ACC bowls

[WoadBlue]

Louisville is about to finish off Cincinnati in The Fenway Bowl. The Cards lead 24-7 with a minute and half left.

Bobby Petrino screwed over Louisville has final 2 years in almost not recruiting at all. It looked very much like he wanted to get fired and collect his buyout. Satterfield has rebuilt the talent level, not to the best in Louisville's history, much less to Clemson or FSU or even UNC levels. But Jeff Brohm will get a team with solid talent. And Brohm now, with his BT West title, should be able to recruit OH, IN, and IL very well.

Unlike Brohm, Satterfield is no beloved home town son returning home, and so he will begin to lose the Cincy fan base much quicker than Brohm will loose the Louisville fan base. Satterfield is going to be compared directly the Fickell, the best coach in Cincy history, while Brohm will be compared directly to Satterfield, who had to rebuild a team that Petrino left totally demoralized and lacking in ACC level talent.

I'd like to see these two very old rivals playing each other annually as an ACC game.

 

[TVJ]

Louisville is about to finish off Cincinnati in The Fenway Bowl. The Cards lead 24-7 with a minute and half left.

I can't help but wonder how Satterfield is feeling about that.

 

[WoadBlue]

Louisville is about to finish off Cincinnati in The Fenway Bowl. The Cards lead 24-7 with a minute and half left.

I can't help but wonder how Satterfield is feeling about that.

Who knows. He may wonder how much talent Fickle left. He should know that he had done a lot to restore Louisville's talent ;even but that much of it was young this past season.

But a game with 2 interim HCs? Its outcome could mean nothing about 2023. For Satterfield the keys are: will the returning Bearcats respond well to the new staff and how ell can Satterfield recruit in OH and adjacent areas? Satterfield is a blue collar type coach, and that is what the Cincy program is. In that sense, he is a perfect fit.

I would expect that almost all Cards returnees will be pleased with Brohm simply because this is a coup for that program to get a Home Town Hero back after he just reached the BT title game. But will the delight mean a slow start to getting down to work?

 

[WoadBlue]

A battle between 2 black and gold teams: Missouri and Wake. Mizzou is a very large state flagship and land grant, and Wake has been the smallest school in a Major conference since the SWC disbanded, taking Rice down with it. Mezzo HC Eli Drinkwitz knows Wake well, having been OC for Moo and HC for App St.

 

[sctarheel30]

Way to go wake

 

[sctarheel30]

Not sure where to put this and didn’t want to create a new thread. It appears Sam Hartman is transferring for his 12th year of eligibility.

 

[ChrisMPA]

Everybody’s saying he’s going to Norte dame. Do we play them again next year?

 

[midline]

Clemson should have a layup. UTs QB is hurt. Two top wideouts opted out. And had two of their best defensive players opt out of an already weak defense. Clemson has has a couple not playing but their talent level is superior anyway.

 

[NBBears20124ACHAMPS]

Everybody’s saying he’s going to Norte dame. Do we play them again next year?

No.

 

[WoadBlue]

Not sure where to put this and didn’t want to create a new thread. It appears Sam Hartman is transferring for his 12th year of eligibility.

Surely its only his 10th.

 

[WoadBlue]

Way to go wake

Clawson is the real deal. Wake has had a few decent runs in the past, say with Peahead Walker, Bill Dooley, and Jim Grobe. But Clawson is the best Wake coach ever.

Is he now wondering if he could make that magic at a school that could have a higher ceiling? Or is he happy remaining at Wake where he has been to its ceiling?

 

[tarheel0910]

Clawson is the real deal. Wake has had a few decent runs in the past, say with Peahead Walker, Bill Dooley, and Jim Grobe. But Clawson is the best Wake coach ever.

Is he now wondering if he could make that magic at a school that could have a higher ceiling? Or is he happy remaining at Wake where he has been to its ceiling?

The real deal has only had one season where he had a winning record in the ACC, with his overall conference record at 29-42. He's won more than eight games only once. He has to actually find someone who wants him before he can decide if he wants to stay at WF.

ETA: And guess what his problem is, it's crappy defenses.

 

[WoadBlue]

The real deal has only had one season where he had a winning record in the ACC, with his overall conference record at 29-42. He's won more than eight games only once. He has to actually find someone who wants him before he can decide if he wants to stay at WF.

ETA: And guess what his problem is, it's crappy defenses.

Isn't that the history of the smallest school in major conference? Drawing talent, especially depth of talent, to a school like Wake is a far cry from drawing it to UNC, much less to FSU or Clemson.

How do you compare the Wake D to the UNC D? The UNC D on paper should be much better, but is it?

 

[tarheel0910]

Isn't that the history of the smallest school in major conference? Drawing talent, especially depth of talent, to a school like Wake is a far cry from drawing it to UNC, much less to FSU or Clemson.

How do you compare the Wake D to the UNC D? The UNC D on paper should be much better, but is it?

Yes, that's the history, which means he is just one in a long line of keeping WF somewhere around below average to average. How is someone who can't do better than anyone else "the real deal?" The real deal would be someone who raises a program, not someone who does no better than anyone else. And I wasn't trying to compare them to UNC's deal. I mentioned it because the "real deal" would have at least an average defense, but he doesn't.

 

[WoadBlue]

Yes, that's the history, which means he is just one in a long line of keeping WF somewhere around below average to average. How is someone who can't do better than anyone else "the real deal?" The real deal would be someone who raises a program, not someone who does no better than anyone else. And I wasn't trying to compare them to UNC's deal. I mentioned it because the "real deal" would have at least an average defense, but he doesn't.

He is the best coach in Wake history. That is his first comparison. The next comparison is to coaches at similar schools: Dook, Vandy, Northwestern. How many coaches at those places can you name who in the past 50 years achieved more than Clawson has at Wake?

The issue for ADs elsewhere is: Can Clawson repeat that success at another school that has a higher ceiling, which means that more shroud be expected.

 

[WoadBlue]

Dook is finishing off UCF in the Military Bowl. Dook will be 9-4, after 0 ACC wins in 2021.

Elko, a Clawson protege, is poised to make Dook a thorn in the side of a number of ACC teams.

 

[tarheel0910]

He is the best coach in Wake history. That is his first comparison. The next comparison is to coaches at similar schools: Dook, Vandy, Northwestern. How many coaches at those places can you name who in the past 50 years achieved more than Clawson has at Wake?

The issue for ADs elsewhere is: Can Clawson repeat that success at another school that has a higher ceiling, which means that more shroud be expected.

What success has he achieved? He's had one good season. The rest of his seasons have been either average or bad. An AD looks for someone who has elevated a program to new heights, not one that runs a mediocre program. Having only one winning season in the ACC is pretty bad.

 

[WoadBlue]

What success has he achieved? He's had one good season. The rest of his seasons have been either average or bad. An AD looks for someone who has elevated a program to new heights, not one that runs a mediocre program. Having only one winning season in the ACC is pretty bad.

So for Wake, you define a 'good' season as at least 11 wins and a division title? A good season for Wake cannot be the same as a good season for FSU or Clemson or Bama. Or even UNC, which is a state flagship and so has many advantages over Wake.

Clawson has taken teeny tiny Wake to 7 consecutive bowls. Are you under the impression that almost all Wake coaches have such a record? Are you aware that Mack did not achieve that in his first time as UNC coach?

 

[tarheel0910]

So for Wake, you define a 'good' season as at least 11 wins and a division title? A good season for Wake cannot be the same as a good season for FSU or Clemson or Bama. Or even UNC, which is a state flagship and so has many advantages over Wake.

Clawson has taken teeny tiny Wake to 7 consecutive bowls. Are you under the impression that almost all Wake coaches have such a record? Are you aware that Mack did not achieve that in his first time as UNC coach?

You said he was the "real deal." I define that as someone who does better than they should. Not someone who keeps the status quo. Again, he's only had one winning season in the ACC. That's extremely bad for any coach that has been at any school in the conference for the amount of time he's been there. At least Grobe won the ACC.

 

[NBBears20124ACHAMPS]

So for Wake, you define a 'good' season as at least 11 wins and a division title? A good season for Wake cannot be the same as a good season for FSU or Clemson or Bama. Or even UNC, which is a state flagship and so has many advantages over Wake.

Clawson has taken teeny tiny Wake to 7 consecutive bowls. Are you under the impression that almost all Wake coaches have such a record? Are you aware that Mack did not achieve that in his first time as UNC coach?

Wake Forest indeed went to a bowl game in 2020, but had a losing record. Mack didn't get to go to a bowl games with 4 wins. In fact, Mack had 7 wins in 91 and no bowl. Grobe had two 9+ win seasons as WF HC, something Clawson has not yet done. Mack had 6+ straight bowl seasons before leaving for Texas.

 

[tarheel0910]

Wake Forest indeed went to a bowl game in 2020, but had a losing record. Mack didn't get to go to a bowl games with 4 wins. In fact, Mack had 7 wins in 91 and no bowl. Grobe had two 9+ win seasons as WF HC, something Clawson has not yet done. Mack had 6+ straight bowl seasons before leaving for Texas.

But none of them were the real deal like Clawson

 

[2DDIMOND]

He is the best coach in Wake history. That is his first comparison. The next comparison is to coaches at similar schools: Dook, Vandy, Northwestern. How many coaches at those places can you name who in the past 50 years achieved more than Clawson has at Wake?

The issue for ADs elsewhere is: Can Clawson repeat that success at another school that has a higher ceiling, which means that more shroud be expected.

Jim Grobe is the best coach in WFU history.

 

[sctarheel30]

First ACC loss goes to the Heels

 

[WoadBlue]

Syracuse down 0-7 to Minnesota in The Pinstripe Bowl, early in the 2nd.

 

[WoadBlue]

Syracuse lost to Minnesota 28-20. Another bowl loss for the ACC to a P5 team.

But FSU just beat OU 35-32. Of course, OU is one of the biggest names in CFB, but also true is that at 6-6 this is worst OU team in many years, back to John Blake as HC in the previous century.

10-3 FSU, also with a big OOC win over LSU, clearly is the 2nd best team in the ACC.

 

[sctarheel30]

Let’s go terps!!

 

[WoadBlue]

Let’s go terps!!

They are about to finish off the Wufs in a defensive slugfest.

 

[WoadBlue]

Pitt has just kicked a 3 to take a 6 point lead over UCLA. So Pitt has made the same decision that Mack made: late in game, kick to go up 6 rather than go on 4th down hoping to get the knock out TD.

 

[WoadBlue]

The difference between UNC and Pitt? Pitt has a very tough DL, and Pitt just drilled the QB as he was passing on 4th and 9. Pitt ball.

 

[NBBears20124ACHAMPS]

The difference between UNC and Pitt? Pitt has a very tough DL, and Pitt just drilled the QB as he was passing on 4th and 9. Pitt ball.

Another difference is 18 points, which is what UNC beat them by earlier this season. Are they really that tough? Giving up over 5 yards per carry on 28 rushes including 10 yards per carry to the leading back for UCLA.

 

[WoadBlue]

Pitt couldn't get 1st down and now UCLA back up QB has led Bruins to a TD.

 

[WoadBlue]

Looks like another ACC bowl loss to a P5 team.

 

[WoadBlue]

Well, Pitt has 20 seconds and is now across its FG line.

Pitt hits FG with 4 seconds left.

 

[NBBears20124ACHAMPS]

Looks like another ACC bowl loss to a P5 team.

Wrong, yet again.

 

[WoadBlue]

Wrong, yet again.

Haven't you figured out that Pitt winning a bowl with its back up QB playing the entire game and finishing 9-4, while Mack oversaw 4 consecutive losses to close the season is not a good look for Mack?

 

[NBBears20124ACHAMPS]

Haven't you figured out that Pitt winning a bowl with its back up QB playing the entire game and finishing 9-4, while Mack oversaw 4 consecutive losses to close the season is not a good look for Mack?

When will you figure out that what you just said had nothing to do with your previous statement when you incorrectly said another ACC team lost. Pitt losing to an old coach that just employs his besties on an average football team, is not a good look for Pitt, IMO.

 

[WoadBlue]

Partial member Notre Dame is losing to SoCar 31-24 with 6 left in the 3rd.

 

[WoadBlue]

When will you figure out that what you just said had nothing to do with your previous statement when you incorrectly said another ACC team lost. Pitt losing to an old coach that just employs his besties on an average football team, is not a good look for Pitt, IMO.

I said it looks like another ACC bowl loss. Because it did - Pitt had a half minute, and somehow Pitt won because Pitt has a sound OL and a black up QBV determined to win his chance at playing. I already know your reading comprehension is low.

 

[WoadBlue]

When will you figure out that what you just said had nothing to do with your previous statement when you incorrectly said another ACC team lost. Pitt losing to an old coach that just employs his besties on an average football team, is not a good look for Pitt, IMO.

On paper, UNC has much more talent. UNC should have won that game. Our problem is that Mack cannot win per the talent he is able to assemble. Narduzzi actually slightly overachieves every year based on the talent he can get to play for Pitt.

 

[NBBears20124ACHAMPS]

I said it looks like another ACC bowl loss. Because it did - Pitt had a half minute, and somehow Pitt won because Pitt has a sound OL and a black up QBV determined to win his chance at playing. I already know your reading comprehension is low.

Reading comprehension is actually really good. But I know you're embarrassed on yet another bad take.