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Some of you may remember I posted some summer intel a couple of months back, and I've been meaning to update it for practice, but since I only recently got the last chunk, I decided to wait til after Late Night to see if if jibed (it definitely did). As always, apologies for the random flow. And warning, there may be parts some won't like --- I won't apologize for that ;). Anyways...

- A common theme that has continued from summer is about Brooks. Every recent report I've gotten has had something good to say, especially about his offensive progress --- more confident shot, extending range, better positioning, etc. You may recall one of the summer alumni chatter items was "Brooks can play --- he just needs to find a position". That continues to hold true, and therein lies the rub: Garrison is a 4 (and is evolving a Stretch game as well), but with Luke still here he will find himself playing a lot of 5. Oh, he'll give it his all and will definitely be improved, BUT the reality is Brooks just doesn't have the frame to make a living down low vs D1 size night in and night out. In other words, he's not a "big" guy. even at 6'8+, nor does he have, say, Brice's wiry explosiveness to be a rim-protector.
That being said, Garrison came in light-years ahead in defensive findamentals of our other recent Bigs, which is what had him starting for a good part of last season... but he was often fighting a losing battle vs teams with size. If we're gonna be successful going Traditional (as Roy prefers), the thought is Manley needs to be the first option as a 5-horse. Garrison will give us quality minutes in whatever he's asked to do this season, and if he takes over as our starting 4 next season that will not be a bad thing.

- speaking of Manley, mixed but mostly positive intel on him. As many have already heard he did indeed pass his running tests, and his agility/footwork has shown marked improvement as he continues to fight back from the catastrophic HS injuries. That being said, there are still times when his lower body ain't quite ready to do what his head tells him to. As reported in the summer, the pros/alums were flat up his a$$ about being aggressive in his low-post game, and while that continues to be somewhat of a work-in-progress, there has been improvement... and again, he is long --- legit 6'11 with arms forever. We'll see if he has improved in post-D positioning --- hopefully banging against guys like Sheed and Z helped. One thing he is confident about is the face-up shot from the post triangle, and has even been seen hitting Trailer pull-ups on the Secondary (!) --- how much latitude Roy allows him on that remains to be seen... and he does have a sweet FT stroke for a big fella.

- Been really wanting some Cam intel, but only finally got a bit just here recently (since he was inactive this summer). OK, so the big question obviously is how much better a post-surgery Cam can be for us? EVERYONE says he's moving better in general now that the hip is fixed, and where it has been noticed most is defensively. He tried hard last season but truth is he looked like he was on skates --- so his improved defensive footwork has been noticed. Check. That being said, the lingering issue is offensive consistency. Being brutally honest, Cam flat shot us outta some games last season. Ideally the heathy hip will lead to better footwork there as well... however from what I'm told he has still been streaky. Hopefully by season start the shot will get more consistent as he adjusts.

More recent chatter:
- "KW has been the best player on the team in practice". Me likey. And more than one alum has been on Kenny this summer to take a more assertive role, incl Reggie, and especially Justin. Buckets was in CH much of the summer taking classes trying to finish his degree (good for him), and has been in Kenny's ear a lot. Apparently it's showing in that he's also become the most vocal leader on the team. I have a feeling that KW's habit of disappearing for stretches is a thing of the past. Don't be surprised if we have another All-ACC performer on our hands.

- "Luke is Luke". We know what we're gonna get from our boy. Luke leads by example (so KW's new vocal assertiveness is very welcome), and as we know Luke is on all the pre-season lists. Being realistic though, don't expect him to soar to some new heights. We don't need him to --- Luke is Luke --- we need other guys to step up around him.

- Forgot to ask about BRob's injury (sorry). That being said, it shows how suddenly depth can become an issue. Andrew, who's really a Combo Guard, had to play the 3 at Late Night for example. Now yeah, in a game situation KW sometimes slides to the 3, but still...
and speaking of 3s, there are some folks (myself included) who are wondering why Leaky isn't getting more reps there. Jes sayin...

- Speaking of AP, nothing but positives, but one in particular stood out (and it totally jibes with what I saw on the extended Bahamas footage) --- "Platek plays the 1 from the 2", meaning he's often the one shepherding guys into position... or compensating for guys who aren't (which apparently has been happening a bit too often thus far). No surprise here --- he has the best sense of spacing and flow on the roster.

- Nas "gets out of control sometimes" but is fearless. As a result I'm told he has taken more than one hard fall in practices. So far, at least, nothing has been serious :oops:. He'll definitely bring a physicality from the 3/4 Hybrid we haven't seen in a while.

- Carrying over from the summer, Coby's attitude and willingness to learn continue to draw praise. Also his ability to be dynamic. That being said... the caveat I'm told (which BTW, is also a common theme in the stuff I've read) is that his best moments tend to come "off the ball", when his driving ability and shooting can come in rhythm. These skills just haven't shown out quite so readily when he's playing Point. What you saw at Late Night was case in point for the intel that he too often defaults to out-of-rhythm 3s or ill-advised drives. Honestly, that shouldn't be a surprise: PGs in our system hafta create their own rhythm, as well as that for others, and one of the biggest instinctual challenges is knowing "when" --- when to take, when to pull up, when to swing it, when to give it up to get it back, when to move the defense, etc etc etc.

- On the PG note, 7th is healthy, and has been less prone to the big mistakes than before. Unfortunately spacing continues to befuddle him and with instinct being the ongoing issue, he still has to think through his movements. And again no surprise, many of his best moments come off the ball. He's pretty danged good at catch-and-drive, and gotten adept at catch-and-shoot inside the arc. Bless his heart, 7th is working hard to accept the challenge, but in the end, well, the limitations are what they are.

- Again, some won't like this but I'm not gonna sugar-coat the PG issue, because trust me, the intel I've received certainly hasn't. On that note (and some of this goes back into the summer) there has been chatter about "work-arounds". The most obvious of course is more set plays (something we went to almost as a default for 7th previously), but the most intriguing are new/special options off the Secondary. One example that they were actually running some in pick-up involves 7th curling off a baseline screen from Luke for a mid-range jumper (which he has become increasingly reliable at). Others involve creating more immediate looks for our formidable cadre of perimeter bombers, simultaneously minimizing the decision-making pressure on the Point. I will be interested to see how that unfolds early on... it will likely be crucial.

That's all for now. Roy has talent out there but definitely a "different" coaching job ahead of him (as one pro put it) this season. Won't be long til we start to see how it plays out...:cool:
 
Thanks for the info. I couldn't help but think of Jalek when you were addressing the pg issues.

I think over the course of the season, the pg situation will work itself out. I still think Coby will be our best option, even if he's limited.
 
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Some of you may remember I posted some summer intel a couple of months back, and I've been meaning to update it for practice, but since I only recently got the last chunk, I decided to wait til after Late Night to see if if jibed (it definitely did). As always, apologies for the random flow. And warning, there may be parts some won't like --- I won't apologize for that ;). Anyways...

- A common theme that has continued from summer is about Brooks. Every recent report I've gotten has had something good to say, especially about his offensive progress --- more confident shot, extending range, better positioning, etc. You may recall one of the summer alumni chatter items was "Brooks can play --- he just needs to find a position". That continues to hold true, and therein lies the rub: Garrison is a 4 (and is evolving a Stretch game as well), but with Luke still here he will find himself playing a lot of 5. Oh, he'll give it his all and will definitely be improved, BUT the reality is Brooks just doesn't have the frame to make a living down low vs D1 size night in and night out. In other words, he's not a "big" guy. even at 6'8+, nor does he have, say, Brice's wiry explosiveness to be a rim-protector.
That being said, Garrison came in light-years ahead in defensive findamentals of our other recent Bigs, which is what had him starting for a good part of last season... but he was often fighting a losing battle vs teams with size. If we're gonna be successful going Traditional (as Roy prefers), the thought is Manley needs to be the first option as a 5-horse. Garrison will give us quality minutes in whatever he's asked to do this season, and if he takes over as our starting 4 next season that will not be a bad thing.

- speaking of Manley, mixed but mostly positive intel on him. As many have already heard he did indeed pass his running tests, and his agility/footwork has shown marked improvement as he continues to fight back from the catastrophic HS injuries. That being said, there are still times when his lower body ain't quite ready to do what his head tells him to. As reported in the summer, the pros/alums were flat up his a$$ about being aggressive in his low-post game, and while that continues to be somewhat of a work-in-progress, there has been improvement... and again, he is long --- legit 6'11 with arms forever. We'll see if he has improved in post-D positioning --- hopefully banging against guys like Sheed and Z helped. One thing he is confident about is the face-up shot from the post triangle, and has even been seen hitting Trailer pull-ups on the Secondary (!) --- how much latitude Roy allows him on that remains to be seen... and he does have a sweet FT stroke for a big fella.

- Been really wanting some Cam intel, but only finally got a bit just here recently (since he was inactive this summer). OK, so the big question obviously is how much better a post-surgery Cam can be for us? EVERYONE says he's moving better in general now that the hip is fixed, and where it has been noticed most is defensively. He tried hard last season but truth is he looked like he was on skates --- so his improved defensive footwork has been noticed. Check. That being said, the lingering issue is offensive consistency. Being brutally honest, Cam flat shot us outta some games last season. Ideally the heathy hip will lead to better footwork there as well... however from what I'm told he has still been streaky. Hopefully by season start the shot will get more consistent as he adjusts.

More recent chatter:
- "KW has been the best player on the team in practice". Me likey. And more than one alum has been on Kenny this summer to take a more assertive role, incl Reggie, and especially Justin. Buckets was in CH much of the summer taking classes trying to finish his degree (good for him), and has been in Kenny's ear a lot. Apparently it's showing in that he's also become the most vocal leader on the team. I have a feeling that KW's habit of disappearing for stretches is a thing of the past. Don't be surprised if we have another All-ACC performer on our hands.

- "Luke is Luke". We know what we're gonna get from our boy. Luke leads by example (so KW's new vocal assertiveness is very welcome), and as we know Luke is on all the pre-season lists. Being realistic though, don't expect him to soar to some new heights. We don't need him to --- Luke is Luke --- we need other guys to step up around him.

- Forgot to ask about BRob's injury (sorry). That being said, it shows how suddenly depth can become an issue. Andrew, who's really a Combo Guard, had to play the 3 at Late Night for example. Now yeah, in a game situation KW sometimes slides to the 3, but still...
and speaking of 3s, there are some folks (myself included) who are wondering why Leaky isn't getting more reps there. Jes sayin...

- Speaking of AP, nothing but positives, but one in particular stood out (and it totally jibes with what I saw on the extended Bahamas footage) --- "Platek plays the 1 from the 2", meaning he's often the one shepherding guys into position... or compensating for guys who aren't (which apparently has been happening a bit too often thus far). No surprise here --- he has the best sense of spacing and flow on the roster.

- Nas "gets out of control sometimes" but is fearless. As a result I'm told he has taken more than one hard fall in practices. So far, at least, nothing has been serious :oops:. He'll definitely bring a physicality from the 3/4 Hybrid we haven't seen in a while.

- Carrying over from the summer, Coby's attitude and willingness to learn continue to draw praise. Also his ability to be dynamic. That being said... the caveat I'm told (which BTW, is also a common theme in the stuff I've read) is that his best moments tend to come "off the ball", when his driving ability and shooting can come in rhythm. These skills just haven't shown out quite so readily when he's playing Point. What you saw at Late Night was case in point for the intel that he too often defaults to out-of-rhythm 3s or ill-advised drives. Honestly, that shouldn't be a surprise: PGs in our system hafta create their own rhythm, as well as that for others, and one of the biggest instinctual challenges is knowing "when" --- when to take, when to pull up, when to swing it, when to give it up to get it back, when to move the defense, etc etc etc.

- On the PG note, 7th is healthy, and has been less prone to the big mistakes than before. Unfortunately spacing continues to befuddle him and with instinct being the ongoing issue, he still has to think through his movements. And again no surprise, many of his best moments come off the ball. He's pretty danged good at catch-and-drive, and gotten adept at catch-and-shoot inside the arc. Bless his heart, 7th is working hard to accept the challenge, but in the end, well, the limitations are what they are.

- Again, some won't like this but I'm not gonna sugar-coat the PG issue, because trust me, the intel I've received certainly hasn't. On that note (and some of this goes back into the summer) there has been chatter about "work-arounds". The most obvious of course is more set plays (something we went to almost as a default for 7th previously), but the most intriguing are new/special options off the Secondary. One example that they were actually running some in pick-up involves 7th curling off a baseline screen from Luke for a mid-range jumper (which he has become increasingly reliable at). Others involve creating more immediate looks for our formidable cadre of perimeter bombers, simultaneously minimizing the decision-making pressure on the Point. I will be interested to see how that unfolds early on... it will likely be crucial.

That's all for now. Roy has talent out there but definitely a "different" coaching job ahead of him (as one pro put it) this season. Won't be long til we start to see how it plays out...:cool:
Thanks Gary. Any/all intel is appreciated..... if someone doesn’t like what they read, well cool... but don’t shoot the messenger.
 
Based on what I saw at LNWR, the pg situation is going to be the Achilles heel with this team early on and I’m hoping not all year but we will all be missing Joel Berry. It’s my opinion that we don’t have a true pg on this roster and Roy is going to have to find a way to make it work which may not always be pretty.
 
Interesting synopsis Gary.

Regarding Brooks: I had opportunities to watch some pick up this past summer, and spoke at length with several of my buddies who are still
returning for pick up, summer classes, returning back home, etc., Garrison is making above normal strides for a big that certainly has a few limitations.

His limitations are not physical ones, as he has the size and is improving his strength, and is developing an offensive arsenal. If he can improve his mental approach, ( meaning in his case, IQ & aggressiveness ) he will be a major contributor for the team. Hopefully, he will.

What all of us need to keep in mind, is that our bigs are just 1 year removed from High School, and while they may look college ready, they are not there....yet. As a matter of fact, the majority of post players coming into any program and making a big splash, is far and in between, when you look at all programs in the collegiate landscape.

That's due to not being college ready. By this, I mean that the IQ (knowledge & strength conditioning) and offensive and defensive aspects of their game are usually lacking, and have to be taught. Brooks may never be a consistent starter for the program, but is, and going forth, will be a viable and important player if he gets and stays mean.

Got to watch 2 pick up games that included most of the returning players and the newbies.

If B Rob can carry over his shooting in PU to actual games, he could be a real problem for opposing teams. Be interesting to watch and see. The kid plays pretty good defense.

Naz is what I refer to as a generational player. The kid is really a fine player. He will learn to slow down eventually. He has all the tools, he will need to play under control just a bit better. Saw some awesome displays of offense from the kid, and don't believe I would want to guard him, if I were the opposing defender. He can be a force defensively, he seems to like playing defense.

Platek is a player that reminds you a little of Steve Hale. The kid can shoot and will get after you on defense. His problem is quickness, however, I love this guys play. He only knows one way to play the game...all out.

Kenny is the cornerstone of the team, leads by example and saw him on several occasions pull the new guys aside and speak with them about defensive positioning , and offensive rotations. We know what we have with him.

I agree with you wholeheartedly about Luke. He is what he is, and will be what he will be.

Coby is some kind of a scorer. From just about everywhere. He's going to have the typical progression of a Freshman, so get ready for it. The good Coby will show much more than the bad Coby.

Seventh, I think, will show why he was recruited so hard by Coach Williams. He says he's healthy, and it looked like it when I saw him, just be patient regarding his play. After all, he has not had that much court time.

Walker Miller: Believe it or not, I think he will be a player down the road for us. He has some skills. Needs weight, and he needs to stay in the weight room as much as possible to improve strength.

Manley will be more productive this year. He has a year of experience, has put on some good muscle, and is developing an offensive arsenal.

Looks much the same as your post Gary. Enjoyed that.
 
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Interesting synopsis Gary.

Regarding Brooks: I had opportunities to watch some pick up this past summer, and spoke at length with several of my buddies who are still
returning for pick up, summer classes, returning back home, etc., Garrison is making above normal strides for a big that certainly has a few limitations.

His limitations are not physical ones, as he has the size and is improving his strength, and is developing an offensive arsenal. If he can improve his mental approach, ( meaning in his case, IQ & aggressiveness ) he will be a major contributor for the team. Hopefully, he will.

What all of us need to keep in mind, is that our bigs are just 1 year removed from High School, and while they may look college ready, they are not there....yet. As a matter of fact, the majority of post players coming into any program and making a big splash, is far and in between, when you look at all programs in the collegiate landscape.

That's due to not being college ready. By this, I mean that the IQ (knowledge & strength conditioning) and offensive and defensive aspects of their game are usually lacking, and have to be taught. Brooks may never be a consistent starter for the program, but is, and going forth, will be an viable and important player if he gets and stays mean.

Got to watch 2 pick up games that included most of the returning players and the newbies.

If B Rob can carry over his shooting in PU to actual games, he could be a real problem for opposing teams. Be interesting to watch and see. The kid plays pretty good defense.

Naz is what I refer to as a generational player. The kid is really a fine player. He will learn to slow down eventually. He has all the tools, he will need to play under control just a bit better. Saw some awesome displays of offense from the kid, and don't believe I would want to guard him, if I were the opposing defender. He can be a force defensively, he seems to like playing defense.

Platek is a player that reminds you a little of Steve Hale. The kid can shoot and will get after you on defense. His problem is quickness, however, I love this guys play. He only knows one way to play the game...all out.

Kenny is the cornerstone of the team, leads by example and saw him on several occasions pull the new guys aside and speak with them about defensive positioning , and offensive rotations. We know what we have with him.

I agree with you wholeheartedly about Luke. He is what he is, and will be what he will be.

Coby is some kind of a scorer. From just about everywhere. He's going to have the typical progression of a Freshman, so get ready for it. The good Coby will show much more than the bad Coby.

Seventh, I think, will show why he was recruited so hard by Coach Williams. He says he's healthy, and it looked like it when I saw him, just be patient regarding his play. After all, he has not had that much court time.

Walker Miller: Believe it or not, I think he will be a player down the road for us. He has some skills. Needs weight, and he needs to stay in the weight room as much as possible to improve strength.

Manley will be more productive this year. He has a year of experience, has put on some good muscle, and is developing an offensive arsenal.

Looks much the same as your post Gary. Enjoyed that.

OK, so for record, this is not some other screen name I started using, 75 is a old bud, but he is echoing many of the same themes I have been speaking to. How darn many times in reference to to Platek have I mentioned my boy from Jenks Oky? LOL

Concerning Brooks, I kinda explain things this way, when a freshman joins a very experienced team, that freshman can tend to take a bit of a back seat, may not be as assertive as they will become, I call that not being totally vested in being a full team member (not a negative, just how I explain it). Yeah, Brooks was not as assertive last season but I did see glimpses that tell me that he will become much more so, kind of that Hicks like path.

Roy does not "dumb down" his system just to accommodate freshmen, well not unless his options are dramatically reduced by injury or as was the case last season, loss of so many front court guys (or multiple players at a single position). So these guys come in used to being able to out talent or out size their opponents and learn fairly simple systems and all the sudden they are in a crash course having to learn by comparison something much more complicated. Until their learning become instinctive, which it in time does due to constant repetitions in practice, they find themselves thinking before they act and at this level you just do not have that kind of time, your actions have to become instinctive BTW, we call that hitting the wall). Thinking before they act looks like a kid that is not real assertive, hesitant (think Kenny Williams as a soph), forces things to much, rushes his stroke and feet, and awkward, confidence wanes. The game "slows down" for these kids when they instinctively play and not need that extra time to think and all the sudden the kid becomes much more confident and assertive.
 
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Some of you may remember I posted some summer intel a couple of months back, and I've been meaning to update it for practice, but since I only recently got the last chunk, I decided to wait til after Late Night to see if if jibed (it definitely did). As always, apologies for the random flow. And warning, there may be parts some won't like --- I won't apologize for that ;). Anyways...

- A common theme that has continued from summer is about Brooks. Every recent report I've gotten has had something good to say, especially about his offensive progress --- more confident shot, extending range, better positioning, etc. You may recall one of the summer alumni chatter items was "Brooks can play --- he just needs to find a position". That continues to hold true, and therein lies the rub: Garrison is a 4 (and is evolving a Stretch game as well), but with Luke still here he will find himself playing a lot of 5. Oh, he'll give it his all and will definitely be improved, BUT the reality is Brooks just doesn't have the frame to make a living down low vs D1 size night in and night out. In other words, he's not a "big" guy. even at 6'8+, nor does he have, say, Brice's wiry explosiveness to be a rim-protector.
That being said, Garrison came in light-years ahead in defensive findamentals of our other recent Bigs, which is what had him starting for a good part of last season... but he was often fighting a losing battle vs teams with size. If we're gonna be successful going Traditional (as Roy prefers), the thought is Manley needs to be the first option as a 5-horse. Garrison will give us quality minutes in whatever he's asked to do this season, and if he takes over as our starting 4 next season that will not be a bad thing.

- speaking of Manley, mixed but mostly positive intel on him. As many have already heard he did indeed pass his running tests, and his agility/footwork has shown marked improvement as he continues to fight back from the catastrophic HS injuries. That being said, there are still times when his lower body ain't quite ready to do what his head tells him to. As reported in the summer, the pros/alums were flat up his a$$ about being aggressive in his low-post game, and while that continues to be somewhat of a work-in-progress, there has been improvement... and again, he is long --- legit 6'11 with arms forever. We'll see if he has improved in post-D positioning --- hopefully banging against guys like Sheed and Z helped. One thing he is confident about is the face-up shot from the post triangle, and has even been seen hitting Trailer pull-ups on the Secondary (!) --- how much latitude Roy allows him on that remains to be seen... and he does have a sweet FT stroke for a big fella.

- Been really wanting some Cam intel, but only finally got a bit just here recently (since he was inactive this summer). OK, so the big question obviously is how much better a post-surgery Cam can be for us? EVERYONE says he's moving better in general now that the hip is fixed, and where it has been noticed most is defensively. He tried hard last season but truth is he looked like he was on skates --- so his improved defensive footwork has been noticed. Check. That being said, the lingering issue is offensive consistency. Being brutally honest, Cam flat shot us outta some games last season. Ideally the heathy hip will lead to better footwork there as well... however from what I'm told he has still been streaky. Hopefully by season start the shot will get more consistent as he adjusts.

More recent chatter:
- "KW has been the best player on the team in practice". Me likey. And more than one alum has been on Kenny this summer to take a more assertive role, incl Reggie, and especially Justin. Buckets was in CH much of the summer taking classes trying to finish his degree (good for him), and has been in Kenny's ear a lot. Apparently it's showing in that he's also become the most vocal leader on the team. I have a feeling that KW's habit of disappearing for stretches is a thing of the past. Don't be surprised if we have another All-ACC performer on our hands.

- "Luke is Luke". We know what we're gonna get from our boy. Luke leads by example (so KW's new vocal assertiveness is very welcome), and as we know Luke is on all the pre-season lists. Being realistic though, don't expect him to soar to some new heights. We don't need him to --- Luke is Luke --- we need other guys to step up around him.

- Forgot to ask about BRob's injury (sorry). That being said, it shows how suddenly depth can become an issue. Andrew, who's really a Combo Guard, had to play the 3 at Late Night for example. Now yeah, in a game situation KW sometimes slides to the 3, but still...
and speaking of 3s, there are some folks (myself included) who are wondering why Leaky isn't getting more reps there. Jes sayin...

- Speaking of AP, nothing but positives, but one in particular stood out (and it totally jibes with what I saw on the extended Bahamas footage) --- "Platek plays the 1 from the 2", meaning he's often the one shepherding guys into position... or compensating for guys who aren't (which apparently has been happening a bit too often thus far). No surprise here --- he has the best sense of spacing and flow on the roster.

- Nas "gets out of control sometimes" but is fearless. As a result I'm told he has taken more than one hard fall in practices. So far, at least, nothing has been serious :oops:. He'll definitely bring a physicality from the 3/4 Hybrid we haven't seen in a while.

- Carrying over from the summer, Coby's attitude and willingness to learn continue to draw praise. Also his ability to be dynamic. That being said... the caveat I'm told (which BTW, is also a common theme in the stuff I've read) is that his best moments tend to come "off the ball", when his driving ability and shooting can come in rhythm. These skills just haven't shown out quite so readily when he's playing Point. What you saw at Late Night was case in point for the intel that he too often defaults to out-of-rhythm 3s or ill-advised drives. Honestly, that shouldn't be a surprise: PGs in our system hafta create their own rhythm, as well as that for others, and one of the biggest instinctual challenges is knowing "when" --- when to take, when to pull up, when to swing it, when to give it up to get it back, when to move the defense, etc etc etc.

- On the PG note, 7th is healthy, and has been less prone to the big mistakes than before. Unfortunately spacing continues to befuddle him and with instinct being the ongoing issue, he still has to think through his movements. And again no surprise, many of his best moments come off the ball. He's pretty danged good at catch-and-drive, and gotten adept at catch-and-shoot inside the arc. Bless his heart, 7th is working hard to accept the challenge, but in the end, well, the limitations are what they are.

- Again, some won't like this but I'm not gonna sugar-coat the PG issue, because trust me, the intel I've received certainly hasn't. On that note (and some of this goes back into the summer) there has been chatter about "work-arounds". The most obvious of course is more set plays (something we went to almost as a default for 7th previously), but the most intriguing are new/special options off the Secondary. One example that they were actually running some in pick-up involves 7th curling off a baseline screen from Luke for a mid-range jumper (which he has become increasingly reliable at). Others involve creating more immediate looks for our formidable cadre of perimeter bombers, simultaneously minimizing the decision-making pressure on the Point. I will be interested to see how that unfolds early on... it will likely be crucial.

That's all for now. Roy has talent out there but definitely a "different" coaching job ahead of him (as one pro put it) this season. Won't be long til we start to see how it plays out...:cool:
Great post. Thank you for sharing
 
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Interesting synopsis Gary.

Regarding Brooks: I had opportunities to watch some pick up this past summer, and spoke at length with several of my buddies who are still
returning for pick up, summer classes, returning back home, etc., Garrison is making above normal strides for a big that certainly has a few limitations.

His limitations are not physical ones, as he has the size and is improving his strength, and is developing an offensive arsenal. If he can improve his mental approach, ( meaning in his case, IQ & aggressiveness ) he will be a major contributor for the team. Hopefully, he will.

What all of us need to keep in mind, is that our bigs are just 1 year removed from High School, and while they may look college ready, they are not there....yet. As a matter of fact, the majority of post players coming into any program and making a big splash, is far and in between, when you look at all programs in the collegiate landscape.

That's due to not being college ready. By this, I mean that the IQ (knowledge & strength conditioning) and offensive and defensive aspects of their game are usually lacking, and have to be taught. Brooks may never be a consistent starter for the program, but is, and going forth, will be a viable and important player if he gets and stays mean.

Got to watch 2 pick up games that included most of the returning players and the newbies.

If B Rob can carry over his shooting in PU to actual games, he could be a real problem for opposing teams. Be interesting to watch and see. The kid plays pretty good defense.

Naz is what I refer to as a generational player. The kid is really a fine player. He will learn to slow down eventually. He has all the tools, he will need to play under control just a bit better. Saw some awesome displays of offense from the kid, and don't believe I would want to guard him, if I were the opposing defender. He can be a force defensively, he seems to like playing defense.

Platek is a player that reminds you a little of Steve Hale. The kid can shoot and will get after you on defense. His problem is quickness, however, I love this guys play. He only knows one way to play the game...all out.

Kenny is the cornerstone of the team, leads by example and saw him on several occasions pull the new guys aside and speak with them about defensive positioning , and offensive rotations. We know what we have with him.

I agree with you wholeheartedly about Luke. He is what he is, and will be what he will be.

Coby is some kind of a scorer. From just about everywhere. He's going to have the typical progression of a Freshman, so get ready for it. The good Coby will show much more than the bad Coby.

Seventh, I think, will show why he was recruited so hard by Coach Williams. He says he's healthy, and it looked like it when I saw him, just be patient regarding his play. After all, he has not had that much court time.

Walker Miller: Believe it or not, I think he will be a player down the road for us. He has some skills. Needs weight, and he needs to stay in the weight room as much as possible to improve strength.

Manley will be more productive this year. He has a year of experience, has put on some good muscle, and is developing an offensive arsenal.

Looks much the same as your post Gary. Enjoyed that.
Thanks, and great points, 75!
I want to revisit a couple since you brought them up:

First, BRob. I'd heard he has missed some practice activity but (doh!) I forgot to ask what was up. Anyway though, I had previously heard he was showing flashes of brilliance in pick-up. I'll tell ya, I saw him in HS down here get on rolls and just light people up --- I think it's in him to be a college scorer. And yeah, he is willing to D-up --- problem thus far has been foul-proneness. I'm hoping he learns to "beat people to the spot" with better footwork. He'll get bullied some physically but he's tough.

Second, Walker. Didn't mention it but yeah, I've heard good things --- that he is stronger, and of course he has good hand-eye. I believe he needs to develop at least some semblance of vertical to be effective but I've always thought he might be an upperclassmen contributor.

Third, Coby. The "good Coby, bad Coby" thing you mentioned is spot on. And I can't really bang on him because he's doing both with good intent, IYKWIM. Again what I heard was zero surprise because many of the "bad Coby" moments are a direct result of playing what is in reality a foreign position for him. In fact, my best pro source said, "man, coby can score... if there was an opening for a starting 2 he could step right in". So yeah, he'll have to battle a big learning curve as a frosh if he spends most of his time at Point.

Finally, Platek. I feel ya with the Steve Hale comparison (particularly in basketball IQ), but Andrew (or anybody) would be awfully hard-pressed to match Steve's defensive chops (as I'm sure you know). That being said, I see Andrew as more smoothly athletic --- like Bobby Frasor with a better stroke. Either way we're fortunate to have him.
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I was there sitting in section 118 seventh team was going away from me as I was caddy cornered to a basket. I will add to Gary when seventh moved off the ball you saw his explosiveness. He had a dunk on a nice bounce pass, he also had a very nice crossover for a layup. He ran the offense and I didn't notice spacing issues. I noticed that he didn't exactly put the ball where his teammates could take advantage of a mismatch. The passes looked to be good passes but a lot of scoring his how the pass hits your hands.
 
Is there any chance Shea Rush becomes more of a contributor this year?
Shea was one of those guys I hoped would be an upperclassman contributor --- he's got some raw athleticism, but unfortunately a bit too raw. My answer is "maybe but doubtful". He's still at a point where he might be good for a couple of minutes if we're in foul/injury trouble. Maybe more by next season...
 
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So basically, what I should expect this year is for us to not have an elite PG but a bunch of 2s trying to play the 1?
 
I was there sitting in section 118 seventh team was going away from me as I was caddy cornered to a basket. I will add to Gary when seventh moved off the ball you saw his explosiveness. He had a dunk on a nice bounce pass, he also had a very nice crossover for a layup. He ran the offense and I didn't notice spacing issues. I noticed that he didn't exactly put the ball where his teammates could take advantage of a mismatch. The passes looked to be good passes but a lot of scoring his how the pass hits your hands.
Yeah raider, I was hoping you noticed that, brother ;). I sorta chuckled because no sooner than Smith comes in with him and 7th moves over to the 2, boom!... 7th was back in his element -- catching and exploding.

And yeah, it's a subtle but vital difference between a pass and putting it the shooting "pocket" and/or anticipating the drive off the catch. Those things seem to come naturally to guys like JB, Ray, et al, but not so much for most.
 
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So basically, what I should expect this year is for us to not have an elite PG but a bunch of 2s trying to play the 1?

Not at all. By10-12 games into the season, PG roll will be established. If their progression goes as anticipated, could be one of the strengths of this team.
 
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Not at all. By10-12 games into the season, PG roll will be established. If their progression goes as anticipated, could be one the strengths of this team.
I will only comment on that to the extent I believe that may be a tad optimistic. I hope it works out that way... but realistically I'm thinking that success this season will very likely coincide with success of the "work-arounds"...
 
I will only comment on that to the extent I believe that may be a tad optimistic. I hope it works out that way... but realistically I'm thinking that success this season will very likely coincide with success of the "work-arounds"...
Yeah from thebscrmage Coby is a scorer not a floor general
 
Thanks, and great points, 75!
I want to revisit a couple since you brought them up:

First, BRob. I'd heard he has missed some practice activity but (doh!) I forgot to ask what was up. Anyway though, I had previously heard he was showing flashes of brilliance in pick-up. I'll tell ya, I saw him in HS down here get on rolls and just light people up --- I think it's in him to be a college scorer. And yeah, he is willing to D-up --- problem thus far has been foul-proneness. I'm hoping he learns to "beat people to the spot" with better footwork. He'll get bullied some physically but he's tough.

Second, Walker. Didn't mention it but yeah, I've heard good things --- that he is stronger, and of course he has good hand-eye. I believe he needs to develop at least some semblance of vertical to be effective but I've always thought he might be an upperclassmen contributor.

Third, Coby. The "good Coby, bad Coby" thing you mentioned is spot on. And I can't really bang on him because he's doing both with good intent, IYKWIM. Again what I heard was zero surprise because many of the "bad Coby" moments are a direct result of playing what is in reality a foreign position for him. In fact, my best pro source said, "man, coby can score... if there was an opening for a starting 2 he could step right in". So yeah, he'll have to battle a big learning curve as a frosh if he spends most of his time at Point.

Finally, Platek. I feel ya with the Steve Hale comparison (particularly in basketball IQ), but Andrew (or anybody) would be awfully hard-pressed to match Steve's defensive chops (as I'm sure you know). That being said, I see Andrew as more smoothly athletic --- like Bobby Frasor with a better stroke. Either way we're fortunate to have him.
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Yeah, give BRob a Cheerwine drink and stick him out in the sun, we cou;ld use him as a thermometer. Most of his fouls occur when his man has him on his hip, and being so slight, he winds up fouling his man in an effort to keep them from scoring.

Yep, even at my old age, my vertical is better than Walkers!

Not quite with ya re: Platek vs. Frasor. While Hale is not the perfect comparison, he does remind me of Steve with his defensive effort and shooting touch. You say Tomato- I say Tomato, I think were both right.
 
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It’s a freakin shame that this fan base won’t get to see a Felton/Williams and Felton/White backcourt this year. That could have been dynamic and set this team up to be special.
 
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I will only comment on that to the extent I believe that may be a tad optimistic. I hope it works out that way... but realistically I'm thinking that success this season will very likely coincide with success of the "work-arounds"...

Basing my optimism on what I have seen and what I know will take place in practices from now until we play our 1st meaningful game.

Hey, I understand the doubts, I would be doubtful too. It's just that I have some intel that I feel allows me to be more than optimistic about PG.
 
It’s a freakin shame that this fan base won’t get to see a Felton/Williams and Felton/White backcourt this year. That could have been dynamic and set this team up to be special.

Be thankful-that's all I will say on this subject, and no, it would not have been dynamic.
 
Well said, @Tarheel75, we certainly have a lot to be thankful for when it comes to the Tar Heels. We are not involved in the FBI investigation, we once again have strong leadership, and a solid freshmen class joining the team this year. Are the Heels perfect right now, probably not. And I'm okay with that, because every team has weaknesses. I'm confident that this team will be much improved by March.
 
Well said, @Tarheel75, we certainly have a lot to be thankful for when it comes to the Tar Heels. We are not involved in the FBI investigation, we once again have strong leadership, and a solid freshmen class joining the team this year. Are the Heels perfect right now, probably not. And I'm okay with that, because every team has weaknesses. I'm confident that this team will be much improved by March.

Amen to all that.
 
Great summary.

Regretfully, Joel Berry is not walking through that door. The Heels could use another year from him.

If the Heels are going to "make" the Final Four, Coby will be running the point for the most minutes. Late Night was Coby's worst practice thus far. I'm discounting that just like everyone is discounting Luke's poor showing at Late Night
 
Sigh yet again let me explain that there was is more to the Felton story thameets the eye... Now back to current team intel

Yes there is, and that's why I will not discuss the young man as it forces anyone who knows the situation to disparage the kid, and I will not participate.

I like your closing statement in your post " let us focus now on THIS YEARS team ''.
 
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Great summary.

Regretfully, Joel Berry is not walking through that door. The Heels could use another year from him.

If the Heels are going to "make" the Final Four, Coby will be running the point for the most minutes. Late Night was Coby's worst practice thus far. I'm discounting that just like everyone is discounting Luke's poor showing at Late Night

Discounting late night performances is very likely best when you get the idea in your head that this is how we will perform the rest of the year or anywhere near it. While we have a good mix of upperclassmen to go along with our 2nd yr. players and the new guys, we strip out the seniors and you find that we are still quite young.

This weekends scrimmage with Villanova will help the staff see exactly where we are as a team. I tried my best to get on that trip, but to no avail. I just don't have any pull...none, zilch, nada. I was told that I'm fortunate that anyone will acknowledge me at all. Bastards.

I will be able to glean a few nuggets though. I have a promise, in an e-mail no less.
 
This weekends scrimmage with Villanova will help the staff see exactly where we are as a team. I tried my best to get on that trip, but to no avail. I just don't have any pull...none, zilch, nada. I was told that I'm fortunate that anyone will acknowledge me at all. Bastards.

I will be able to glean a few nuggets though. I have a promise, in an e-mail no less.
Yep. Will be waiting on a text over here.
 
Great summary.

Regretfully, Joel Berry is not walking through that door. The Heels could use another year from him.

If the Heels are going to "make" the Final Four, Coby will be running the point for the most minutes. Late Night was Coby's worst practice thus far. I'm discounting that just like everyone is discounting Luke's poor showing at Late Night
On one hand, I think this is maybe not gonna be a good year for us.

On the other hand, I think the showing last year at LNWR was poorer scoring and sloppiness wise, so I think I might be overreacting.
 
This team will have it's share of ups and downs. It will lose some games it probably shouldn't, especially early on as Roy experiments and tries to find his most effective lineups; and it will win some games it is not favored to win. Such is the roller coaster that college basketball resembles most years.

But I tell you what, it's going to be one hell of an exciting ride! One that the dismal football season makes me wish was starting tomorrow.
 
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