 13) and only 3 times (I think) has he signed more than two 5 star players. I did a pretty good breakdown in the OOTB thread titled Tar Heel Hoops. But that thread is over 100 pages so good luck finding my poast.
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the poasts on that thread were heavy with knowledge and perspective...thanks for adding breakdown, well done.
 
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gunslingerdick said:
As I've shown in a couple different threads over the past few months, our recruiting isn't "suffering" nearly as much as some of our fans believe it is. Look at every class Roy has signed since he's been at UNC. Only twice has he signed more than one top 20 player (06 and 13) and only 3 times (I think) has he signed more than two 5 star players. I did a pretty good breakdown in the OOTB thread titled Tar Heel Hoops. But that thread is over 100 pages so good luck finding my poast.
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Well said gunslinger.
 
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