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2017 Commits, So Far

What Would Jesus Do? said:
I'm a veteran gloom and doomer but I think you may be worrying too much. We'll have a good recruiting class. Probably not as loaded as we'd like, but loaded enough.

That said, it's important to keep glooming and dooming to keep away the evil spirits. ;)

My main worry is that Roy may feel he can go back to the pre-NCAA recruiting routine - meaning few, careful offers - when, as Dave and Arch have pointed out, that correction may take a while to fully settle in.
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While I agree, it is to early to look for a bridge to jump from, the concern I have is there are some talented bigs in this class, once you get out of the likes of Carter, Bamba, Knox, PJ, Ayton, Porter jr, Robinson and I would add McCoy & maybe Vanderbilt, after that it kinda drops off hard. We have maybes on 3 of those guys but at best we are maybe equal on one of them and trail the rest. I do think we need to cast a wider net for big men at this point else they commit elsewhere.

I am kinda scratchin my head on why we have not had an offer out to McCoy, the Watson kid, we need to offer him, he may not be a day 1 producer but he is depth that we don't have after next season. IMO neither of those guys would effect the bigger names decisions, actually McCoy would maybe help us because that kid is a center, he ain't a power forward, he ain't a wing, he is a center rim protecting 7ft kid with big time length (reach).
 
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Ozheelfan said:
I'm sure Roy feels much better now you've given him a pass.
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Well first of all, I didn't give Roy a pass. I was saying that it appeared that others on this board were going to give him a pass in 17, and somewhat of a pass in 18 based on the comments in the poast I quoted. Personally, I think he can be given a pass for the past couple classes, but that pass has now expired since the NCAA mess is behind us. Yes, he may have gotten a late start with some of the 17 crowd, but if he's a great recruiter, he can make that ground up.

And second, I don't delude myself into thinking that Roy, any of the other coaches, any of the players, or any of the recruits could give two craps about anything I, or anyone else, has to say on this board.
 
tarheel0910 said:
What's a poor class though? Roy has never brought in a bunch of 5 star, top 10 players in one class. I'm not expecting him to start recruiting like UK, because he never really did. I think it was @gunslingerdick who did a breakdown of recruit rankings for Roy, which I thought was pretty telling. This thing is all subjective and the only reason some people are freaking out about it is because these recruits have gone to duke.
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Examples of a poor class are every class we've had since the Barnes class, with the exception of the Berry/Pinson/Jackson class. If he perpetually brings in classes like that '14 class, or better, than that'd be great. If he brings in classes like every other class since '10 - I think it should be deemed a subpar recruiting job on his part.
 
Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
Examples of a poor class are every class we've had since the Barnes class, with the exception of the Berry/Pinson/Jackson class. If he perpetually brings in classes like that '14 class, or better, than that'd be great. If he brings in classes like every other class since '10 - I think it should be deemed a subpar recruiting job on his part.
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Outside of last years class and I think we got a kid that will be a really good player for us in that class and maybe both will be. But I think going in Roy's classes have been ranked pretty strong, now maybe things have not played out to expectations in some case and in others above expects. The Marcus/Brice/Joel James class was not seen as being all that strong but it played out really strong. Meeks/Britt/Hicks is a hard call but looked really good when it came together. Henson/2 Wears/Dex looked like a great class up front, just kinda fell apart, kinda like JMM/PJ looked good but never really worked.

To me the hard thing is looking at what looked like a great class up front but to see it never really live up to expectation, doesn't mean it was poorly rated class when it was signed. Now I do think Roy has had some clear misses on individual players that never really developed in to the level of player they were expected to be.
 
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DevilBlue said:
While I get ranking are based on many things...how they did in high school, how people feel they will do in college, pro potential...I want with
http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/recruit_rankings_2002.html
since Rivals only goes back to 2003. While I understand that due to the different ways ESPN may have done their rankings May might not have been top 10 to them they ONLY thing I could see that would put him at 51 was injury concerns...
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Thanks for that link.
 
DSouthr said:
Outside of last years class and I think we got a kid that will be a really good player for us in that class and maybe both will be. But I think going in Roy's classes have been ranked pretty strong, now maybe things have not played out to expectations in some case and in others above expects. The Marcus/Brice/Joel James class was not seen as being all that strong but it played out really strong. Meeks/Britt/Hicks is a hard call but looked really good when it came together. Henson/2 Wears/Dex looked like a great class up front, just kinda fell apart, kinda like JMM/PJ looked good but never really worked.

To me the hard thing is looking at what looked like a great class up front but to see it never really live up to expectation, doesn't mean it was poorly rated class when it was signed. Now I do think Roy has had some clear misses on individual players that never really developed in to the level of player they were expected to be.
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2012 was the first Roy class at UNC without a 5-star player.

That class was the foundation of our run last year.

Until then, the snarky rap against Roy was that he could only do well if his teams were loaded with top talent. And, sure, Roy added some 5-star talent in 2013 and 2014 (but not in 2015 and, depending on whose ratings you believe, not in 2016, either). But, while talented, you wouldn't look at last years team and say they were "loaded" with top talent.

Now it's probably true that everyone does better with top talent. But I think Roy has laid that rap to rest.

That said, I don't want him to settle for recruiting classes with no 5-star players too often.
 
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Ozheelfan said:
Yeah, 07-08 was a stacked team: Psycho T, Danny, Ginyard, Frasor (all Jnrs) and Lawson, Ellington, Thompson and Stephenson as Sophs.
That team fell short in the FF but was the foundation for the '09 Natty
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07-08 got to the Final Four, it was the previous years team that didn't make it.
 
truetarheelraider0806 said:
Yup I remember that final four MY ran us out of the building in the first half and we couldn't quite get the lead in the 2nd half
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I think that game was when the critique of Roy not calling time outs started (or gained a lot of traction). Kansas did to us, in the first half, what we had just done to Louisville in the previous game. And, like Louisville did, we mounted a valiant comeback in the 2nd half - but used too much energy to dig out of that big hole to keep it going.
 
What Would Jesus Do? said:
I think that game was when the critique of Roy not calling time outs started (or gained a lot of traction). Kansas did to us, in the first half, what we had just done to Louisville in the previous game. And, like Louisville did, we mounted a valiant comeback in the 2nd half - but used too much energy to dig out of that big hole to keep it going.
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Danny had an open look from the corner that would have cut the lead from 4 to 1 late in the second half. When he missed that, I knew the rally was over.
 
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Matt Coleman has announced a top 10 (another ridiculous top 10 list) and we are not in it , so that should end the speculation on is Roy recruiting him.
 
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I'm keeping the faith with Coach. Let's face it, we don't, and the recruiting blog gurus don't, have the inside info that Roy and the staff are privy to. Also nobody knows our future needs (bigs in 2017 class) better than Roy.
So.....why cast such a small net for 2017 bigs? I have to think Roy knows something the rest of us don't. It's not his first rodeo and he, of all people, is acutely aware of the consequences of fanning on big men this cycle.
What if.....one or more of the top 10 bigs we have offered (Mo, Carter, PJ, might include Knox since he's 6'9") tells Roy that "I'd like to be a Tar Heel but I still don't trust the NCAA not to try and screw you guys". Yeah I know, some of you think the scandal is behind us but for OADs it would still be taking a chance until the final decision is rendered. So maybe they have agreed to wait until Jan. to see what happens and Roy is confident enough in what he's been telling recruits and what they have been telling him, not to muddy the water by putting out a bunch of other offers. Maybe he'll take one lesser ranked big that can develop over time but will remain "all in" with the OAD types he has offered already.
No silent verbals but kids who Roy has developed a relationship with keeping a confidence.
I have no knowledge other than what I read but I know our HOF coach and I recognize the consequences of waiting instead of putting out new offers so I'm sure Roy knows as well.
Anyway its really really early. Its not like all these big men are even scheduling OVs must less giving verbals to other schools.
I'm gonna chill and keep the faith.
 
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Green C14 said:
I'm keeping the faith with Coach. Let's face it, we don't, and the recruiting blog gurus don't, have the inside info that Roy and the staff are privy to. Also nobody knows our future needs (bigs in 2017 class) better than Roy.
So.....why cast such a small net for 2017 bigs? I have to think Roy knows something the rest of us don't. It's not his first rodeo and he, of all people, is acutely aware of the consequences of fanning on big men this cycle.
What if.....one or more of the top 10 bigs we have offered (Mo, Carter, PJ, might include Knox since he's 6'9") tells Roy that "I'd like to be a Tar Heel but I still don't trust the NCAA not to try and screw you guys". Yeah I know, some of you think the scandal is behind us but for OADs it would still be taking a chance until the final decision is rendered. So maybe they have agreed to wait until Jan. to see what happens and Roy is confident enough in what he's been telling recruits and what they have been telling him, not to muddy the water by putting out a bunch of other offers. Maybe he'll take one lesser ranked big that can develop over time but will remain "all in" with the OAD types he has offered already.
No silent verbals but kids who Roy has developed a relationship with keeping a confidence.
I have no knowledge other than what I read but I know our HOF coach and I recognize the consequences of waiting instead of putting out new offers so I'm sure Roy knows as well.
Anyway its really really early. Its not like all these big men are even scheduling OVs must less giving verbals to other schools.
I'm gonna chill and keep the faith.
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I think these kids are waiting late to commit , but I don't think it has anything to do with our situation. It's all about playing time and who leaves.
 
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carolinablue34 said:
I figured once Coby White committed that was the end of getting another PG or combo guard.
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Coby white is a better player then him. Not to mention with Coleman you have a Soph. Woods, Fr. Felton. Maybe a Sr. Berry. Black and White coming in the season after.
 
HeelFan58 said:
I think these kids are waiting late to commit , but I don't think it has anything to do with our situation. It's all about playing time and who leaves.
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I would agree 58 as that seems to be the trend and some of these guys want exposure a heck of a lot more than championships but I don't see where there is any question about PT next year for bigs at UNC. Regardless of what Tony and Luke might do there is plenty time and exposure available. Now they may be waiting to see what's available at other schools on their list but if that's true then we aren't their first choice are we? This is where my theory comes in (see prev. poast). Roy has been recruiting all these bigs long enough to have developed a relationship and he would know at least which way they are leaning. I think if a couple top 10 2017 bigs weren't leaning our way Roy would be beating the second tier bush by now and he isn't. Thus I believe they still may be waiting to see what happens with the NCAA and Roy is confident enough to wait on them.
Just my opinion and probably wrong but its fun to hear everyone's thoughts.
 
Green C14 said:
I would agree 58 as that seems to be the trend and some of these guys want exposure a heck of a lot more than championships but I don't see where there is any question about PT next year for bigs at UNC. Regardless of what Tony and Luke might do there is plenty time and exposure available. Now they may be waiting to see what's available at other schools on their list but if that's true then we aren't their first choice are we? This is where my theory comes in (see prev. poast). Roy has been recruiting all these bigs long enough to have developed a relationship and he would know at least which way they are leaning. I think if a couple top 10 2017 bigs weren't leaning our way Roy would be beating the second tier bush by now and he isn't. Thus I believe they still may be waiting to see what happens with the NCAA and Roy is confident enough to wait on them.
Just my opinion and probably wrong but its fun to hear everyone's thoughts.
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I personally think they are waiting to see the roster situations at dook , UK and KU and using UNC as a Plan B.
 
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Gary Trent Jr. and Wendell Carter Jr. -- both of whom are on the Nike trip to the Bahamas this week -- have openly talked about a package deal together, with many people suspecting they will end up at Duke, a la Tyus Jones and Jahlil Okafor.

Fellow Class of 2017 stars Mohamed Bamba and Quade Green of the PSA Cardinals -- who are also on the Nike trip -- have also been linked to Duke.

But Knox isn't certain he will join the party.

"They all want to play with me," he said. "We all want to play together in college. They [Carter and Trent] probably leaning somewhere but as for me I'm not really leaning towards anywhere. But it would be fun playing with them in college."

Asked if he thinks Trent and Carter will end up together, Knox said: "Yeah, they're a serious package deal. They tell me all the time they're playing together. They're roommates pretty much at every camp, so I'm pretty sure them two will play together in college."

Is a three-man package realistic?

"No, not really," he said "Usually it's two-man. I haven't really seen a three-man or four-man package deal before."

Meantime, Florida State figures to remain heavily in the mix. Kevin Knox Sr. was a wide receiver on Florida State's 1994 national championship team and a sixth-round NFL draft pick. His mother also played volleyball for the Seminoles.

"FSU was in my Top 10," Knox said. "Jonathan Isaac said he really likes it. He picked up a lot of weight. He's at about 215 now. They really want me to follow in the legacy of my parents and go start something of my own."
 
Winslow wasn't a 3 man deal with Okafor and Jones. But he was still heavily leaning to Dook.

If Knox isn't going to Dook, I think it's FSU IMO.

EDIT: Kevin Knox now at 100% to Dook on 24/7
 
It's gonna be okay guys. Step back and let the chips fall where they may.
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