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2016-2017 Depth Chart

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How you see the Depth Chart breaking down?

I see.

PG
Berry
Britt
Surratt

SG
Pinson
Woods
Williams

SF
Jackson
Robinson
Rush

PF
Hicks
Maye

C
Meeks
Bradley


Thoughts?
 
Playing with a true 4- I agree with what you have listed. If we play smaller, 5.. 3 wings and PG- that 4 spot could be Pinson, Maye, Robinson(?) I haven't really seen him play yet though...
 
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As I mentioned on the other thread, I'm not sure I see Theo being a 2 guard. His skills are better suited for the 3 (or even a small ball 4). Just hasn't shown he can knock down the open 3's with consistency. So in that case, I figure whoever performs better in practice out of 7th and Kenny should be the starting SG. But we all know it'll be Nate regardless.
 
How you see the Depth Chart breaking down?

I see.

PG
Berry
Britt
Surratt

SG
Pinson
Woods
Williams

SF
Jackson
Robinson
Rush

PF
Hicks
Maye

C
Meeks
Bradley


Thoughts?

I would have Kenny at SG ahead of Woods and IMO, Theo the "human catapult" won't be at the 2...he is more a 3 or 4 as mentioned above. Surratt is an explosive athlete so it will be interesting to see what skills he brings in to compliment the team. We really need another big or two and/or a PF but then JJ, if available, could slide from 3 to 4 and back again. I think we need another couple of kids at a strong level to complete the package.
 
I think Britt would be ahead of Robinson and Williams... possibly Woods too. I don't agree with it on what I know about Woods on paper, but I see it likely.
 
How you see the Depth Chart breaking down?

I see.

PG
Berry
Britt
Surratt

SG
Pinson
Woods
Williams

SF
Jackson
Robinson
Rush

PF
Hicks
Maye

C
Meeks
Bradley


Thoughts?




My first thought is that it is far too early to even begin to be accurate with this type of thing. However, there is NOT ANY DOUBT that UNC will have an ABUNDANCE of talent at the two and the three spots next season. Also, PG should be well stocked. Pinson played a lot of PF this season. I think that he may do this again next season. However, UNC will be in very good shape at EVERY position, in my opinion. Another run at the National Championship could well be on the way. This time UNC will pull it off if they do indeed get back (imo). GO HEELS!
 
My first thought is that it is far too early to even begin to be accurate with this type of thing. However, there is NOT ANY DOUBT that UNC will have an ABUNDANCE of talent at the two and the three spots next season. Also, PG should be well stocked. Pinson played a lot of PF this season. I think that he may do this again next season. However, UNC will be in very good shape at EVERY position, in my opinion. Another run at the National Championship could well be on the way. This time UNC will pull it off if they do indeed get back (imo). GO HEELS!




Brandon Robinson Strokes...



 
I agree that Pinson's best position is the 3. However, he can play the 2 and the only scenario where he gets zero minutes at the 2 is Jackson not being on the team next year. Pinson is not Strickland or Tokoto, he did make 18 threes/shooting 29% last year. Tokoto only made 21 threes for his entire career/27%, Strickland 20 made three's for his entire career/22%.
 
How you see the Depth Chart breaking down?

I see.

PG
Berry
Britt
Surratt

SG
Pinson
Woods
Williams

SF
Jackson
Robinson
Rush

PF
Hicks
Maye

C
Meeks
Bradley


Thoughts?

Is Stillman still on the roster? If so I would replace Surratt with White but I doubt Surratt or Rush (or White) get any meaningful minutes this year.

CC
 
I agree that Pinson's best position is the 3. However, he can play the 2 and the only scenario where he gets zero minutes at the 2 is Jackson not being on the team next year. Pinson is not Strickland or Tokoto, he did make 18 threes/shooting 29% last year. Tokoto only made 21 threes for his entire career/27%, Strickland 20 made three's for his entire career/22%.

Strick and JP were most often cringe worthy shooters. Wisconsin got Koenig and we got JP... good call Bo. :oops: :p
 
I would have Kenny at SG ahead of Woods and IMO, Theo the "human catapult" won't be at the 2...he is more a 3 or 4 as mentioned above. Surratt is an explosive athlete so it will be interesting to see what skills he brings in to compliment the team. We really need another big or two and/or a PF but then JJ, if available, could slide from 3 to 4 and back again. I think we need another couple of kids at a strong level to complete the package.

Only thing I would argue Tom (I totally agree with the rest) is that we are not in as desperate shape as I really thought when it comes to front court guys. Now I am not saying I don't want us to add a front court guy that will help us but I have thought about this question a lot.

We don't really need just a warm body that stands 6'9" or more, if we get one he really needs to be a guy that brings something strong to the table. Look, we will have 3 starter level front court guys next season in Meeks, Hicks, and Tony Bradley as well as a fill in every now & then guy in Luke. This past season, we pretty much used effectively 3 traditional front court guys in Brice, Meeks, and Hicks. Joel James got spot duty but he didn't get big time minutes, he helped us here and there but the vast majority of the minutes went to Brice/meeks/Hicks. IMO, Joel James would not maybe have got the minutes he did had Hicks not had the foul issues, IMO Joel's minutes may have been more on the lines of what Luke got.

So we effectively used 3 traditional front court guys for the lion share and late season Roy went more & more to Theo as the 4 in a small ball look. Most especially when Meeks was struggling so hard, for good stretch to end the season and thru the ACCT you could say our 3rd most effective front court guy was actually Theo.

Replacing brice will not be easy but let me share some IFs that I think are safe bets.

1) If Hicks learns to stay out of as much foul trouble and especially 1st half fouls. I do think, much like Brice changed his foul issues from Jr to Sr season, I expect Hicks will as well understanding how important his staying on the court will be.

2) If Tony can come in and produce, especially mid range jumpers in the middle of zones and jump hooks in side back to the basket. As well as rebound and lock some shots.

3) If the mystery of Meeks can evolve in to a season long player that is able to play aggressively and not go in to a December swoon that stays for the rest of the season.

4) If the 3 above can stay healthy

5) If Justin comes back or if he doesn't BRob can play the wing to the extent we can drop Theo down to the 4 at times for small ball and get the level of play we got with Theo & Justin doing that this season.

6) If Joel Berry can stay healthy.

The above are 6 ifs that I feel like are pretty good bets, what I actually expect at this point, I think we can be REALLY good next season, maybe even final 4 good, a team very similar to this season's team.
 
1) If Hicks learns to stay out of as much foul trouble and especially 1st half fouls. I do think, much like Brice changed his foul issues from Jr to Sr season, I expect Hicks will as well understanding how important his staying on the court will be.

Yeah - not so much.
Brice's fouls per 40 - 5.9, 5.7, 4.8, 3.8 Improvement each year with big jumps over the last two.
Hicks fouls per 40 - 5.6, 6.7, 6.7 - Ugh.

2) If Tony can come in and produce, especially mid range jumpers in the middle of zones and jump hooks in side back to the basket. As well as rebound and lock some shots.

I don't know how much you can reasonably expect from a non top-10 Fr. big. If we get 6/6 from Tony we should be happy.

3) If the mystery of Meeks can evolve in to a season long player that is able to play aggressively and not go in to a December swoon that stays for the rest of the season.

Meeks has been Meeks for 3 straight years. You expect something different?

4) If the 3 above can stay healthy

Should be #1 on this list as this team will need everyone.

5) If Justin comes back or if he doesn't BRob can play the wing to the extent we can drop Theo down to the 4 at times for small ball and get the level of play we got with Theo & Justin doing that this season.

No way. If JJ leaves the team loses an important piece. BRob+Theo <<<<<<< JJ+Theo

6) If Joel Berry can stay healthy.

No Berry == NIT or worse.

The above are 6 ifs that I feel like are pretty good bets, what I actually expect at this point, I think we can be REALLY good next season, maybe even final 4 good, a team very similar to this season's team.

As you can probably tell I'm not feeling it. I think if things go well this team can be a 5 or 6 seed and maybe makes it to the second weekend. If things don't go well then this team may be close to the bubble next March.

CC
 
Yeah - not so much.
Brice's fouls per 40 - 5.9, 5.7, 4.8, 3.8 Improvement each year with big jumps over the last two.
Hicks fouls per 40 - 5.6, 6.7, 6.7 - Ugh.



I don't know how much you can reasonably expect from a non top-10 Fr. big. If we get 6/6 from Tony we should be happy.



Meeks has been Meeks for 3 straight years. You expect something different?



Should be #1 on this list as this team will need everyone.



No way. If JJ leaves the team loses an important piece. BRob+Theo <<<<<<< JJ+Theo



No Berry == NIT or worse.



As you can probably tell I'm not feeling it. I think if things go well this team can be a 5 or 6 seed and maybe makes it to the second weekend. If things don't go well then this team may be close to the bubble next March.

CC
 
Yeah, well I'm not a rainbows and unicorns type of guy. I super crazy insanely hope that Hicks learns to play without fouling and that Meeks realizes that this is his contract year and goes off but I gots to call it like I see it.

CC

You've already seen how much improvement or lack thereof they will have? AMAZING!!! :p
 
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You've already seen how much improvement or lack thereof they will have? AMAZING!!! :p

I think Isaiah will realize that his very dreams of a pro career may hinge on him playing big minutes and putting up big numbers. He can't do that from the bench. The light will come on for him and it will be bright. He has already shown that he can be very productive when he plays 25 MPG, now he needs to show he can stay out of foul trouble. I think he will.

Kennedy, I'm a bit more worried about because I'm not sure if his inconsistency was injury related, related to his confidence, or a combination thereof. I think we'll find out pretty quickly because I think Tony will be effective pretty quickly, I just think his throwback game translates well to Roy's system.
 
Dave, I hear what you're saying about 3 bigs and Theo, but offer these reasons why another big was needed:
1) too many ifs. One or two front court injuries would decimate the post play. It's always good to have back-up.
2) future depth. Isaiah and Kennedy are gone after the next season. That'll leave Maye and Bradley as the only hold overs up front. Having a rising soph, who won't threaten future recruits for starting spots is still very important.
3) insurance. What if Bradley blows up? Or worse, gets injured? I'd like to know there's more in the cupboard.

Of course, all the above is moot since it seems Roy has seemingly finished with recruiting for 16-17.
 
Yeah - not so much.
Brice's fouls per 40 - 5.9, 5.7, 4.8, 3.8 Improvement each year with big jumps over the last two.
Hicks fouls per 40 - 5.6, 6.7, 6.7 - Ugh.



I don't know how much you can reasonably expect from a non top-10 Fr. big. If we get 6/6 from Tony we should be happy.



Meeks has been Meeks for 3 straight years. You expect something different?



Should be #1 on this list as this team will need everyone.



No way. If JJ leaves the team loses an important piece. BRob+Theo <<<<<<< JJ+Theo



No Berry == NIT or worse.



As you can probably tell I'm not feeling it. I think if things go well this team can be a 5 or 6 seed and maybe makes it to the second weekend. If things don't go well then this team may be close to the bubble next March.

CC

"
Brice's fouls per 40 - 5.9, 5.7, 4.8, 3.8 Improvement each year with big jumps over the last two.
Hicks fouls per 40 - 5.6, 6.7, 6.7 - Ugh."

YEah but here is the thing, Brice started as a Jr, Hicks did not and a starter vs a reserve guy come in with 2 VERY different mindsets. The starter knows he has to limit his fouls else he is going to lose a lot of PT and maybe even lose his spot. The guy off the bench on the other hand comes in and wants to do something now, wants to make something happen now and often that egarness to effect the game results in silly fouls, kinda like the kid that makes a bad play and trying to make up quick for it is bound to pick up a quick foul.

"I don't know how much you can reasonably expect from a non top-10 Fr. big. If we get 6/6 from Tony we should be happy."

What would make me and all of us very happy is if Tony could come in and be a guy that could hit his free throws and be a guy that can step in to the middle of a zone and hit those 10-12ft jumpers that Brice feasted on this season. Tony does have really good length, longer than Brice I believe and comes to us with a much better rep as a shooter than Brice came to us with. When you have a 6'10" center that places 3rd in the Micky D 3pt shooting contest it should give you reason to expect maybe he can hot free throws and mid range jumpers?

"Meeks has been Meeks for 3 straight years. You expect something different?"

Actually, meeks IMO has had 3 very different seasons for us, in some ways his freshman season when he was way over weight may have been his best over the course of an entire season. But Meeks has shown us flashes of brilliant play but it has been inter mixed with long strtetches of mystery. Some sickness seems to really cut short his soph season and last year lingering injury seemed again an issue. But the mystrey of meeks next season is not going to be any worse IMO that it was this season and the expectation has to be that in his last season his play will be much iimproved.

I think many forget the way brice was seen heading in to his jr season and then heading in to his Sr season, we know what we just saw but not nearly as much was expected out of Brice as what he produced as a senior.

"No way. If JJ leaves the team loses an important piece. BRob+Theo <<<<<<< JJ+Theo"

I think if you ask foilks and they were being truthful, going in to this past season if we would have been a stronger team with JP or without him MOST would have said we would be better with him, I did not think that way but many and maybe most did AT THAT TIME. Now I think nearly everyone would agree, we were better without JP because it allowed Berry to start at the point, it allowed Theo MUCH needed PT and Jackso to continue to start and develop even early season when he was slumping. The present has a funny way of changing the past mindset in folks.

I would prefer Jackson to come back, let me not confuse onthat point, I did NOT prefer Jp to come back. BUT if Jackson leaves I can see a huge upside in Theo starting and working this whole off season with the mindset I will be a starter next season so I have to get a solid jump shot dropping. And I can also see HUGE value in BRob, who I think many Tar Heel fans are under estimating, in getting solid PT to get his game cranked up. I think his PT takes a hard hot if Justin comes back. Po8int being don't want Justin to leave but if he does I amnot in panic mode because IMO we do have 2 very talented guys to step in to that void.

"No Berry == NIT or worse."

Ok so m,aybe no better than NIT may be a little to much but yeah, Joel berry IMO is the most important player we will have next season and I would suggest Hicks & Tony as 2nd & 3rd. We can not afford to lose any of those 3 for and extended amount of games. I think Nate, 7th, and Stillman would be able to patch us together enought to keep us better than NIT but we would be very lucky to get to the sweet 16 with out Joel berry. But know what, that may have been just as true for this past season...
 
Dave, I hear what you're saying about 3 bigs and Theo, but offer these reasons why another big was needed:
1) too many ifs. One or two front court injuries would decimate the post play. It's always good to have back-up.
2) future depth. Isaiah and Kennedy are gone after the next season. That'll leave Maye and Bradley as the only hold overs up front. Having a rising soph, who won't threaten future recruits for starting spots is still very important.
3) insurance. What if Bradley blows up? Or worse, gets injured? I'd like to know there's more in the cupboard.

Of course, all the above is moot since it seems Roy has seemingly finished with recruiting for 16-17.

Oh yeah, I totally agree, if injury hits our front court it would really hurt us, we are absolutely thin there. My point is it isn't really all that much different than it was this past season? I mean we had the mystery of meeks, what I personally consider to have been Meeks worst season of his 3 with us. later part of the season his minutes dropped like a rock, so to anticapate him improving over last season IMO should be the expectation.

Joel James got spot duty but lets face it, it was a couple games that his 4-6pts looked much better because we expected little to nothing out of the kid. What did he average for the season, less than 5mins a game? Granted had brice or Hicks got hurt this past season Joel's PT would have been extremely valuable but my point is that really does not change next season, we could not afford a long term front court injury this past season and wil not be able to next season.

Very good point that Hicks and meeks will be seniors and that we would all love more bigs to be able to groom for solid PT to be ready when they are gone. But a senior transfer would not help that any at all, there really are no high school seniors that we are involved with to the extent we have a shot outside of the very very long shot of Allen and I would hesitate to even consider him a shot at all. So we are left with really no option but to rely on freshmen from the 2017 class to produce for us as college freshmen after Hicks and meeks have gone. Other than a euro bug man out of the blue, we really don't have other options but neither do duke or Ky.

And yeah, Bradley could blow up and if he does, great news for next season, could suck for the following season but that is the same thing both duke and Ky have had for the last several seasons and they find the additional available PT for extremely talented big men is very attractive, we have not been able to show them that for a pretty long while.
 
No but I've seen what they HAVE done in the past 3. Maybe it's me but expecting a kid to do something he hasn't done in 3 years is a fools errand.

CC

Just so I understand, after watching Brice Johnson for 3yrs you knew he was going to be a 1st team NCAA AA after 3 years of not even getting a 3rd team mention? Hmmm?

Lets take the converse, after 3 seasons at UNC you expected Marcus Paige to not even get a ACC 3rd team nod?
 
Just so I understand, after watching Brice Johnson for 3yrs you knew he was going to be a 1st team NCAA AA after 3 years of not even getting a 3rd team mention? Hmmm?

Lets take the converse, after 3 seasons at UNC you expected Marcus Paige to not even get a ACC 3rd team nod?

Spot-on Dave.
 
Just so I understand, after watching Brice Johnson for 3yrs you knew he was going to be a 1st team NCAA AA after 3 years of not even getting a 3rd team mention? Hmmm?

Lets take the converse, after 3 seasons at UNC you expected Marcus Paige to not even get a ACC 3rd team nod?

Brice was a bit odd. Nice jump between Fr-So years then kinda leveled out his Jr. year. I didn't KNOW he was going to be AA good but I expected him to be at least all-acc good, which he was already.

Marcus pretty much peaked as a So. With the injuries I honestly didn't know what to expect from him as a Sr. I knew he could be (damn) good but I also didn't know how healthy he was going to be.

CC
 
Brice was a bit odd. Nice jump between Fr-So years then kinda leveled out his Jr. year. I didn't KNOW he was going to be AA good but I expected him to be at least all-acc good, which he was already.

Marcus pretty much peaked as a So. With the injuries I honestly didn't know what to expect from him as a Sr. I knew he could be (damn) good but I also didn't know how healthy he was going to be.

CC

Hicks was a bit odd then as well because he had a huge jump between freshman season and soph season, a slightly better Jr season but derailed because he could not stay on the court and that was the problem with Brice as a Jr, could not stay out of foul trouble, pretty much exactly what happened with Hicks this past season.

Now Chuck, man, I suspect your thoughts about Marcus peaking as a soph and understanding he was limited by injury as a Jr, I strongly suspect your feeling about Marcus was expecting him to have a solid sr season scoring wise if he could stay away from injury. I don't mean to put words in your mouth but I would have been SHOCKED to see a single Tar Heel fan that was not expecting at very least a 2nd or 3rd team All ACC selection for Marcus after his senior season. I have trouble believing you or anyone else felt Marcus had peaked as a soph, maybe of the thousands or millions of Tar Heel fans out there you were that one guy that felt after his soph season it was all down hill from there but I think you can understand why I would hesitate to really embrace that statement.
 
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Hicks was a bit odd then as well because he had a huge jump between freshman season and soph season, a slightly better Jr season but derailed because he could not stay on the court and that was the problem with Brice as a Jr, could not stay out of foul trouble, pretty much exactly what happened with Hicks this past season.

I disagree a little here. I think Hicks has made huge improvements both years EXCEPT for his fouling. This is why I'm not so bullish on Hicks. Brice got better at not fouling every, single, year. Hicks got worse as a so. and did not improve this year. That's why I think it's a huge IF when trying to predict how he'll do next year. I would not be surprised if Hicks shoots 65% from the field and 80% from the line next cause he's made those types of jumps, but I will be surprised if he gets more than 22-24 min a game because he just keeps fouling.

Now Chuck, man, I suspect your thoughts about Marcus peaking as a soph and understanding he was limited by injury as a Jr, I strongly suspect your feeling about Marcus was expecting him to have a solid sr season scoring wise if he could stay away from injury. I don't mean to put words in your mouth but I would have been SHOCKED to see a single Tar Heel fan that was not expecting at very least a 2nd or 3rd team All ACC selection for Marcus after his senior season. I have trouble believing you or anyone else felt Marcus had peaked as a soph, maybe of the thousands or millions of Tar Heel fans out there you were that one guy that felt after his soph season it was all down hill from there but I think you can understand why I would hesitate to really embrace that statement.

Maybe peaked was the wrong word. It was certainly his most productive season statistically. I did have high hopes for Marcus this past year. It sounded like his wheels were healthy and I did except something closer to his so. season than his jr. season. The fact that he regressed was a big surprise. In terms of honors I never really thought of it that way but to the general question, yes I expected better of Marcus this past season.

But what does this even have to do with my original points. I agree that surprises will happen. In fact I hope they do (as least the good ones). But a lot of times they don't. We can only guess at the future based on the past. I hope Hicks improves on the fouling but even if he improves to Brice as a jr. level that's still not great. I hope Meeks makes a jump but he hasn't yet and this is his last chance.

CC
 
I disagree a little here. I think Hicks has made huge improvements both years EXCEPT for his fouling. This is why I'm not so bullish on Hicks. Brice got better at not fouling every, single, year. Hicks got worse as a so. and did not improve this year. That's why I think it's a huge IF when trying to predict how he'll do next year. I would not be surprised if Hicks shoots 65% from the field and 80% from the line next cause he's made those types of jumps, but I will be surprised if he gets more than 22-24 min a game because he just keeps fouling.



Maybe peaked was the wrong word. It was certainly his most productive season statistically. I did have high hopes for Marcus this past year. It sounded like his wheels were healthy and I did except something closer to his so. season than his jr. season. The fact that he regressed was a big surprise. In terms of honors I never really thought of it that way but to the general question, yes I expected better of Marcus this past season.

But what does this even have to do with my original points. I agree that surprises will happen. In fact I hope they do (as least the good ones). But a lot of times they don't. We can only guess at the future based on the past. I hope Hicks improves on the fouling but even if he improves to Brice as a jr. level that's still not great. I hope Meeks makes a jump but he hasn't yet and this is his last chance.

CC

My point is just because it ain't happened yet does not mean it will not happen. Having said that, no, I am not expecting a 1st team ALL ACC season from Meeks, I am HOPING for better than this season but my expectations are not high, I am not slamming the door, but maybe the door is shut but not yet locked.

I do expect a VERY strong season from Hicks because I do think he will be more aware of fouls, don't forget, Hicks has not been a starter, he has had Brice as his security blanket, basically they had 10 fouls to give so why worry about that second one on the first half on Issiah. But that is no longer the case, Issiah will now have to take on a leadership role and that means he has to be very careful to not hurt his team by picking up quick fouls, especially not picking up that 2nd first half foul that he has to sit with.

Honestly, I am hoping for the best from Meeks but I do think the combined production of Hicks and Tony will come close to if not totally make up for what we lose in Brice and Joel James.
 
Honestly, I am hoping for the best from Meeks but I do think the combined production of Hicks and Tony will come close to if not totally make up for what we lose in Brice and Joel James.

I don't disagree but my worry is who makes up for Hicks?

CC
 
I don't disagree but my worry is who makes up for Hicks?

CC

I would expect more consistent scoring from the 1/2/3 positions than last year to help with the offset - don't know the statistics but it felt very sawtooth from a trend perspective and longer dips than spikes - balanced scoring will be the key to success for next year
 
I would expect more consistent scoring from the 1/2/3 positions than last year to help with the offset - don't know the statistics but it felt very sawtooth from a trend perspective and longer dips than spikes - balanced scoring will be the key to success for next year

Hopefully. Berry is a stud and I don't think it would be crazy to think Theo can get his line around .44/.31/.70 this year which while not great would be a nice improvement. If JJ comes back it will be a big boost to the team. That way if Woods or Robinson make an impact this team will be in pretty good shape.

CC
 
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