I like the way JB runs the point.But with the next nba draft being deep with point guards.It may benefit him to come back improve his stock and become a 1st round pick.
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Would it benefit Berry to come back for his senior year.
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They say it every year that the draft will be weaker. 1/4 of the NBA draft almost every year are international players. UNC will have a weaker team next year.
I think it can't hurt him to wait another year. If he gets even godlier with his 3pt shit abd his driving skill, he may be able to eke out a first round slot. Right now the major knocks on him have to be speed height and passing. He needs to show enough in other ways to make people forget that.
He wouldnt get drafted at this point so yea it would benefit him to come back
Joel's legacy will be made in college basketball - not the NBA. So he'll stay for his senior season and leave Chapel Hill as one of the best PGs we've ever had. I think he can get a roster spot on an NBA team and have a career. But I don't think he'll ever be more than a bench player.
Berry going undrafted? Really? If he shows out in the ACC and NCAAM tourney I wouldn't be surprised if he played his way into the late first round or definitely 2nd round. Are you telling me that Tyler Ulis is better than Berry coming out of UK? I think not. PG's that lack height are getting more opportunity in the league now than ever. I like Berry's chances.
I agree. Also look at Yogi Ferrell, he is getting a chance to be the starter in Dallas. I don't even think he was drafted. They released Deron Williams so they can give Ferrell every opportunity to be their PG of the future. If Ferrell can earn that opportunity, Berry can play at the next level.
Well, @heelmanwilm did say at this point and not after the tournament. Right now he is projected to go late second round at best.
It would benefit Carolina and it would benefit me as a big fan of JB but it would not benefit JB. His stock will not improve at all by coming back and there is the risk of injury or his stock dropping. He has had a great season and whether he can get drafted is questionable but another year will not change that.
JB has this thing called Heart that can not be measured by a tape measure. He is certainly better than Ulis and Ferrell and showed this head-to-head for the most part. I don't believe for a second he would go undrafted, but another year might improve his stock!
Selfishly, I hope he returns because he could take this team back into the conversation for top of the ACC and deep runs in the NCAAT next year. (especially if Knox comes!)
I also think it might be better for him in the long run, but I could see him easily making a roster next year and taking the reins without drop off when the starter needs a breather.
The only thing I know for sure is that at UNC he will get enough information for him and his family to make the best decision for them and not UNC!
Selfishly, I hope he returns because he could take this team back into the conversation for top of the ACC and deep runs in the NCAAT next year. (especially if Knox comes!)
I also think it might be better for him in the long run, but I could see him easily making a roster next year and taking the reins without drop off when the starter needs a breather.
The only thing I know for sure is that at UNC he will get enough information for him and his family to make the best decision for them and not UNC!
Yes if his season ended today i dont think hes drafted. Now if he shows out in the tourney maybe that changes. Its been dean and roy's policy to not recommend anyone leaving early if after consulting the many nba execs with unc ties they hear that its unlikely that the person go as a lottery pick or at least get first rd guaranteed money. The mock drafts may not be accurate in exactly where people go but theyre very close in predicting who gets drafted. Most dont have berry even drafted. Those that do have him going late second rd.
Imo hes gonna have to take his game to a whole new level to start in the nba. And that could very well happen. Lots of players make huge leaps from jr to sr years. I hope it does. But right now he doesnt pass the eye test to be an nba starter.
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The point isn't to just get drafted, just getting drafted get you in the D league!
Another year can't hurt!
Another year can't hurt!
Great post. You said something that many will just not admit when you said "it would benefit me as a fan of JB". That's 90% of it.
If you put JB in another uniform many opinions would be different. Heck, I understand it. Home fans will always want to see a great player come back. Just wish more folks will be more honest like you. Berry needs to do what is best for him and hopefully gets the full support of the fans.
I mean if hes a late second round pick this year he will be a late second round pick next year regardless, so if thats the case why not come back and see if you can improve on that? Only way I can see it changing is if he has a monster ACC and ncaa tourney and gets bumped into the first round.
Judging from the mocks, this year's draft is loaded with PGs at the top. But after the top 10 picks or so, it actually looks a little sparse.
There are going to be teams picking in the later 1st to middle 2nd rounds who will want a PG and see slim pickings. Berry should be fine, if he's willing to accept a 2nd round selection. Heck, some team may want a PG badly enough to bump him into the guaranteed money.
Based on his play, I think returning is the right thing. But based on the draft, he may want to go now.
In any case, he should put his name in and get all the feedback he can get. And it won't surprise me if that feedback leads him to stay in the draft.
There are going to be teams picking in the later 1st to middle 2nd rounds who will want a PG and see slim pickings. Berry should be fine, if he's willing to accept a 2nd round selection. Heck, some team may want a PG badly enough to bump him into the guaranteed money.
Based on his play, I think returning is the right thing. But based on the draft, he may want to go now.
In any case, he should put his name in and get all the feedback he can get. And it won't surprise me if that feedback leads him to stay in the draft.
If Luke Kennard was a Heel, many of our fans would be saying he needs to come back another year to improve his defense and move up to the lotto in lieu of late first round. I get it. Love our fans!
I love Berry and as a selfish fan, I want him to return. In addition to that, he's not really a draftable player. For a guy like Berry, there is no downside to returning other than having to continue to do schoolwork. He can either not get drafted this year or probably not get drafted next year. But at least with next year, there's still at least a chance he gets drafted.
I find myself wondering if Bradley will test the waters and, if so, if he will return.
I think he's shown well enough to be of interest to the pros this soon. The only question is whether some team will spend a 1st round pick on him without seeing how he develops in his second season, as a starter.
Think of it this way. If you are a pro scout who is thinking "we are almost certainly going to want him next year" then why not try to steal him now? Get him at #28 or so now instead of spending #14 next year or (more likely) missing out entirely.
It's also good for a youngster to go low - if that means going to a better team where he won't have to sink or swim out of the gate.
I think he's shown well enough to be of interest to the pros this soon. The only question is whether some team will spend a 1st round pick on him without seeing how he develops in his second season, as a starter.
Think of it this way. If you are a pro scout who is thinking "we are almost certainly going to want him next year" then why not try to steal him now? Get him at #28 or so now instead of spending #14 next year or (more likely) missing out entirely.
It's also good for a youngster to go low - if that means going to a better team where he won't have to sink or swim out of the gate.
He could also blow out a knee or have some othere serious injury coming back. Luckily, the injuries Berry has had so far have been minor. Also, most people would agree that the team next year (even with Berry) will not be as good as this year's team.
But thats the thing. Kennard IS projected as at least going in the first round..Berry isnt. Its a huge difference, and sort of negates the fan bias thing in my view.
Idk man. If we pull in Knox, we are looking at a starting five of Bradley, Maye, Knox, Pinson, Berry. with woods, williams, Felton and BRob coming off the bench. Thats a pretty athletic and talented group of 9, obviously not as experienced but Id argue maybe more talented.
McAddo was projected in first round after his freshman years and there was almost unanimous on this board that he should come back. It will never change with "most" our fans and as I said I get it. Heck, I want all our players to come back to benefit me , but players are looking at it differently than most fans. Can't blame our fans.
I've seen some mock drafts that have him in the second round. I think he comes back for one more year though.
Thats a different argument and would carry more weight with what youre saying. Mcadoo was also at least mid first round projected if I remember correctly. Thats a totally different ballgame than Joel Berry who on a lot of mock drafts isnt even in the second round, and those that do have him late second round. Saying our fans are being biased in this case doesnt really hold water. Its apples to oranges.
Okay, you loose Jackson, Hicks and Meeks and the Heels have a better team next year? The Heels have the best rebounding team in the nation this year.
My comment was referring to Luke Kennard. If Luke was on the Heels, many of our fans would want him to come back and improve to lotto pick. McAdoo was projected first round and it was almost unanimous on this board that he come back. You are making your self look silly. Please stop.
You were saying our fans are biased for thinking Joel Berry should come back- a borderline second round Draft pick at this moment. You then went on to use comparisons to Kennard and Mcadoo as proof that the unc fans are biased about wanting these players to stay. Mcadoo and Kennard both were/are projected first round picks, so again, the comparison or whatever is totally bogus. If youd have compared Berry to say, Marcus Paige when he was a Junior or even a sophomore then I may have agreed.
If you scroll up you will note that my comments about Kennard was completely independent of my comments about Berry. If was a separate post and an analogy I presented that had nothing to do with Berry. Then I subsequently presented similar situations (Kennard and McAdoo). McAdoo should have jumped after his freshman year and I was one of the few on this board to state this. I can see how you may have been confused, but hopefully now you are clear on my intent.
Probably not, but it's not impossible, as you seem to be suggesting.
It isn't unreasonable to expect Bradley to be very good next season.
Most of us probably expect Theo to (finally) have a great full year.
Allow Berry a normal year-over-year improvement.
Jalek, Seventh, Kenny, Brandon, Andrew, Rush - I expect at least 2 of those guys to be very good. Probably 3. That gives us our 4th starter and backups for PG and wings.
That's 4 positions solid.
The question mark is whether Luke, Huff and Sterling can fill in the remaining starting position and back up the front line. While none of them are likely to be as good as Isaiah, they may be good enough. And someone may surprise. Personally I don't expect too much from our freshman bigs in their first year. But I'm sure some here have a different view.
So basically we are one surprise away from being competitive with the current team. Where by competitive I mean it may just come down to whether Isaiah gets in early foul trouble. And if we add Knox, so much the better.
A key difference next year will be that we may struggle out of the gate. Less experience, especially up front. It will take a while to find out if the youngsters are going to be any good as frosh, and whether our rising sophs show the good growth we often see.
It would be a totally different type of team for sure-but if roy lands Knox, it has arguably more future NBA talent then this years team. Obviously like you said it would need time to come together but that group would have potential to be scary defensively and could flat out run.
ALL DRAFTS ARE NOT THE SAME, some are stronger than others, some are big man heavy, some are heavier for guards, each draft has to be looked at as its own entity. Saw someone in this thread state that because Ulis went where he did that Joel should be similar? The draft Ulis was drafted in has nothing at all to do with this next draft!
The next draft is a particular strong draft, strong for big men and strong for guards at the same time. There are a min of 10 players that will be drafted and slotted as NBA PGs that will go before Joel in the next draft. Now ask yourself, how many teams will look to draft a PG in either round, if it is more than 10 then Joel has a shot at the second round, if not he goes undrafted. Not because he can't play just this draft the way it stacks up deals him out. The draft after is not expected to be anywhere close to as strong as the next one and will be even lesser for PGs, similar to last years draft more so than the next one coming.
That is why Joel coming back makes sense, so he can be in the top 5 PGs taken rather than be outside of the top 10 PGs taken or in this case maybe not taken at all.
The next draft is a particular strong draft, strong for big men and strong for guards at the same time. There are a min of 10 players that will be drafted and slotted as NBA PGs that will go before Joel in the next draft. Now ask yourself, how many teams will look to draft a PG in either round, if it is more than 10 then Joel has a shot at the second round, if not he goes undrafted. Not because he can't play just this draft the way it stacks up deals him out. The draft after is not expected to be anywhere close to as strong as the next one and will be even lesser for PGs, similar to last years draft more so than the next one coming.
That is why Joel coming back makes sense, so he can be in the top 5 PGs taken rather than be outside of the top 10 PGs taken or in this case maybe not taken at all.
I think Berry would have to go for 20 and 10 in the final 9 games - with us winning them all - for him to climb into the first round of the draft.
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