Adding a SF

[DaveChapelle]

The bench was ineffective because they were mismanaged and never effectively developed. Watch any Roy season and you’ll learn how your bench is developed. You take lumps early in the season and it pays dividends late in the season. Our bench usage was inconsistent, sporadic and demoralizing to the players.

Roy would have had a full compliment of rebounding bigs to offensive rebound all the bricks that Puff, Trimble, Styles, Nickel, McKoy, Nance, Leaky, and Love were throwing up.

But I doubt even Roy would have been able to improve the shooting of our bench.

 

[gauchoheel]

Roy would have had a full compliment of rebounding bigs to offensive rebound all the bricks that Puff, Trimble, Styles, Nickel, McKoy, Nance, Leaky, and Love were throwing up.

But I doubt even Roy would have been able to improve the shooting of our bench.

Which is why we're going to be adding another wing! (bringing it back to the OP )

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I agree that Hubs spoke glowingly about his players, including those he stuck to the bench. I maintain this is more about not calling them out or embarrassing them in public than it is an accurate assessment of what they displayed in practice. I know he was addressing the issues he saw in practice and I witnessed his habit of not airing dirty laundry outside the locker room! It is clear that he, like every coach in history, has to grow into the job. I do not want him to change this aspect of his personality because it is one of the reasons he is such a great recruiter! You just can't fake his genuine concern for his players!

 

[ChiShankCity]

The bench was ineffective because they were mismanaged and never effectively developed. Watch any Roy season and you’ll learn how your bench is developed. You take lumps early in the season and it pays dividends late in the season. Our bench usage was inconsistent, sporadic and demoralizing to the players.

Roy also had some exceptional talent on the bench.

09 - had Ed Davis and would've had Tyler Zeller playing big minutes and those were 2 consensus 5* guys that would've started on 70% of the teams in the country as freshman.
10 - We weren't any good, but Henson got bench minutes and developed into a star, but was a consensus top 10 guy coming in
11 - Reggie Bullock was a 5*/top 15 recruit
12 - PJ Hairston and McAdoo were 5* recruits
13 - Brice wasn't a 5* but it was pretty apparent right away that he was extremely gifted offensively
14 - Isiah certainly developed over time, but he was a 5* talent coming in. Meeks is a guy who legit developed for four years.
15 - Berry and Pinson were 5* guys coming in

Is that realistic in today's transfer era to bring in 5* guys willing to sit on the bench and develop over 3/4 years? I don't know. But I do think it's unfair to compare Tyler Nickel not getting any minutes and Roy being willing to go through growing pains with Ed Davis, PJ Hairston, or Theo Pinson.

That isn't to say Hubert was flawless in how he handled the rotation last year. You obviously can't play dudes 35+ minutes every game without it costing you eventually. But I do think he had his hands tied last year with a roster that wasn't all that good, wasn't all that skilled.

 

[heels05champs]

Roy also had some exceptional talent on the bench.

09 - had Ed Davis and would've had Tyler Zeller playing big minutes and those were 2 consensus 5* guys that would've started on 70% of the teams in the country as freshman.
10 - We weren't any good, but Henson got bench minutes and developed into a star, but was a consensus top 10 guy coming in
11 - Reggie Bullock was a 5*/top 15 recruit
12 - PJ Hairston and McAdoo were 5* recruits
13 - Brice wasn't a 5* but it was pretty apparent right away that he was extremely gifted offensively
14 - Isiah certainly developed over time, but he was a 5* talent coming in. Meeks is a guy who legit developed for four years.
15 - Berry and Pinson were 5* guys coming in

Is that realistic in today's transfer era to bring in 5* guys willing to sit on the bench and develop over 3/4 years? I don't know. But I do think it's unfair to compare Tyler Nickel not getting any minutes and Roy being willing to go through growing pains with Ed Davis, PJ Hairston, or Theo Pinson.

That isn't to say Hubert was flawless in how he handled the rotation last year. You obviously can't play dudes 35+ minutes every game without it costing you eventually. But I do think he had his hands tied last year with a roster that wasn't all that good, wasn't all that skilled.

You conveniently left out the lower rated recruits that Roy developed from the bench.

Joel James, Byron Sanders, Reyshawn Terry, David Noel, Wes Miller, Mike Copeland and the list goes on and on with many of these guys being ranked lower than what Puff and Nickel were but yet were given court time and improved each year.

 

[ChiShankCity]

You conveniently left out the lower rated recruits that Roy developed from the bench.

Joel James, Byron Sanders, Reyshawn Terry, David Noel, Wes Miller, Mike Copeland and the list goes on and on with many of these guys being ranked lower than what Puff and Nickel were but yet were given court time and improved each year.

I didn't conveniently do anything. I just said Roy had some elite talent off the bench in an era where you probably could have elite talent coming off the bench. So to compare apples to apples is unfair.

Also, it isn't entirely the case that Roy just played all these guys.
- Reyshawn Terry played 4 minutes/game his first two years
- Joel James didn't improve. He honestly probably shouldn't have played in the first place.
- Mike Copeland played a range of 2-4 minutes in his four years.
- Byron Sanders' minutes went: 15 (under Doherty), 4, 3, 12. So he got bench minutes as a freshman under Doherty.
- Noel got big minutes too under Doherty as a freshman.

 

[gauchoheel]

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According to this person and a few other sources we're back channeling with a few guys not yet in the portal (or in but doing NBA workouts). Looking to add someone pretty high level.

I can't help it guys -- I'm getting pretty excited about this roster again even after the disappointment of last season and 2019-20. Lol

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Cadeau + ??? Only 2 spots left IIRC!

Hubs will have a real challenge keeping the peace and establishing the kind of chemistry that gets to the FF if too many peeps join. BUT it would be an interesting problem to have!

 

[trimbornunc86]

Any more info on what Ian Jackson is looking to do? I know it sounds like Cadeau is a strong lean to re class. Got one open spot after that.

 

[tarheels0015]

Holland ??